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God Rays Poll

MeioJoMeioJo Posts: 167
edited May 2016 in General
I'm told it's like vaseline on the screen but I have not seen this at all.

Reading all these comments something dawned on me. I use to be in a car pool and when it was my turn to drive if it was raining mildly I did not leave my wipers on but would manually use them when I thought it was necessary. This drove one fellow in the car pool almost insane as he could not look past the rain drops to see the outside world. For me it was no problem.

I have no idea what percentage of society can or can not see thru a drop covered windshield.

God Rays Poll 42 votes

Rain drops on my windshield are a problem for me.
28%
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I can see past rain drops on my windshield no problem.
71%
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Comments

  • jonjon Posts: 297
    Nexus 6
    I can see past rain drops on my windshield no problem.
    I suspect a poll querying who stopped noticing SDE in the DK2 after a time would have a higher correlation to not being bothered by godrays in the CV1.
  • MeioJoMeioJo Posts: 167
    edited May 2016
    It also dawns on me that people might think that drops don't bother them while not realizing how much more tolerant others can actually be.

    The fellow I mentioned actually grabbed my wiper controller and turned the wipers on and I had to tell him to not touch my controls while I drove. He actually told me I was being a hazard and could not see the road...

    I had to remind him I was driving just fine and could see the whole road clearly.. He said I could not and I had to point out how I was not crashing.. he was very upset but could not deny that I was not crashing. He had to close his eyes while I drove.
  • BrianKrBrianKr Posts: 20
    NerveGear
    I can see past rain drops on my windshield no problem.
    I honest don't think godrays are a very big issue.
  • deanogurdeanogur Posts: 456
    Nexus 6
    I can see past rain drops on my windshield no problem.
    MeioJo said:
    It also dawns on me that people might think that drops don't bother them while not realizing how much more tolerant others can actually be.

    The fellow I mentioned actually grabbed my wiper controller and turned the wipers on and I had to tell him to not touch my controls while I drove. He actually told me I was being a hazard and could not see the road...

    I had to remind him I was driving just fine and could see the whole road clearly.. He said I could not and I had to point out how I was not crashing.. he was very upset but could not deny that I was not crashing. He had to close his eyes while I drove.
    This almost sounds like my wife and I when I'm driving; I use RainX but, she hates it when I don't use the wipers.
  • MeioJoMeioJo Posts: 167
    edited May 2016
    @deanogur I use to use RainX until I realized that I can see past drops that stand still just fine.. then RainX became an unneeded expense :smile:

    It was RainX that taught me I could do that, as it wore off I could still see.
  • deanogurdeanogur Posts: 456
    Nexus 6
    I can see past rain drops on my windshield no problem.
    @MeioJo Yeah but, RainX does help shed the water faster, especially when there is more dirt and debris that hold the water. The speedy drops also make it look like I'm going much faster than I actually am. :)
  • CrashFuCrashFu Posts: 1,756 Valuable Player
    Is there enough correlation for this poll to make sense?    I have to use wipers in the rain, but God rays don't bother me.

    If anything, they just make lighting seem more realistic IMO.
    It's hard being the voice of reason when you're surrounded by unreasonable people.
  • TumorohTumoroh Posts: 18
    NerveGear
    I can see past rain drops on my windshield no problem.
    I don't think there is a correlation for this either to be honest.
    As to the godrays on the rift, they ONLY bother me when the vast majority of the screen is black and there is one or few bright objects.  The most obvious / frequent occurrence is title screens / loading screens.  This didn't happen for me on the DK2 so I assume it's an issue with their new lenses.  Once the majority of the screen is active however, I don't notice this at all.
  • MeioJoMeioJo Posts: 167
    edited May 2016
    CrashFu said:
    Is there enough correlation for this poll to make sense?    I have to use wipers in the rain, but God rays don't bother me.

    If anything, they just make lighting seem more realistic IMO.
    I personally don't see 'God Rays' irl but there also seems to be a bit of a disconnect as to what constitutes God Rays.

    Are God Rays vaseline on the screen or are they rays of light coming off of objects. I hope that you don't see the world as though you have vaseline on your eyes so I must assume you mean that you mean that in real life you see rays of light coming off of objects and this is real for you.

    I also do not see rays of light coming off of objects unless I am behind glass of some kind so even that would not be realistic for me.

    With the Rift in highly contrasted areas like menus I do see some blurring as the lenses are designed to do that and I would rather see a sharp image but the rez of the panels needed for that are not currently available.

    The blurring is very minor and localized to said menu but the thing I notice most are the pixels...

  • weasel47weasel47 Posts: 301
    Trinity
    I can see past rain drops on my windshield no problem.
    A corollary to the raindrops thing: I got very good at adjusting my focus to "see" stereograms / Magic Eye images. They were the next best thing to VR, back in the 90s :-D

    https://www.google.com/search?q=magic+eye&client=ms-android-verizon&source=lnms&prmd=ivsn&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj_6-agwvrMAhXDPz4KHf79CFUQ_AUIBygB&biw=360&bih=615
  • MeioJoMeioJo Posts: 167
    edited May 2016
    @weasel47 ; Yes that was the point.. good catch. I have been collecting and creating stereo images for years now and controlling your focus is a learned thing.. a thing that can be practiced by looking thru a window and focusing on the dirt on the window then past it, back and forth for a few minutes.

    I should have explained that as well i guess.
  • MeioJoMeioJo Posts: 167
    edited May 2016
    I just read a post where a person mentions that his face sweats with the Rift on.

