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Disappointed with Rift CV1 Compared to Gear VR

thekjun1thekjun1 Posts: 10
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With the Huge Price Difference I really expected more in the store on the Rift, Seems to me that the Gear VR has better Apps and more to choose from, If it was not for the overheating problem I would use the Gear more often.  Milk Vr is a fantastic Video App that would be nice on the Rift, wheres Netflix App?, have to Use the virtual Desktop to view. Most of the games on the rift are very short or demo's and Videos to me seem to be lacking in video quality compared to the gear. I do love the touch controllers on the rift and find the games entertaining, my problem though is after a couple of weeks I have found the game or apps no longer entertaining or useful, now I am not saying all the games and Apps are like this but most are.  compared to $99 for the Gear Vr and the Rift at $800 not to mention the $2000 for the computer I really would love to see more from the Rift. I was around for the first Oculus release even got me one but back then, I guess what I am asking is can you start releasing a upcoming list of games and Apps with release dates of when to expect them, besides Oculus Store and Steam store is there any other ways to get more. 

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  • Comic_Book_GuyComic_Book_Guy Posts: 1,195
    3Jane
    haha wut

    Lets see a smart phone play PC VR games on high settings at 90fps....

    Mobile VR is good for 360 videos and that's about it. I'm not sure why you're comparing the two.
  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Posts: 163
    Art3mis
    haha wut

    Lets see a smart phone play PC VR games on high settings at 90fps....

    Mobile VR is good for 360 videos and that's about it. I'm not sure why you're comparing the two.
    The Gear has some worthwhile non-video content as well:

    Darknet
    Dreadhalls
    JUMP
    Vendetta Online VR
    Minecraft Gear VR
    BombSquad
    Dead Secret
    Esper 2

    The above eight come readily to mind.  For some additional "top ten" lists regarding the Gear, see

    http://imgur.com/a/HcC0Q

    and


  • Cance11ationCance11ation Posts: 542
    Nexus 6
    I agree with daddoofly82
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,613 Valuable Player
    edited January 2017
    thekjun1 said:
     Milk Vr is a fantastic Video App that would be nice on the Rift, wheres Netflix App?, have to Use the virtual Desktop to view.
    Have you actually used a Rift, Virtual Desktop, and watched Netflix? Your post seems to have a lot of second-hand information. Like... you Googled "how to watch Netflix with the Oculus Rift," and then came to make a post as though you've experienced it. You clearly haven't, because watching Netflix on Virtual Desktop is amazing. It is also amazing while using Big Screen, but you didn't even mention that... and you even stated that a person "have to use Virtual Desktop." And that is wrong. Big Screen is free and is just as great an option.

    I can actually function with my day job using my Rift thanks to Big Screen and Virtual Desktop, since I'm a software developer and all of my programming and database tools look beautiful in the Rift as I work while floating near Saturn or in the middle of a space Nebula.

    oh but Milk VR is cool? lol

    I can play StarCraft, Diablo, WarCraft, Baldurs Gate, IceWind Dale, the entire Witcher series, Skyrim, Morrowind, and just about every other PC game ever made in my Rift. And I don't even have to use either Big Screen or Virtual Desktop, I can also use the Steam VR gaming theater. And also play every game available on Steam in there.

    The lesson here is that anything can appear to suck if used terribly. For example: walking is better than using a motor vehicle... if you never actually put the motor vehicle in gear to move forward.
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  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 6,766 Valuable Player
    I think all the OP is saying is that he expected to see more in the Oculus store. When Oculus first started out they constantly spoke about seated experiences and we're concerned about standing ones. That's why I purchased the Rift and not the Vive so that I could have more seated experiences. Apart from the new touch games there's hardly being anything released that I can sit and play with my Xbox controller.
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,613 Valuable Player
    edited January 2017
    No I think that is just how you re-interpreted what the OP actually said @lovethis

    He specifically asked for a Netflix "app" even though we can already watch Netflix in a more powerful way. That isn't "more" at all, that is the same thing in a lesser form.

