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Why Steam VR?

xavier4orxavier4or Posts: 21
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Newbie question here - I see several discussion wrt Steam VR games - but trying to figure out what are the advantages?  Are there unique VR games available via Steam that you can't get via Oculus store?

I checked a few of the popular ones and they seemed to be listed both in Oculus store and Steam.

Thanks!
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  • BadDanMEBadDanME Posts: 42
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    You can get many more games on steam vr than in the oculus store.
  • HiCZoKHiCZoK Posts: 230
    Art3mis
    It's just different store. You can make a shortcut to steamvr in oculus home which launches automatically
  • BadDanMEBadDanME Posts: 42
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    Wow, what a fanboyanswer. There are enough good vr-titles on Steam, that are not on the Oculus Store. Also a lot of Vivegames, that run fine on the Rift. 
    But stick to your limited options, if that is what you like most.
  • xavier4orxavier4or Posts: 21
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    Thanks!  Any good Steam VR games to check out that aren't on Oculus store?
  • BadDanMEBadDanME Posts: 42
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    If you are into driving: Assetto Corsa, RaceRoomRacingExperience, rFactor 2, Euro Truck Simulator.

    Some Sportsgames: Eleven Table Tennis VR, Everyday Golf VR, The Golf Club VR, The Thrill of the Fight.

    Different things:  Soundboxing, Redout, Accounting, Belko VR, The Lab
  • lensmandavelensmandave Posts: 74
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    xavier4or said:
    Thanks!  Any good Steam VR games to check out that aren't on Oculus store?
    Check out The Solus Project  :)
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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 8,239 Power Poster
    edited August 12
    BadDanME said:
    Wow, what a fanboyanswer. There are enough good vr-titles on Steam, that are not on the Oculus Store. Also a lot of Vivegames, that run fine on the Rift. 
    But stick to your limited options, if that is what you like most.
    It isn't a fanboy answer, it's the truth. Trying to dismiss his argument with name-calling just makes you look childish and uninformed. Oculus does require more due diligence before publishing in their store, similar to Apple and their App's.

    Personally I do find Steam to be utter garbage; I felt that way before VR came along. I always prefer to buy and own games outside of Steam. That's why I'm happy that Blizzard Entertainment has all their games inside of their own Battle.net client and store.

    I own a small number of VR titles on Steam (5 or so), but I own over 30 in the Oculus Store. If there is a VR game on Steam that I want to own, I will typically wait until it eventually becomes available on the Oculus Store. It has nothing to do with fanboism, and everything to do with Standards. For many reasons I find the Steam experience to be highly sub-par.

    Steam is like the big bargain bin box in the middle of Target or WalMart :D

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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 2,485 Valuable Player
    edited August 12
    There are some GREAT titles on Steam that aren't available in the Oculus Store but not that many. Unfortunately Valve don't curate their Store - AT ALL - and haven't done so for YEARS. The majority of VR games or even games in general on Steam have been godawful.

    I'm developing a VR game that isn't going anywhere near Steam because I don't want my game being lost in a huge sea of shite, particularly because I'm planning on having all of the proceeds going to cancer research.

    As @Zenbane has said it all comes down to Standards and all games in the Oculus Store meeting certain criteria (what they actually call Standards Testing in the industry when you're developing a game for any console). Submitting a game to Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo and now Oculus and passing Standards Testing and Functional Testing is essential to get your game released for those platforms. Lead Testers always hate Standards Testing for some reason but I always found it quite easy.

    You get a checklist and if you think your game passes all of those checkmarks then you submit it to the platform holders. Nothing could be simpler and so many games fail Standards testing. It was thanks to me that the PSP version of Champ Man (can't remember what version it was now!) passed Standards Testing because the Lead Tester working on that SKU was useless at checking these things. It had failed three times I think and any further failures and retesting would have cost Eidos something daft like 20 grand the next time lol. Luckily it passed on the fourth attempt.

    Oculus have a similar thing but even more extreme. If you fail Submission three or four times they ban the developer from submitting any more versions of that game or ANY OTHER GAME WHATSOEVER IN THE FUTURE. :o

    Valve have been doing VR a lot of harm by letting any old crap on Steam as long as it has VR in the title and things haven't improved since they started this Steam Direct thing in June either.
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  • BeastyBaiterBeastyBaiter Posts: 356 Poster of the Week
    No, he is a fanboy. Dismissing all other whatever's without even considering them does make one a fanboy. In any case, OH has precious little stuff on it worth playing. I've enjoyed Robo Recall and might get Echo, Dirt or Project Cars, but the rest seems like nothing but tech demo's or amateur stuff thrown together over a weekend in Unity. Steam has plenty of that junk too, no question about it but it also has some very good VR exclusive and VR optional games such as DCS, IL2:BoS, X-Plane 11, Redout, WarThunder, Onward and tons of others. In fact, pretty much all of OH's games are also on steam, so there's those too. In that case I'd go for cheaper price obviously.
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 8,239 Power Poster
    edited August 13
    No, he is a fanboy. Dismissing all other whatever's without even considering them does make one a fanboy.
    But Steam is being considered... and the conclusion presented is that Steam can easily be avoided for a better option. If you are blind to that argument then that makes you a White Knight who is misusing the label "fanboy."

