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Any Console Gamers Having Trouble Going Back After VR?

KevinakiKevinaki Posts: 222
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I used to primarily play games on the PS4 and ever since I got the CV1, I found that I haven't touched the PS4 much since then. I didn't think this would happen since I love the PS4 but just haven't had that desire to go back. Maybe this will pass but it's a good thing that I can stream the PS4 to the PC and use with the Rift which is pretty cool especially in Big Screen where others can watch and socialize. 

Has anyone else felt this way? Are consoles doomed?
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  • JoseJose Posts: 888
    Trinity
    Not a console gamer. But a PC gamer, who thought I'd never go back to normal flat-screen games. I did eventually.
  • SadGamerDadSadGamerDad Posts: 327
    Trinity
    Jose said:
    Not a console gamer. But a PC gamer, who thought I'd never go back to normal flat-screen games. I did eventually.

    Same here, took me a few months but now I go back and forth between flat games and VR..   Gotta finish Mafia 2 before 3 comes out..
  • KevinakiKevinaki Posts: 222
    Nexus 6
    @Jose @SADGAMERSENPAI so I guess it doesn't feel right to play flat games in an app like Big Screen or Virtual Desktop or are there other factors? 
  • JoseJose Posts: 888
    Trinity
    Mostly lack of AAA quality games on any VR platform. Other times, I'm outside of the house and want to play a game real quick on my phone to pass the time. Or I wanna play emulated classic console games for nostalgia reasons. Sometimes I want to play competitive multiplayer action games, of which there are very few for VR. I've been a regular VR user since 2012.
  • GenetixStudioGenetixStudio Posts: 770
    3Jane
    I feel ya - I've hardly touched any flat games since getting my Rift. I wouldn't say consoles are doomed by any means, but for myself this is where it is at!
  • benplacebenplace Posts: 769
    Neo
    I have been playing the new WOW expansion and all I keep thinking is how cool this would be in my Rift...
  • mbze430mbze430 Posts: 567
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    kcampbell said:
    @Jose @SADGAMERSENPAI so I guess it doesn't feel right to play flat games in an app like Big Screen or Virtual Desktop or are there other factors? 
    I tried that once, but the frame rate was horrible, rather just take off the HMD and just look at the beautiful 4k screen
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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,613 Valuable Player
    The only console games I've truly enjoyed in the past 3+ years are the Walking Dead releases from TellTale games. I have no problem going back to those, but I guess it's cause they feel more like watching a TV series than anything else.

    VR has definitely made it almost impossible to play standard "flat" video games anymore, even on PC. Mobile gaming is completely dead to me now thanks to VR. But 360 film hasn't done much to pull me away from standard "flat" movie watching.
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  • KevinakiKevinaki Posts: 222
    Nexus 6
    mbze430 said:
    kcampbell said:
    @Jose @SADGAMERSENPAI so I guess it doesn't feel right to play flat games in an app like Big Screen or Virtual Desktop or are there other factors? 
    I tried that once, but the frame rate was horrible, rather just take off the HMD and just look at the beautiful 4k screen
    I can understand that. I don't have a 4k monitor or TV yet and so far have not have trouble streaming PS4 in Virtual Desktop or Big Screen. 
  • KevinakiKevinaki Posts: 222
    Nexus 6
    @snowdog good point. I plan to get the PS VR, maybe not right away though. I don't mind paying for the PS+ membership. I could save a lot of money with the membership if I wasn't one of those people that had to have a game when it first came out. At one point I had 5 unopened games that eventually became free with the membership so it's definitely worth it if life gets in the way of gaming.

    Exactly, I love Zelda but I won't be buying a system just for it.
  • KevinakiKevinaki Posts: 222
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    Zenbane said:
    The only console games I've truly enjoyed in the past 3+ years are the Walking Dead releases from TellTale games. I have no problem going back to those, but I guess it's cause they feel more like watching a TV series than anything else.

    VR has definitely made it almost impossible to play standard "flat" video games anymore, even on PC. Mobile gaming is completely dead to me now thanks to VR. But 360 film hasn't done much to pull me away from standard "flat" movie watching.
    I love the Walking Dead series and can't wait until the 3rd and hopefully not final season. I just know my decision branches better carry over because I played them through 3 times differently to get different results. One play through my decisions were all positive, the other all negative, and the 3rd play through was how I personally would make choices which ended up being somewhere in the middle. 