    The Oculus Store has a plethora of great titles, and PC-based VR far exceeds the mobile equivalent. For example, games like Elite Dangerous and Onward have created their own cultures. In contrast to mobile VR titles that are little more than instant gratification extensions of their 2D counterparts.
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  • arttekarttek Posts: 101
    Art3mis
    Zenbane said:
    thekjun1 said:
     Milk Vr is a fantastic Video App that would be nice on the Rift, wheres Netflix App?, have to Use the virtual Desktop to view.
    Have you actually used a Rift, Virtual Desktop, and watched Netflix? Your post seems to have a lot of second-hand information. Like... you Googled "how to watch Netflix with the Oculus Rift," and then came to make a post as though you've experienced it. You clearly haven't, because watching Netflix on Virtual Desktop is amazing. It is also amazing while using Big Screen, but you didn't even mention that... and you even stated that a person "have to use Virtual Desktop." And that is wrong. Big Screen is free and is just as great an option.

    I can actually function with my day job using my Rift thanks to Big Screen and Virtual Desktop, since I'm a software developer and all of my programming and database tools look beautiful in the Rift as I work while floating near Saturn or in the middle of a space Nebula.

    oh but Milk VR is cool? lol

    I can play StarCraft, Diablo, WarCraft, Baldurs Gate, IceWind Dale, the entire Witcher series, Skyrim, Morrowind, and just about every other PC game ever made in my Rift. And I don't even have to use either Big Screen or Virtual Desktop, I can also use the Steam VR gaming theater. And also play every game available on Steam in there.

    The lesson here is that anything can appear to suck if used terribly. For example: walking is better than using a motor vehicle... if you never actually put the motor vehicle in gear to move forward.
    You must have mastered all the keys on your keyboard. I still have to peek out of my headset in VR Desktop from time to time.
  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Posts: 163
    Art3mis
    edited January 2017
    Zenbane said:
    No I think that is just how you re-interpreted what the OP actually said @lovethis

    He specifically asked for a Netflix "app" even though we can already watch Netflix in a more powerful way. That isn't "more" at all, that is the same thing in a lesser form.

    The Oculus Store has a plethora of great titles, and PC-based VR far exceeds the mobile equivalent. For example, games like Elite Dangerous and Onward have created their own cultures. In contrast to mobile VR titles that are little more than instant gratification extensions of their 2D counterparts.
    Some are like this, certainly.  However, some Gear VR titles hold a surprising amount of depth.  I didn't approach Gear VR thinking 'this is going to be like mobile games, but VR!'; I expected a full VR experience, and that was more or less what I got.  Certain titles, such as Minecraft Gear VR and Vendetta Online VR, easily have thousands of hours of deep playability (neither are remotely what I would call "instant gratification").  Others, such as Dreadhalls, Dead Secret and JUMP (and many others), while far reduced in scope from a standard full-release PC game, are fun enough in and of themselves that they are ported over to Rift (and / or Vive).

    I'd also suggest that some 'mobile games', let alone VR, have their own culture as well; Angry Birds has its own movie, now.  Rovio also sells T-shirts:

    https://goo.gl/photos/JACPnwSfLULTLrPE8

    Among some critics, The Banner Saga was received quite favorably; it's a very nice work of apocalyptic fantasy, and I am currently playing through it on my S6.
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,613 Valuable Player
    edited January 2017
    arttek said:
    You must have mastered all the keys on your keyboard. I still have to peek out of my headset in VR Desktop from time to time.
    I spent too much time in front of a keyboard. College twice (2 degrees), and over 15 years as a software engineer. I'm feel fortunate that my hands don't need surgery yet lol


    Phaserlight said:
    Some are like this, certainly.  However, some Gear VR titles hold a surprising amount of depth. .
    I have no doubt that Mobile VR can bring users in to a VR experience beyond mere quick enjoyment. My previous post was less about diminishing the value of mobile VR, and more about keeping PCVR in proper perspective.

    The things we can do with the Rift far exceed the Oculus store; which makes the title of this thread absurd.

    Also, it's important to keep in mind that Oculus isn't responsible for a lot of what's being said here:

    1) Oculus can't make their own Netflix app; Netflix belongs to Netflix.

    2) Oculus can automatically port over Gear VR app's to the Rift; the developers of these app's need to do so.

