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Pimax UHD HMD - "The Best Headset For Films"

Hiro_Protag0nistHiro_Protag0nist Posts: 4,783 Valuable Player
It looks like there are some good things, and some bad things with this $300 HMD:

The first thing I noticed when I put it on was the complete lack of pixels. I mean it, there is absolutely no visible screen door effect that I could see. I was playing iOMoon which is already notorious for it’s beautiful textures and stunning lighting, so I was happy to see that things were extremely crisp and detailed. Adding to that I did not see any “God Rays” that often plague both the Oculus Rift and HTC Vive for many users.

I found the item on GearBest.com while I was looking at other mobile VR HMD’s, currently it’s listed for about $350 which is not a bad price considering the clarity of the screens and the OpenVR/SteamVR support. The place I think this HMD will shine is for people who want to use VR while they are traveling. This HMD only requires one HDMI port and one USB 2.0 port which is usable with most laptops. It is EXTREMELY comfortable to wear and I could see myself falling asleep in this if I was in a car or on a plane. Because it has a 4K display it is PERFECT for using Virtual Desktop, BigScreen, and especially for watching movies in VR! Now I can’t wait for ALL HMD’s to be 4K or above! Truly exciting to get a glimpse of the future!

http://www.vrspies.com/realitycheckvr/pimax4kvrhmd/


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  • DeathSicleDeathSicle Posts: 2
    NerveGear
    I hope the Oculus devs are taking notes for the future CV2
  • RorschachPhoenixRorschachPhoenix Posts: 1,594 Valuable Player
    edited November 2016
    So it is the first choice for watching porn?

    That sounds very promising.
    Excuse my bad english. I speak to you through the google translator. :P
  • ChoronzonChoronzon Posts: 341
    Nexus 6
    There must be something devastatingly wrong with this HMD - please, someone tell me what it is before I flush £280 down the toilet.
  • Jokergod2000Jokergod2000 Posts: 300
    Nexus 6
    There must be something devastatingly wrong with this HMD - please, someone tell me what it is before I flush £280 down the toilet.
    No positional tracking, 60Hz max refresh, no hand controllers. All pretty important...
  • kojackkojack Posts: 5,286 Volunteer Moderator
    There must be something devastatingly wrong with this HMD - please, someone tell me what it is before I flush £280 down the toilet.
    60Hz display and no position tracking. So it's kind of a 4K DK1.

    From the Rock Paper Shotgun review:
    A more severe issue is that, while stuff looks fairly sharp if you’re looking at it dead-on, turning your head even a little or flicking your eyes fast is hoo-boy territory. Edges and text swim for a micro-second, long enough that you’re aware of your eyes adjusting, and given this is something you’re going to do hundreds of times during one session, it’s a huge downside. I’m not well-versed enough in the under-the-hood stuff to be able to say if this is down to the lower 60Hz refresh rate or pupil swim issues resulting from the shape and design of the lenses, but I can speak to the effects, which sadly are fairly unpleasant fairly quickly. Sickness and head/eyeache, basically, particularly the latter.

  • ChoronzonChoronzon Posts: 341
    Nexus 6
    As a video viewer 60hz and no positional tracking is not a big deal, so maybe it is the best headset for films. But after an hour searching for reviews it seems that the vibrant colours and inky blacks present in DK2 are not present in Primax - and I'm not going to trade picture quality for no screendoor, however appealing that is. But it's great that 4k HMDs are actually available right now.
  • Hiro_Protag0nistHiro_Protag0nist Posts: 4,783 Valuable Player
    Now 8K:

    http://www.roadtovr.com/hands-pimaxs-8k-headset-proves-high-fov-vr-coming/

    Will be going on Kickstarter in March apparently.
  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 4,499 Valuable Player
    "VR Spies: By the Names you know & trust"!

    Okay then, that overview read a little too much hyperbolic for me, and took me a while to understand if they were just bigging it up because they loved watching VR porn on it, or because it was not a GearVR?

    There are a lot of mobileVR headsets out there - after CES the market exploded by another 100% - picking one out of the hay bale is some achievement! 
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  • brackus1brackus1 Posts: 47
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    edited February 2017
    andyring said:
    Now 8K:

    http://www.roadtovr.com/hands-pimaxs-8k-headset-proves-high-fov-vr-coming/

    Will be going on Kickstarter in March apparently.
    Do the screens inside the headset physically get bigger as you move up in resolution, 2K -> 4K -> 8K, etc... ?
    The screens on that headset looks huge.