    Have you played Life is Strange?
  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 6,765 Valuable Player
    I have to admit that VR has put me of 2D games quite a bit, but at the same time there's not enough really good games in VR that keep me going back for more. For anyone who likes racing games VR is a dream come true. I was never interested in racing games though in 2D, so it's not my type of game. I had hoped CodeMatsers was going to do F1 2016 in VR, because that might of changed my opinion about racing games, but it doesn't look as though they are going to add VR which I find odd. I do like playing in DCS World though, it's probably the only game I keep going back to in VR atm. Flying different types of aircraft is super cool, but VR isn't ideal for flight Sims because the resolution of CV1 really shows up in flightsims. Still, it's a very good experience though and I can go back to 2D DCS World.
  • RorschachPhoenixRorschachPhoenix Posts: 1,594 Valuable Player
    Yeah, I kinda know what you're talking about. I've always watched 2D porn, but since VR porn is a real thing... you know?
    Excuse my bad english. I speak to you through the google translator. :P
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,613 Valuable Player
    kcampbell said:
    Have you played Life is Strange?
    No I haven't, but I just looked it up and it appears to be quite fantastic. It has a 10/10 rating from Steam, and the trailer kinda reminds me of "The Longest Journey." This is worth a purchase. Thanks for the heads up.
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  • falken76falken76 Posts: 2,879 Valuable Player
    I'll play any of them as long as the games are fun.
  • RonsonPLRonsonPL Posts: 1,115
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    First, people tend to raise their requirements when they have the opportunity to try out something much better than anything before.
    Here's where so many "you are complaining while you should be happy" misunderstandings come from.
    I can give you many examples:
    - going back to 30" after playing on 60"
    - going back from 120fps in online FPP shooters to 60
    - going back from stereoscopic 3D to 2D
    - going back to PS1 games after playing a lot on PS2 (or PS2 from PS4 etc.)
    - even F1 drivers say that "normal" cars, even supercars like Ferrari Enzo, feel slow and give much less fun from their speed than it used to before they had a chance to drive those blazing-fast F1 cars.


    Also. There's another widely known thing happening here. When you have let say 5 awesome games installed, and you play one for longer period of time, you might have trouble to go back some other.
    For example I don't want to go back to FPS game when I recently have tons of fun in platform game, and few months later I don't play any racing game cause I play online FPS game. It might even get as big as genre skipping. I always liked RTS games. After I didn't play any for many years, I don't feel that I want to play any. I would probably have fun if I tried, but I simply prefer to launch any other type of game and in the end, it never happens ;D

    Another example: I didn't play any retro games for 4 years. Suddenly I dusted off my Amiga 600, started playing two games and... it ended up with not touching my PC for 2 weeks. It wouldn't be wise to assume that 16-bit games are a thing that will replace normal 2016 PC games, would it? ;)


    BTW. VR gaming and "flat" gaming will never destroy the other. They will co-exist like radio and TV did for so long.
    Not an Oculus hater, but not a fan anymore.
    Still lots of respect for the team-Carmack, Abrash.
    Oculus is driven by big corporation principles now. That brings painful effects already, more to come in the future. This is not the Oculus I once cheered for.
  • mbze430mbze430 Posts: 567
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    kcampbell said:
    mbze430 said:
    kcampbell said:
    @Jose @SADGAMERSENPAI so I guess it doesn't feel right to play flat games in an app like Big Screen or Virtual Desktop or are there other factors? 
    I tried that once, but the frame rate was horrible, rather just take off the HMD and just look at the beautiful 4k screen
    I can understand that. I don't have a 4k monitor or TV yet and so far have not have trouble streaming PS4 in Virtual Desktop or Big Screen. 
    not sure how PS4 display to a PC, since I don't own a PS4.  But since games needs to be rendered by the GPU, and the Virtual DEsktop/Big Screen also needs to render.  They are both required by the GPU.  In which case, you end up having to lower 2D/Flatscreen resolution and quality in order to play it within Virtual Desktop/Big Screen.

    If I am going to do that, I might as well have it set to [email protected] with everything max'd instead of putting down to 1080p with low settings 
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  • RorschachPhoenixRorschachPhoenix Posts: 1,594 Valuable Player
    edited September 2016
    Zenbane said:
    kcampbell said:
    Have you played Life is Strange?
    No I haven't, but I just looked it up and it appears to be quite fantastic. It has a 10/10 rating from Steam, and the trailer kinda reminds me of "The Longest Journey." This is worth a purchase. Thanks for the heads up.
    "Life is Strange" is a wonderful game.
    Excuse my bad english. I speak to you through the google translator. :P
  • johnnysac5johnnysac5 Posts: 9
    NerveGear
    I've tried to go back to 2D gaming since I got my Vive and Rift 4 months ago but it's been really tough, even at 4k 60 fps.  I'm hoping gears of war 4 will get me back into it when it comes out next month.
  • KevinakiKevinaki Posts: 222
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    Zenbane said:
    kcampbell said:
    Have you played Life is Strange?
    No I haven't, but I just looked it up and it appears to be quite fantastic. It has a 10/10 rating from Steam, and the trailer kinda reminds me of "The Longest Journey." This is worth a purchase. Thanks for the heads up.
    "Life is Strange" is a wonderful game.
    Yes it is. The first episode was slow but this game turned out to be the closest thing to the Butterfly Effect style of game I always wanted.
  • KevinakiKevinaki Posts: 222
    Nexus 6
    mbze430 said:
    kcampbell said:
    mbze430 said:
    kcampbell said:
    @Jose @SADGAMERSENPAI so I guess it doesn't feel right to play flat games in an app like Big Screen or Virtual Desktop or are there other factors? 
    I tried that once, but the frame rate was horrible, rather just take off the HMD and just look at the beautiful 4k screen
    I can understand that. I don't have a 4k monitor or TV yet and so far have not have trouble streaming PS4 in Virtual Desktop or Big Screen. 
    not sure how PS4 display to a PC, since I don't own a PS4.  But since games needs to be rendered by the GPU, and the Virtual DEsktop/Big Screen also needs to render.  They are both required by the GPU.  In which case, you end up having to lower 2D/Flatscreen resolution and quality in order to play it within Virtual Desktop/Big Screen.