    There are not enough Rift and Vive owners screaming about the need to port mobile VR over to PCVR, because those of us who invested in PCVR want something grander. Mobile VR will have its place, but it will always come second to PCVR, and possibly third if we count console-VR.
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  • falken76falken76 Posts: 2,879 Valuable Player
    arttek said:
    Zenbane said:
    thekjun1 said:
     Milk Vr is a fantastic Video App that would be nice on the Rift, wheres Netflix App?, have to Use the virtual Desktop to view.
    Have you actually used a Rift, Virtual Desktop, and watched Netflix? Your post seems to have a lot of second-hand information. Like... you Googled "how to watch Netflix with the Oculus Rift," and then came to make a post as though you've experienced it. You clearly haven't, because watching Netflix on Virtual Desktop is amazing. It is also amazing while using Big Screen, but you didn't even mention that... and you even stated that a person "have to use Virtual Desktop." And that is wrong. Big Screen is free and is just as great an option.

    I can actually function with my day job using my Rift thanks to Big Screen and Virtual Desktop, since I'm a software developer and all of my programming and database tools look beautiful in the Rift as I work while floating near Saturn or in the middle of a space Nebula.

    oh but Milk VR is cool? lol

    I can play StarCraft, Diablo, WarCraft, Baldurs Gate, IceWind Dale, the entire Witcher series, Skyrim, Morrowind, and just about every other PC game ever made in my Rift. And I don't even have to use either Big Screen or Virtual Desktop, I can also use the Steam VR gaming theater. And also play every game available on Steam in there.

    The lesson here is that anything can appear to suck if used terribly. For example: walking is better than using a motor vehicle... if you never actually put the motor vehicle in gear to move forward.
    You must have mastered all the keys on your keyboard. I still have to peek out of my headset in VR Desktop from time to time.

    Nobody knows how to touch type?  You just need to know where homerow is....

  • falken76falken76 Posts: 2,879 Valuable Player
    I can't speak for others, but I already had a PC that was capable because unlike the newest "generation"  I put value in an actual computer over a cell phone which I consider nothing more than a clumbsy tool to use while away from your production enviornement.  I absolutely hate the simplistic games available on mobile which are all reduced to crap because the UI is always garbage for games IMHO.    Have you actually used Netflix on Virtual Desktop?  As mentioned above, Big screen is also an option and it is free.

    I prefer the rift because it has access to the raw horsepower of a real PC while the Mobile VR is stuck using the weak power of a $700 phone.  (If you want to complain about price, focus on the cost of the actual phone needed for this, but with Interest free payoff via a contracted account people seem fine being in debt in 2 year increments until the next model with a .25 micron larger screen comes out and they restart the whole process again)

    As far as the larger library, yes mobile is much larger and always will be because of the size of the installed user base.  I'm sure there are plenty of good games, so it really comes down to what you prefer.  I prefer a PC because I use my phone as a phone, not my go to for everything.
  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Posts: 163
    Art3mis
    edited January 2017
    falken76 said:
    I can't speak for others, but I already had a PC that was capable because unlike the newest "generation"  I put value in an actual computer over a cell phone which I consider nothing more than a clumbsy tool to use while away from your production enviornement.  I absolutely hate the simplistic games available on mobile which are all reduced to crap because the UI is always garbage for games IMHO.    Have you actually used Netflix on Virtual Desktop?  As mentioned above, Big screen is also an option and it is free.

    I prefer the rift because it has access to the raw horsepower of a real PC while the Mobile VR is stuck using the weak power of a $700 phone.  (If you want to complain about price, focus on the cost of the actual phone needed for this, but with Interest free payoff via a contracted account people seem fine being in debt in 2 year increments until the next model with a .25 micron larger screen comes out and they restart the whole process again)

    As far as the larger library, yes mobile is much larger and always will be because of the size of the installed user base.  I'm sure there are plenty of good games, so it really comes down to what you prefer.  I prefer a PC because I use my phone as a phone, not my go to for everything.
    For someone complaining about "the newest "generation"", your post looks as though it were written by a raging teen...

    "Always" = 100%

    It only takes one exception to turn this statement on its head.

    So, let's pick a relatively obscure example; please explain to me how the UI for Prune is "garbage".  I posit that it isn't; it accomplishes what is necessary for the design goals of the game quite elegantly.

    As far as your rant regarding phone price and "horsepower", I got mine for $270 at Sears, paid in full.