    What are they going do when they get to 16K?  Wrap the screen around your head?
  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 6,248 Valuable Player
    edited February 2017
    Now if only they could master the tracking like the Oculus. By the time they do that though Oculus would of beaten them to 4k with positional tracking already. This is all down to greedy computer hardware firms charging silly prices for Graphics cards and CPU's. With a Geforce 1080Gtx and a 6700K CPU, I'm sure we could of had 4k screens in the Rift. Especially now that we have things like Space Warp for the Rift.
  • Thane_Thane_ Posts: 242
    Nexus 6
    I would bet that any eye strain/headaches are caused by the separation going beyond IPD. Could be 3D movies too though, since 3D movies change up the convergence scene by scene, effecting the size of the spaces the brain is seeing, causing it to have to constantly re-calculate sizes. Thats my theory on why there were complaints about eye strain and headaches from 3D movies, but there isn't a single forum thread about it in the 3D gaming community except one by me concerning the lack of threads. Maybe try changing the separation between the images?

    With a little separation slider, the 3D should never have to look any different from what you know as "perfect 3D", but i think we have many years before we all understand that. Its so easy to see whats going on on an 3D LCD screen with your 3D glasses off, so how a train track separates further apart as it goes of in the distance. Hard to see that kind of thing on a VR headset i would guess.
  • ShocksOculusShocksOculus Posts: 371
    Trinity
    andyring said:
    Now 8K:

    http://www.roadtovr.com/hands-pimaxs-8k-headset-proves-high-fov-vr-coming/

    Will be going on Kickstarter in March apparently.
    Also adding your part regarding "Godrays" w/ respect to the Rift/Vive.  

    From my understanding the PiMax is more similar to GearVR (Samsung/Oculus) than Vive/Rift; thus a MobileVR experience for watching vids and playing mobile games (non graphics intensive).

    Things like GearVR are great for introductory VR, but there's a reason why the Rift/Vive require a high powered PC to play graphically intensive games/apps.  I'm sure Oculus is aware of 4K and 8K displays, but the PC hardware just can't play at those specifics yet.  Although, it sounds like the new AMD Vega may be a true 4K 60 fps GPU; so we're getting there.


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  • Hiro_Protag0nistHiro_Protag0nist Posts: 4,783 Valuable Player
    I've got to say, i'm excited by this, if it has positional tracking (they say it will) i'll definitely be getting one.  It may work ok with the next gen of GPUs.  To think of 8K with 200 degree field of view is crazy!


  • nAV2016nAV2016 Posts: 516
    Trinity
    This is fantastic news!! it just goes to show the the technology is taking off
  • PiMaxVR.comPiMaxVR.com Posts: 11
    NerveGear
    edited September 2017
    lovethis said:
    Now if only they could master the tracking like the Oculus. By the time they do that though Oculus would of beaten them to 4k with positional tracking already. This is all down to greedy computer hardware firms charging silly prices for Graphics cards and CPU's. With a Geforce 1080Gtx and a 6700K CPU, I'm sure we could of had 4k screens in the Rift. Especially now that we have things like Space Warp for the Rift.

    We have the new valve lighthouse tracking system and it is excellent.  If Oculus cannot deliver before our kickstarter delivers this december you may have to rescind your claim.  I hope they do deliver as competition is good for the consumer.  The tracking issue is interesting as we do include a camera with the lighthouse system that will work with Steam VR to do full body tracking.  It does require some bandwidth but we have had no issues integrating our camera with lighthouse.

    We have heard reports that the oculus system takes too much bandwidth for some users and they don't have it to spare and there are issues getting a similar system working with Oculus Guardian because of these issues.

    As to the GODRAYS issue, I think many will be pleasantly surprised with the reviews coming from tested next week.  Already many users at our conferenced meetups have said this is the most immersive HMD they have ever used and the SDE and GODRAY issues that we solve made them very happy.


    I use a 1070 and it works beautifully.  Greedy firms also upset us so that is why we are hoping to sell at affordable prices.

  • CrashFuCrashFu Posts: 1,756 Valuable Player
    Are you saying that your customers will have to buy a pair of Vive Lighthouse Base Stations in order to use your product?

    As I understand it, the base stations cost $135 each, and have to be used in a set of two, correct?  So $270 in addition to the $300+ for your HMD?  :neutral:

    It's hard being the voice of reason when you're surrounded by unreasonable people.
  • Atmos73Atmos73 Posts: 3,128 Valuable Player
    That goes for Vive users too as Pimax are using Lighthouse 2.0 which doesn't have the sync LEDs.

    If Pimax can deliver I'll be selling my Vive and upgrading as I hate Fresnel lenses but still want Lighthouse and Knuckles. 
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  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 4,499 Valuable Player
    Its fascinating to see a manufacturer come on a competitors forum to discuss their product - real nice to see this kind of interchange, another example of the diversity of the VR community from the original Oculus KS days.