    If I am going to do that, I might as well have it set to [email protected] with everything max'd instead of putting down to 1080p with low settings 
    The PS4 has a dedicated app for the PC. As long as you have the hardware and a good connection you'll get minimum to no lag. I've used it more in Big Screen than Virtual Desktop and the quality is not bad at all. I had to tweak the settings slightly because the audio lagged but that was an easy fix. I guess being able to socialize and play games in different settings especially a movie theater makes up for any loss in quality.
  • mbze430mbze430 Posts: 567
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    edited September 2016
    kcampbell said:
    The PS4 has a dedicated app for the PC. As long as you have the hardware and a good connection you'll get minimum to no lag. I've used it more in Big Screen than Virtual Desktop and the quality is not bad at all. I had to tweak the settings slightly because the audio lagged but that was an easy fix. I guess being able to socialize and play games in different settings especially a movie theater makes up for any loss in quality.
    so it's like the Xbox One, since the PS4/XONE is rendering the graphics on it's own hardware then stream to the PC, then there is no need to render on the PC.  There will be no impact on FPS, unless you have a bad LAN connection (WIFI).  Flatscreen PC games has to be lowered because VR and the game itself now has to be render by the local GPU, which is no fun/good
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  • kzintzikzintzi Posts: 1,068
    Wintermute
    I was hoping that Bioshock remastered would entice me back to flatland but they're REALLY stunning examples of "why ports in general are bad, and why this port was a REALLY crap one" so I haven't made it back..

    besides, I've been pretty much a one game guy since I got the headset.. hard to not keep playing Elite.. I played something else the other night and my wife actually asked me if the internet was broken as that's about the only reason I don't play it when I actually get the time :tongue:

    Though you are more than slightly incoherent, I agree with you Madam,
    a plum is a terrible thing to do to a nostril.
  • KevinakiKevinaki Posts: 222
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    @kzintzi that's disappointing. I was thinking about getting Bioshock. 

    I purchased Attack on Titan for the PS4 and played a good amount of it over the weekend. I like it, however, I kept thinking this would be so much better in VR. Zipping through the air like Spiderman and taking down massive titans would be a nice intense VR game with the Touch. 
  • blanesblanes Posts: 1,096
    3Jane
    Nice Topic !   For Sim Racing VR is supreme, however I am thinking to pickup Forza Horizon 3 just for fun and that it will look so nice in 4K on my 40inch.  Also looking forward to Mafia 3 and I think I will always go back & forth depending on the game. VR Pinball is fantastic though and one day, hopefully soon, I will get back into Elite.
  • mbze430mbze430 Posts: 567
    Trinity
    speaking of Mafia 3.... I loaded up Mafia 2 this weekend... and it's amazing now my hardware will run Mafia 2 in 4k over 120fps lmfao.  Can't wait for Mafia 3.

    I honestly have to say I am looking forward to all the flatscreen games more so than any of the VR games coming.
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  • kzintzikzintzi Posts: 1,068
    Wintermute
    @kcampbell for me it wasn't much of an issue - I loved these games (best not talk about the waiting out the front of EBGames for Bioshock2 or the day off I took to play it) and already had them in my library so I got them for free..

    I'm still kinda hopeful that they will fix them (the massive texture glitches on all lights in bioshock remastered make it impossible to play) but I'm not going to hold my breath..


    Though you are more than slightly incoherent, I agree with you Madam,
    a plum is a terrible thing to do to a nostril.
  • rVRclosetrVRcloset Posts: 369
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    edited September 2016
    When it comes to ordinary games, not so much, I can still enjoy them on a screen.
    But I'm a sim racer, and going back to a single screen isn't really something I'm super exited about after being sat in the seat of the actual cars, with full size cars around me on track and being able to look into the corners!. Nothing will top that experience, besides being a real race driver and actually feeling the G forces.  :p
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  • JaimieVandenberghJaimieVandenbergh Posts: 255
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    Playing in VR has no effect on my enjoyment of games on flat screen or handheld - or board games, for that matter. It's just an additional form of gaming for me, not a replacement for any of the other ways. 
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