    I remember when my brother bought the PS2; the graphics seemed amazing back then.  I enjoyed wondering about where the future would take graphical computing.

    Well...



    http://pages.experts-exchange.com/processing-power-compared/

    Yes, I realize that a tricked-out PC will crunch many more floating point operations per second, especially if you have $10,000 to spend.  However, 36 year old me still finds it pretty amazing that in 2017 a multi-GHz virtual reality device fits in my pocket.
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,613 Valuable Player
    edited January 2017
    Phaserlight said:
    For someone complaining about "the newest "generation"", your post looks as though it were written by a raging teen...
    I disagree. falken clearly stated that it was only his opinion (one I happen to agree with), and the OP comes off more like a raging teen... as noted by his demanding of a Netflix VR app even though Netflix in VR is perfectly achievable today. Case in point: angry kids prefer app's for everything instead of taking some initiative themselves.

    Also, was the UI for Prune link supposed to be satire?

    "Prune is a love letter to trees. A game about the beauty and joy of cultivation."

    Umm...  :*
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  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Posts: 163
    Art3mis
    Zenbane said:
    Phaserlight said:
    For someone complaining about "the newest "generation"", your post looks as though it were written by a raging teen...
    I disagree. falken clearly stated that it was only his opinion (one I happen to agree with), and the OP comes off more like a raging teen... as noted by his demanding of a Netflix VR app even though Netflix in VR is perfectly achievable today. Case in point: angry kids prefer app's for everything instead of taking some initiative themselves.

    Also, was the UI for Prune link supposed to be satire?

    "Prune is a love letter to trees. A game about the beauty and joy of cultivation."

    Umm...  :*
    No, it wasn't intended to be satire.  @falken76 stated that "I absolutely hate the simplistic games available on mobile which are all reduced to crap because the UI is always garbage"

    All... always...

    To paraphrase Sir Conan Doyle, it only takes one exception to disprove the rule.

    User Interface: "the means by which the user and a computer system interact, in particular the use of input devices and software."

    People really do enjoy the art of bonsaiPrune emulates that.  Regardless of what you think of Prune as a game, however, falken's argument was contingent on all mobile UIs being "garbage".  Consider that a UI literally is the means by which a user and computer system interact re: software; it seems that a mobile UI with its touch-screen interface is ideal for a game about trimming away parts of a tree as it grows.  This is only one example, but again, let me remind you falken firmly stated "[mobile] UI is always garbage" (emphasis mine).

    At this point, the logic of falken's argument more or less falls apart, as games like Prune show the opposite is sometimes the case.
  • arttekarttek Posts: 101
    Art3mis
    edited January 2017
    falken76 said:
    arttek said:
    Zenbane said:
    thekjun1 said:
     Milk Vr is a fantastic Video App that would be nice on the Rift, wheres Netflix App?, have to Use the virtual Desktop to view.
    Have you actually used a Rift, Virtual Desktop, and watched Netflix? Your post seems to have a lot of second-hand information. Like... you Googled "how to watch Netflix with the Oculus Rift," and then came to make a post as though you've experienced it. You clearly haven't, because watching Netflix on Virtual Desktop is amazing. It is also amazing while using Big Screen, but you didn't even mention that... and you even stated that a person "have to use Virtual Desktop." And that is wrong. Big Screen is free and is just as great an option.

    I can actually function with my day job using my Rift thanks to Big Screen and Virtual Desktop, since I'm a software developer and all of my programming and database tools look beautiful in the Rift as I work while floating near Saturn or in the middle of a space Nebula.

    oh but Milk VR is cool? lol

    I can play StarCraft, Diablo, WarCraft, Baldurs Gate, IceWind Dale, the entire Witcher series, Skyrim, Morrowind, and just about every other PC game ever made in my Rift. And I don't even have to use either Big Screen or Virtual Desktop, I can also use the Steam VR gaming theater. And also play every game available on Steam in there.

    The lesson here is that anything can appear to suck if used terribly. For example: walking is better than using a motor vehicle... if you never actually put the motor vehicle in gear to move forward.
    You must have mastered all the keys on your keyboard. I still have to peek out of my headset in VR Desktop from time to time.

    Nobody knows how to touch type?  You just need to know where homerow is....

