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Would you buy a wireless add on for the CV1?

GenetixStudioGenetixStudio Posts: 770
3Jane
I know there is a lot of talk about the Wireless add on for the Vive. (Not a Valve product, it's a company in China) I think the added latency and the low battery life (They claim 90 minutes) are some hold backs, but ultimately it is exciting - I think it will push demand for wireless high end VR further and is a good thing.

If that company, or another, or even Oculus released a similar product for the CV1 Rift roughly in the same price range around $220 would you buy it?

Another question - it seems like a push for high end wireless VR is going strong, and accelerating faster then many of us may have estimated, If we start to see Wireless headsets show up from Vive, Fove, and others in the next year or two should we expect the same thing from Oculus, could the CV2 possibly be wireless? 

That might seem like a long shot - but I love to think about it.

I know we have discussed what is better trade off - wireless or improved resolution, FOV etc.

Is wireless the next big thing in VR?
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  • TwoHedWlfTwoHedWlf Posts: 2,234 Valuable Player
    If none of the other experience, lag, video quality, reliability, etc were sacrificed.  Sure.  Having' to recharge a battery would be less than ideal, but manageable.  Especially if it's using something along the lines of a 2S lipo and can be supplied externally.
  • ChoronzonChoronzon Posts: 341
    Nexus 6
    edited November 2016
    Somehow I don't think Oculus will bring out a wireless update kit.

    I would buy, though.
  • ZoomieZoomie Posts: 1,777 Valuable Player
    I think one of my biggest concerns is that these first gen devices don't have a lot of wiggle-room for added latency.  They're even developing software solutions like ASW and ATW to help with occasional hiccups in the framerate because of the discomfort any delays can cause.  

    For me wireless is a nice-to-have rather than a mandatory purchase.  The majority of my gaming is done in simulations, meaning the wire isn't a big detractor to begin with.  That may change once I use Touch, but even then I'm not sure if the drawbacks of a "short" battery are worth losing the tether.  

    While my opinion may change if the Vive wireless kit lives up to all expectations, at the moment I think my answer would be no.  The benefits (while awesome) aren't worth the added expense and possible loss of fidelity from going wireless at this early stage.  Like @TwoHedWlf said, I might be more inclined if none of the other experience, lag, video quality, reliability, etc were sacrificed.
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  • DaftnDirectDaftnDirect Posts: 5,710 Volunteer Moderator
    edited November 2016
    Probably not at this stage @GenetixStudio, a better option for me would be to put the money towards the next gen headset, which I hope addresses other issues higher on my list of wants... although if a lot of irresistible games arrive that use room-scale movement, cordless may suddenly move towards the top of that list
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  • JettStilesJettStiles Posts: 175
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    TwoHedWlf said:
    If none of the other experience, lag, video quality, reliability, etc were sacrificed.  Sure.  Having' to recharge a battery would be less than ideal, but manageable.  Especially if it's using something along the lines of a 2S lipo and can be supplied externally.
    What he said.....if I could be sure it works flawlessly without me having to make any compromise I'd buy it
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  • Protocol7Protocol7 Posts: 333
    Trinity
    I would consider it, it would be a lot cheaper than a backpack PC
  • bigmike20vtbigmike20vt Posts: 4,153 Valuable Player
    edited November 2016
    Nope!. I think it is very cool dont get me wrong but i am happy to wait till it comes as standard with gen 2 VR..... which if its any good on the vive i imagine it will be standard 
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  • Hiro_Protag0nistHiro_Protag0nist Posts: 4,978 Valuable Player
    Probably not at this stage @GenetixStudio, a better option for me would be to put the money towards the next gen headset, which I hope addresses other issues higher on my list of wants... although if a lot of irresistible games arrive that use room-scale movement, cordless may suddenly move towards the top of that list
    I totally agree with this.  I think i can wait now.
  • Comic_Book_GuyComic_Book_Guy Posts: 1,212
    3Jane
    If it does it with no perceivable latency, in a heart beat.
  • JakemanOculusJakemanOculus Posts: 514
    Neo
    I wouldn't buy it.  I don't foresee myself needing it for any games.
  • LZoltowskiLZoltowski Posts: 6,774 Volunteer Moderator
    I would buy an add on if it was something like the prototype they showed off. With outward tracking sans cameras but still utilised the power of PC Hardware. 
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  • LZoltowskiLZoltowski Posts: 6,774 Volunteer Moderator
    Can you imagine a Next gen headset, that has cameras like the Hololens or project tango, where it can scan in your environments shape (imagine the whole house or flat) and a cleverly designed game engine that creates in game levels based on your actual surroundings shape. an AR and VR mashup.
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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 15,148 Valuable Player
    This thread should have been an actual Poll. It would have been fun (albeit predictable) to see the results.

    My answer: no I would not buy it. That money is better spent on more software titles between Oculus Home and Steam. I have over 50 games/apps now and there are so many more on Steam I will be able to play soon once I get Oculus Touch. I wouldn't waste money on a wireless device, I'd just buy more games!

    In fact, I have my Xbox controller plugged in to my PC directly. I don't really like Wireless at all for gaming. Never have. Even my mouse/keyboard are wired.
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  • LZoltowskiLZoltowski Posts: 6,774 Volunteer Moderator
    Zenbane said:
    This thread should have been an actual Poll. It would have been fun (albeit predictable) to see the results.