    I wonder if this is the cause of the vaseline on the screen effect?

    My skin would be dry except for the fact that I make a point of eating things that keep it elastic ie. coconut oil, fish, vitamin e suppliants so I don't tend to sweat much beside my pits, back and chest in that order as I get hot.

    It makes sense that blurring would grow with moisture.
  • MeioJoMeioJo Posts: 167
    edited May 2016
    This is making more and more sense... if your face is sweating even a little over time moisture will get not only on the lenses but perhaps even onto the other side of the lenses.

    One fellow said he puts a fan on himself while he plays trying to stop his face from sweating.

    Combine that with people saying that the God Rays showed up after a few days and I think that it would be better to put a fan on the rift while not in use to dry up any moisture that build up while playing... perhaps even some sort of desiccate like they put into cloths so they don't mold.

  • MeioJoMeioJo Posts: 167
    edited May 2016
    Another note to all of this.. the face foam that is attached to the headset is loose on my headset...it stays in but it is not 'clicked' in.. was thinking about complaining but that might just be saving me from having moisture build up as it might be allowing air to get in to the rift while it is not in use as I have 2 ceiling fans constantly running where the rift is kept.

    I am constantly having to push the foam back into the head set when I pick it up.
  • VeraxusVeraxus Posts: 53
    Hiro Protagonist
    Rain drops on my windshield are a problem for me.
    The "vaseline effect" (as well as the "god rays") are the result of the fresnel lenses in the CV1. The DK1 & DK2 did not have these issues. What happens is that light refracts off the fresnel ridges in a circular pattern. Around the edges of the lens, it will look like "bloom", but for points of light shining into the lens (white text, the firefly in LOST, et al), you will see a conical ray pattern that matches the radial pattern of the lens. The fact that there two lenses and a stereoscopic image is what gives the conical refraction that 3D "god ray" effect.

    Aside from Oculus dumping the horrible fresnel lenses (which I suspect they chose to reduce the "screen door effect"), there is no way to solve this. A radial polarization filter over each lens might reduce it, but it would also dim the image like 3D movie glasses do.

    IMO, using fresnel lenses was a huge mistake. Having worked in the entertainment media industry for over a decade I can't not see it.
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  • DesmondJDesmondJ Posts: 4
    NerveGear
    Rain drops on my windshield are a problem for me.
    Veraxus said:
    using fresnel lenses was a huge mistake.
    I couldn't agree more.
    The lenses are BY FAR the biggest issue for me right now.
  • MeioJoMeioJo Posts: 167
    edited May 2016
    well perhaps moisture exasperates the problem?

    It is most certainly not a problem for me with moisture or God Rays.

    Here I show why I might not have a moisture buildup







    It's like a mild wind tunnel here.
  • BrunoVRBrunoVR Posts: 14
    NerveGear
    I can see past rain drops on my windshield no problem.
    I prefer SDE over god rays.  I'm debating selling my CV1 and going back to DK2.  I need to play more with the CV1 to make a good decision.
  • jonjon Posts: 297
    Nexus 6
    I can see past rain drops on my windshield no problem.
    Subsequent models could up the brightness to offset the loss from polarization, similar to NVIDIA's light boost.
  • weasel47weasel47 Posts: 301
    Trinity
    I can see past rain drops on my windshield no problem.
    @BrunoVR DK2 could lose support in Oculus Home eventually and probably won't work with Touch at all.
  • MeioJoMeioJo Posts: 167
    edited May 2016
    Is anyone elses facefoam part loose like that?
  • maxpare79maxpare79 Posts: 1,779
    Project 2501
    I can see past rain drops on my windshield no problem.
    When I got my Rift I was so scared of the God ray reports. When I finally received it, I actively looked for the God rays, sure they are there, but it'snot as bad as reports made it out to be. And after 2 months with my CV1, I think my brain has learned to ignore them altogether... I don't see the God rays anymore.
    I am a spacesim/flightsim/racesim enthusiast first :-) I7 4770k@4.3, 16gb RAM/ Asus 1080 Strix Former DK2 Owner/Gear VR owner/CV1
  • VeraxusVeraxus Posts: 53
    Hiro Protagonist
    Rain drops on my windshield are a problem for me.
    BrunoVR said:
    I prefer SDE over god rays.  I'm debating selling my CV1 and going back to DK2.  I need to play more with the CV1 to make a good decision.
    Ditto. SDE was just "texture" that you very quickly learn to ignore... even movie screens have texture. The fact that the texture is static allows your brain to quickly figure out how to tune it out.

    And btw, the CV1 still has texture in the image, it's just more fabric-like due to the fresnel lenses breaking up and blending the pixels. IMO this was a wildly unreasonable tradeoff. Solve one minor problem by creating another much worse problem... a problem that is constantly shifting and occasionally draws tremendous attention to itself like a bullhorn (e.g. the firefly in LOST).
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  • ChoronzonChoronzon Posts: 341
    Nexus 6
    Veraxus said:
    Ditto. SDE was just "texture" that you very quickly learn to ignore... even movie screens have texture. The fact that the texture is static allows your brain to quickly figure out how to tune it out.

    Don't think I agree with you there. Screendoor was something I very quickly realised I could not ignore - give me movie screen 'texture' any day, far better than that black mesh which wasn't just texture, or static. Rather, it's was like the elephant in the room as far as watching vids on DK2 was concerned. But I agree it's very frustrating that Oculus no sooner puts out one fire than another springs up.
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