    Do you touch type while constantly using your mouse at the same time?We're talking about playing games. Where you're constantly using your mouse on one hand, and accessing a variety of keys with your left. I'm pretty sure that if you take a bunch of people who are relatively proficient at touch typing, blind fold them, and tell them to occasionally access right hand keys quickly with just their left hand, they'll probably have varied success rates.

     
  • falken76falken76 Posts: 2,879 Valuable Player
    Zenbane said:
    Phaserlight said:
    For someone complaining about "the newest "generation"", your post looks as though it were written by a raging teen...
    I disagree. falken clearly stated that it was only his opinion (one I happen to agree with), and the OP comes off more like a raging teen... as noted by his demanding of a Netflix VR app even though Netflix in VR is perfectly achievable today. Case in point: angry kids prefer app's for everything instead of taking some initiative themselves.

    Also, was the UI for Prune link supposed to be satire?

    "Prune is a love letter to trees. A game about the beauty and joy of cultivation."

    Umm...  :*
    No, it wasn't intended to be satire.  @falken76 stated that "I absolutely hate the simplistic games available on mobile which are all reduced to crap because the UI is always garbage"

    All... always...

    To paraphrase Sir Conan Doyle, it only takes one exception to disprove the rule.

    User Interface: "the means by which the user and a computer system interact, in particular the use of input devices and software."

    People really do enjoy the art of bonsaiPrune emulates that.  Regardless of what you think of Prune as a game, however, falken's argument was contingent on all mobile UIs being "garbage".  Consider that a UI literally is the means by which a user and computer system interact re: software; it seems that a mobile UI with its touch-screen interface is ideal for a game about trimming away parts of a tree as it grows.  This is only one example, but again, let me remind you falken firmly stated "[mobile] UI is always garbage" (emphasis mine).

    At this point, the logic of falken's argument more or less falls apart, as games like Prune show the opposite is sometimes the case.

    If you are going to quote a sentence I wrote, be sure to include it all and not ommit the very point that Zenbane pointed out.  Here, I'll do the honor myself:

    "I absolutely hate the simplistic games available on mobile which are all reduced to crap because the UI is always garbage for games IMHO"

    You seem to have conveniently left out the part in bold. 

    The reason I have that Opinion is because I personally do not like the interface at all due specifically to being a touch screen.  I don't think they are well suited to control games.  That's how I feel about it.  Don't go on some tirade as though I'm stating this is a fact that everyone must agree with.
  • falken76falken76 Posts: 2,879 Valuable Player
    arttek said:
    falken76 said:
    arttek said:
    Zenbane said:
    thekjun1 said:
     Milk Vr is a fantastic Video App that would be nice on the Rift, wheres Netflix App?, have to Use the virtual Desktop to view.
    Have you actually used a Rift, Virtual Desktop, and watched Netflix? Your post seems to have a lot of second-hand information. Like... you Googled "how to watch Netflix with the Oculus Rift," and then came to make a post as though you've experienced it. You clearly haven't, because watching Netflix on Virtual Desktop is amazing. It is also amazing while using Big Screen, but you didn't even mention that... and you even stated that a person "have to use Virtual Desktop." And that is wrong. Big Screen is free and is just as great an option.

    I can actually function with my day job using my Rift thanks to Big Screen and Virtual Desktop, since I'm a software developer and all of my programming and database tools look beautiful in the Rift as I work while floating near Saturn or in the middle of a space Nebula.

    oh but Milk VR is cool? lol

    I can play StarCraft, Diablo, WarCraft, Baldurs Gate, IceWind Dale, the entire Witcher series, Skyrim, Morrowind, and just about every other PC game ever made in my Rift. And I don't even have to use either Big Screen or Virtual Desktop, I can also use the Steam VR gaming theater. And also play every game available on Steam in there.

    The lesson here is that anything can appear to suck if used terribly. For example: walking is better than using a motor vehicle... if you never actually put the motor vehicle in gear to move forward.
    You must have mastered all the keys on your keyboard. I still have to peek out of my headset in VR Desktop from time to time.

    Nobody knows how to touch type?  You just need to know where homerow is....