    My answer: no I would not buy it. That money is better spent on more software titles between Oculus Home and Steam. I have over 50 games/apps now and there are so many more on Steam I will be able to play soon once I get Oculus Touch. I wouldn't waste money on a wireless device, I'd just buy more games!

    In fact, I have my Xbox controller plugged in to my PC directly. I don't really like Wireless at all for gaming. Never have. Even my mouse/keyboard are wired.
    Same here, I have the Logitech Performance MX mouse, its wireless ... but for some reason I keep forgetting as I have it plugged in via the USB at all time ... 

    Maybe its my age, but wireless things annoy me ... esp with their unreliability.
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  • ChowmeinChowmein Posts: 19
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    Depends... if latency/lag doesn't impact gaming and battery lasts at least 4-5hours, then I may consider. Also, I'll wait about a couple of months to make sure I don't turn into 'Ghost Rider' unexpectedly....
  • LZoltowskiLZoltowski Posts: 6,774 Volunteer Moderator
    @Zenbane

    and dont get me started on Wireless Charging... ugh such a waste of energy. ... ok maybe Nicola Tesla hoped one day this would be a possibility. But at the moment it feels like a gimmick and completely unnecessary. Its just so wasteful.
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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 15,148 Valuable Player
    Same here, I have the Logitech Performance MX mouse, its wireless ... but for some reason I keep forgetting as I have it plugged in via the USB at all time ... 

    Maybe its my age, but wireless things annoy me ... esp with their unreliability.
    Agreed. Even with single player games, I'm so competitive that I simply cannot chance even the slightest wifi or bluetooth hiccup. Wired comes with consistency and reliability. Wifi comes with a feature.
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  • LZoltowskiLZoltowski Posts: 6,774 Volunteer Moderator
    Chowmein said:
    Depends... if latency/lag doesn't impact gaming and battery lasts at least 4-5hours, then I may consider. Also, I'll wait about a couple of months to make sure I don't turn into 'Ghost Rider' unexpectedly....
    Lol


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  • mbze430mbze430 Posts: 567
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    if there is one with very limited/minimal lag, TAKE MY MONEY!
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  • kevink808kevink808 Posts: 803
    3Jane
    Yes. But it has to be a legit quality product. Not some fly by night untested Chinese gear.
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  • DaftnDirectDaftnDirect Posts: 5,710 Volunteer Moderator
    @Zenbane

    and dont get me started on Wireless Charging... ugh such a waste of energy. ... ok maybe Nicola Tesla hoped one day this would be a possibility. But at the moment it feels like a gimmick and completely unnecessary. Its just so wasteful.

    This.. this... this

    After spending a great proportion of my engineering life adopting new lighting and power tech in order to reduce power use on a finite supply network (London Underground), it frustrates the heck out of me when I see things like wireless charging being added to an already lossy system (i.e. battery storage) and proposed for so many gadgets.

    Also, LZ can you explain to my sister why her hot tub is destroying the planet? she thinks I'm being annoying.

    many thanks

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  • LZoltowskiLZoltowski Posts: 6,774 Volunteer Moderator
    @DaftnDirect I would have thought the laws of thermodynamics speak for themselves ...

    Tell her that trying to maintain a preset temperature of water that is also energised by jets (which adds to heat-loss) in an environment as unpredictable and as temperate as UK weather is .......

    wait ... just say that every time she uses it a puppy drowns
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  • DaftnDirectDaftnDirect Posts: 5,710 Volunteer Moderator

    but she says 'look... look... it has a polystyrene cover so even in winter I can keep it switched on'

    ...I've tried pooping in it and blaming her dog

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  • LZoltowskiLZoltowski Posts: 6,774 Volunteer Moderator
    Hahah

    Right I'm off to play Ryse Son of Rome, (Yes I like that game) while I wait for my HMD.
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  • DaftnDirectDaftnDirect Posts: 5,710 Volunteer Moderator
    later LZ
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  • nimblerichmannimblerichman Posts: 18
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    Wireless on my rift would make my vr porn work better.  Right now I use a real doll and as I sling her around the room she trips up wires. 90 minutes is more than I can use.  Even with viagra, 2 minutes is all I can take from real doll.
  • kojackkojack Posts: 6,414 Volunteer Moderator
    Wireless would let me walk around the bridge of my Python without tangling the rift cable on my chair. So I'm in.

  • HiThere_HiThere_ Posts: 1,277
    3Jane
    A year ago I was expecting to buy a third party wireless box as soon as it came out.

    Now that I've managed the cable management through a pair of clothes lines (dog leashes might be a better choice), I simply have no good reason to downgrade my experience to a 90 min battery lifespan through a ~220$ purchase.

    Unless you have no ceiling or something, I suggest you go read about and try out ceiling height cable management first.
  • CrashFuCrashFu Posts: 1,756 Valuable Player
    Let's assume that a proposed wireless kit would work flawlessly, no loss in performance compared to wired.  And let's assume money was no object, and the battery was adequate for any reasonable-length session of use, etc. etc. etc. ....

    I personally still wouldn't be interested, because the cable doesn't get in the way enough during Seated and Standing VR experiences for me to need to ditch it... and I didn't buy a Rift for Room-Scale.

    I'd be far more interested in VR accessories that enhance seated and standing experiences.
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  • Sax-a-boomSax-a-boom Posts: 731
    3Jane
    kojack said:
    Wireless would let me walk around the bridge of my Python without tangling the rift cable on my chair. So I'm in.

    I so don't have a clue what that even means.  
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