    Hoping that Pimax's KS goes smoothly and we get to see the fruit of the products in a production prototype format soon. Have a number of disillusioned StarVR operators that would like to see an alternative.
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  • Atmos73Atmos73 Posts: 3,128 Valuable Player
    I think Oculus and HTC are moving too slow on GEN2 products. Maybe their focus is on Mobile for the time being. But if theyre not quick they could lose a lot of sales to the PiMAX. Even the LG headset looks outdated before its even finalised.

    I was really routing for StarVR but now PiMAX have jumped on SteamVR bandwagon StarVR look like they've missed the boat completely.

    If the PiMAX can get both the resolution and optics right backed up with lighthouse and Knuckles it soulds like a winning combination to me.
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 6,732 Valuable Player
    The FOV is a bigger deal for me than resolution. We'll have to wait and see how it turns out but using Lighthouse 2.0 is going to be a disadvantage in terms of pricing. Might have been a better idea for them to approach Oculus to licence the Constellation technology instead. It would bring their production costs right down, even if they're using Lighthouse 2.0.

    I'm in no hurry to upgrade anyway, I'm going to wait a couple of years for the second generation headsets from the two major players I think.
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  • dburnedburne Posts: 2,399 Valuable Player
    Yep I will be waiting for them as well, hanging my hat on the big two myself. At least for now. 
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  • Atmos73Atmos73 Posts: 3,128 Valuable Player
    Haha do you think I was going to keep the Vive forever? Gen1 was always a stepping stone to Gen2 regardless of manufacturer.

    If people want to wait till 2019 for Oculus that's up to them but for me life's too short and £500 a year for a major upgraded is neither here or there.

    Ill gladly buy from HTC again but the Pimax is ticking all the boxes so far. 





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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,095 Valuable Player
    Atmos73 said:
    Haha do you think I was going to keep the Vive forever?
    Based on your posting history? Yes.

    Atmos73 said:
    If people want to wait till 2019 for Oculus that's up to them but for me life's too short
    uuhh, if life is too short for you then why have you wasted over 15 months arguing in favor of your Vive on an Oculus forum? There are few things that prove to be a bigger waste of time than "online competitive arguing." Yet you are committed to it. hmm :*
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  • Atmos73Atmos73 Posts: 3,128 Valuable Player
    Not at all Zenbane. I argued for Wands over 'shitty' control pad, s shame it took eight months after the fact for you Rifters finally realised what youve been missing.

    I also argued for Roomscale over seated experiences. 

    Then there was 4 Rift USBs v 1 Vive USB.

    Now SteamVR is getting Knuckles which is an upgrade over Wands and Touch.

    All these advantages carry on with the Pimax so I was argueing for the SteamVR platform over Oculus's if anything.

    Will you still be fighting Oculus's corner when they have nothing to argue for? If half the members here buy a Pimax HMD will you then see them as the enemy as you do Vivers?

    Its going to be an interesting time and I can't wait for it to happen.




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  • vannagirlvannagirl Posts: 2,000 Valuable Player
    Zenbane said:
    Atmos73 said:
    I'll be selling my Vive



    Look, man. I only need to know one thing: where they are. 
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,095 Valuable Player
    edited September 2017
    Atmos73 said:
    Not at all Zenbane. I argued for Wands over 'shitty' control pad, s shame it took eight months after the fact for you Rifters finally realised what youve been missing.

    Yet you are still waiting for Knuckles after 15+ months, and you may end up selling your Vive before you realize what you have been missing with Finger Tracking. And this is my point... you have been spamming this nonsense for over a year, where no amount of facts change your argument in the way it should for anyone who is capable of "learning." So when you say, "life is too short," it doesn't really make sense in your case. You've spent more time trying to defend your bad choice with the Vive than you have spent actually using your Vive. That's not the behavior of someone who believes "life is too short" to waste time :D

    Also, I still prefer my Gamepad over Hand Controllers for certain experiences. All of your "you dont know what you were missing," arguments were fairly meaningless. Gamepads are good for some things, hand controllers for others. It's all about the "right tool for the job."

    For example, I prefer to play Battlezone with my XBox Gamepad even though it works fine with the hand controllers. I also prefer gamepad with Darknet and Farlands.
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  • Atmos73Atmos73 Posts: 3,128 Valuable Player
    Zenbane - full of contradiction. Its you who supports a format thats in such a rush to establish itself by spending millions on exclusives. A format in such a rush to establish a userbase by slashing its prices for maximum growth. If you and Oculus are in no such rush why buy software with only 4 hours of game play rather than wait 2-5 years for long expansive gaming experiences? Maybe Valve with their 3 games are ultimately playing the long game here but they dont call it Valve time for nothing do they?
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