    Do you touch type while constantly using your mouse at the same time?We're talking about playing games. Where you're constantly using your mouse on one hand, and accessing a variety of keys with your left. I'm pretty sure that if you take a bunch of people who are relatively proficient at touch typing, blind fold them, and tell them to occasionally access right hand keys quickly with just their left hand, they'll probably have varied success rates.

     

    I'm not sure, never considered it because it didn't effect me since I know where homerow is and muscle memory just allows me to put my hands where they need to go weather I'm using the left or right hand.
  • arttekarttek Posts: 101
    Art3mis
    falken76 said:
    arttek said:
    falken76 said:
    arttek said:
    Zenbane said:
    thekjun1 said:
     Milk Vr is a fantastic Video App that would be nice on the Rift, wheres Netflix App?, have to Use the virtual Desktop to view.
    Have you actually used a Rift, Virtual Desktop, and watched Netflix? Your post seems to have a lot of second-hand information. Like... you Googled "how to watch Netflix with the Oculus Rift," and then came to make a post as though you've experienced it. You clearly haven't, because watching Netflix on Virtual Desktop is amazing. It is also amazing while using Big Screen, but you didn't even mention that... and you even stated that a person "have to use Virtual Desktop." And that is wrong. Big Screen is free and is just as great an option.

    I can actually function with my day job using my Rift thanks to Big Screen and Virtual Desktop, since I'm a software developer and all of my programming and database tools look beautiful in the Rift as I work while floating near Saturn or in the middle of a space Nebula.

    oh but Milk VR is cool? lol

    I can play StarCraft, Diablo, WarCraft, Baldurs Gate, IceWind Dale, the entire Witcher series, Skyrim, Morrowind, and just about every other PC game ever made in my Rift. And I don't even have to use either Big Screen or Virtual Desktop, I can also use the Steam VR gaming theater. And also play every game available on Steam in there.

    The lesson here is that anything can appear to suck if used terribly. For example: walking is better than using a motor vehicle... if you never actually put the motor vehicle in gear to move forward.
    You must have mastered all the keys on your keyboard. I still have to peek out of my headset in VR Desktop from time to time.

    Nobody knows how to touch type?  You just need to know where homerow is....

    Do you touch type while constantly using your mouse at the same time?We're talking about playing games. Where you're constantly using your mouse on one hand, and accessing a variety of keys with your left. I'm pretty sure that if you take a bunch of people who are relatively proficient at touch typing, blind fold them, and tell them to occasionally access right hand keys quickly with just their left hand, they'll probably have varied success rates.

     

    I'm not sure, never considered it because it didn't effect me since I know where homerow is and muscle memory just allows me to put my hands where they need to go weather I'm using the left or right hand.
    Right, for normal typing this isn't an issue. The subject was based on games where quick access of various keys are necessary while moving the mouse simultaneously. A quick test would be to simply open up notepad, close your eyes, and with your left hand on homerow, quickly press the keys ". [ k m - F12" and see how accurate you are. These are just some examples of keys that games tend to use for various functions. That's the subject I'm referring to when needing to occasionally peak at my keyboard while using Virtual Desktop. 
  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Posts: 163
    Art3mis
    falken76 said:
    Zenbane said:
    Phaserlight said:
    For someone complaining about "the newest "generation"", your post looks as though it were written by a raging teen...
    I disagree. falken clearly stated that it was only his opinion (one I happen to agree with), and the OP comes off more like a raging teen... as noted by his demanding of a Netflix VR app even though Netflix in VR is perfectly achievable today. Case in point: angry kids prefer app's for everything instead of taking some initiative themselves.

    Also, was the UI for Prune link supposed to be satire?

    "Prune is a love letter to trees. A game about the beauty and joy of cultivation."

    Umm...  :*
    No, it wasn't intended to be satire.  @falken76 stated that "I absolutely hate the simplistic games available on mobile which are all reduced to crap because the UI is always garbage"

    All... always...

    To paraphrase Sir Conan Doyle, it only takes one exception to disprove the rule.

    User Interface: "the means by which the user and a computer system interact, in particular the use of input devices and software."

    People really do enjoy the art of bonsaiPrune emulates that.  Regardless of what you think of Prune as a game, however, falken's argument was contingent on all mobile UIs being "garbage".  Consider that a UI literally is the means by which a user and computer system interact re: software; it seems that a mobile UI with its touch-screen interface is ideal for a game about trimming away parts of a tree as it grows.  This is only one example, but again, let me remind you falken firmly stated "[mobile] UI is always garbage" (emphasis mine).

    At this point, the logic of falken's argument more or less falls apart, as games like Prune show the opposite is sometimes the case.

    If you are going to quote a sentence I wrote, be sure to include it all and not ommit the very point that Zenbane pointed out.  Here, I'll do the honor myself:

    "I absolutely hate the simplistic games available on mobile which are all reduced to crap because the UI is always garbage for games IMHO"

    You seem to have conveniently left out the part in bold. 

    The reason I have that Opinion is because I personally do not like the interface at all due specifically to being a touch screen.  I don't think they are well suited to control games.  That's how I feel about it.  Don't go on some tirade as though I'm stating this is a fact that everyone must agree with.
    I don't think I distorted what you were trying to say; wrapping up an argument with 'just my opinion' doesn't change the core of the argument. 

    Not all opinions are equally valid, by the way. I wouldn't expect to have carte blanche to state "the Earth is flat, in my humble opinion" and go unanswered. 

    If you had used more moderate terms, I might not have bothered to reply (go on a "tirade", as you claim). However, you made it clear that in your opinion, all mobile games are "reduced to crap" because the UI is "always garbage".

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. 

    I didn't leave out any part of your post in my initial reply; I quoted it in its entirety. 
  • thekjun1thekjun1 Posts: 10
    NerveGear
    sorry for confusion and not a teen for sure, I started with the DK1 when it first came out, sold it after about 3 months, yes it was new technology but I was disappointed needed more. So I waited, I have always liked the Idea of VR and never gave up hope on it, so when the Gear Vr came out by Oculus I bought 4 of them for my family with controllers but once again we quickly got bored with it, games are more like demo's same old video's but everyone enjoyed the easy access to netflix through the app and it was cool to watch on the goggles, major flaw was the overheating issue that came with the phones trying to run apps we came up with cooling pads that were constantly froze in the freezer worked great. As soon as the CV1 and touch came out I was on board to try it out for sure there is going to be lots of full complete games by now that last more than 30 min to a hour right, there is a few but not as many as I would have expected for Oculus to be out since the DK1, I was Disappointed to see whats in the Store, I want to spend money and I have it to Blow But on what, tired of paying for demo's where's full releases. yes I know there is a few in store and I do have them but it's seems like they are repetitive. I guess what I am saying is I want to play same type of games Xbox and Playstation puts out but in VR not on virtual desktop or Vorpx that converts to 3d, I am looking for full VR in games like Battlefield, Call of Duty, etc... And for as long as Oculus has been around was really expecting a big advancement on games. as far as their Goggles I love how far they have come with those compared to the first ones I had gotten. And as far as people questioning the computer I use, I wasted no money on what to get to make sure Oculus worked right bought me a Alienware with the nividia 1080 above min specs for Oculus. once again not disappointed with Oculus Goggles Disappointed in games and apps really expected more. 
  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 6,766 Valuable Player
    edited January 2017
    @thejun1 - The problem is it's still early days for VR and the other problem is trying to get devs on-board to support VR. It's got to be worth it for a dev team to support VR, because they have to make a profit on the games they sell. I haven't been impressed with the catalogue of games that have been released so far though, so I'll agree with you there.. I think the last one I thought was an excellent VR title was Dirt Rally. Since buying touch I think Dead & Buried is the next best one I've seen. I think it's going to go at a snails pace when it comes to really good games for VR, but I expected that given the amount of headsets they would have to sell to get every dev team on-board making games..
  • hoochyukhoochyuk Posts: 330 Poster of the Week
    Try onward on steam or arizona sunrise both quality games along with many others
  • thekjun1thekjun1 Posts: 10
    NerveGear
    I agree have found a couple of titles that are good, i do play dead and buried and enjoy it, as far as Arizona Sunshine i would like that one more without the teleport feature, just running would do, other than that great game. looking up Onward now, any other games from steam yall would recommend??
  • TwoHedWlfTwoHedWlf Posts: 2,234 Valuable Player
    thekjun1 said:
    as far as Arizona Sunshine i would like that one more without the teleport feature, just running would do, other than that great game.
    So, turn on free movement? :)
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