    Other than Onward and the Lab, most of the Steam games referenced in this discussion are trash compared to experiences like Echo Arena, Robo Recall, and Landfall. To name a few.

    Besides, the title of this thread poses the question: "Why Steam VR?"

    That question is being answered; if you think the answer makes someone a "fanboy" then either you don't understand how questions work, or you're just highly biased towards Steam.


    snowdog said:
    Valve have been doing VR a lot of harm by letting any old crap on Steam as long as it has VR in the title and things haven't improved since they started this Steam Direct thing in June either.
    Exactly! Not even the new VR Skins was enough to keep me going back.
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 2,485 Valuable Player
    You have to be trolling. Lucky's Tale, Robo Recall, The Unspoken, Dead & Buried, The Climb, SuperHOT VR (now also on Steam but the game wouldn't exist if Oculus hadn't funded it), Damaged Core, Edge Of Nowhere, Chronos, The Mage's Tale, Lone Echo, Echo Arena, Wilson's Heart, EVE Valkyrie, Technolust, Dreadhalls and Feral Rites are all full games that are of high quality with decent budgets behind them and high production values.

    Some of those I've listed have also now appeared on Steam but without Oculus and Facebook investing in these developers none of those games I've listed that are now listed on Steam would exist.

    And there's a major release coming every month for the rest of the year. The difference between the quality of the average game on Steam and the average game on the Oculus Store is about as night and day as you can get because Valve let so much shite be on there. Like I've said, it's one reason why I won't let my game anywhere near Steam.
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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 8,239 Power Poster
    edited August 13
    The one game I liked the most that started off on Steam and came over to Oculus Home is Fated.

    But I did prefer to wait until I could get it in Oculus Home. Even still... I only played it once, as the experience wasn't as memorable compared to what I previously enjoyed with Albino Lullaby and Technolust (at that particular moment in time). I've played both those games multiples times; the difference in quality is apparent.
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  • BeastyBaiterBeastyBaiter Posts: 356 Poster of the Week
    CrashFu said:

    So if you're really eager to play some half-assed college-kid projects that were rushed to completion to rip-off better games, then sure, check out Steam VR.  But anything on there that's actually worth playing is either already on Oculus, or soon will be.

    That statement right there is what makes him a fanboy.

    Other than Onward and the Lab, most of the Steam games referenced in this discussion are trash compared to experiences like Echo Arena, Robo Recall, and Landfall. To name a few.

    You may not like the flight sim genre or racing games, but calling them trash is a bit harsh. I don't call Lucky's Tale, The Unspoken, Dead & Buried, The Climb, Damaged Core, Edge Of Nowhere, Chronos, The Mage's Tale, Lone Echo, Echo Arena, Wilson's Heart,Technolust, Dreadhalls, Albino Lullaby and Feral Rites trash just cause I either don't like or have zero interest in them.

    Incidentally, if it weren't for Robo Recall, I'd have blocked OH from even launching when I use my Rift (I haven't found a way to do this without also blocking manual starting). It just doesn't have any games that interest me. If that changes, I'll buy stuff here (assuming fair price). But they have to offer it. Right now they don't and steam does. I don't think that makes me a white knight or a steam fanboy. Incidentally, half the games I play are directly from the dev's webstore, not steam.
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 8,239 Power Poster
    edited August 13
    That statement right there is what makes him a fanboy.

    And this statement is what makes you sound childish.

    You are taking someone's opinion, and due to your inability to offer an intellectual retort, you resort to name-calling, And now you're just repeating yourself as if monotonous repetition is somehow a valid thing :D

    BeastyBaiter said:
    You may not like the flight sim genre or racing games
    I never said I disliked Flight Sims. Re-read what is being said and try again.

    I have a Thrustmaster HOTAS and thoroughly enjoy both Elite Dangerous and Eve Valkyrie. Spoiler: those are flight sims. The stuff you listed isn't worth investing in based on ED and EV, in my opinion. You're welcome to disagree. The point is that we can discuss disagreements about products and services, even using colorful language to express our true feelings. But if the best you can do is name-calling then it seems that you have a very misplaced personal attachment (e.g. White Knighting).


    BeastyBaiter said:
    Incidentally, if it weren't for Robo Recall, I'd have blocked OH from even launching when I use my Rift
    In other words, you're a hardcore Steam fanboy; dear sweet irony.

    I hate Steam but I wouldn't go as far as to block or uninstall it. I have a few games and will suffer through its annoying client and interface.

    Besides, there are die-hard Vive lovers who end up using Revive to play Oculus Exclusives. So whatever you think you are trying to prove with your "I would block OH" doesn't really add up with the overall consensus.

    Robo Recall is fun, but there are so many other titles that are far better. I find it odd that Robo Recall, a Teleportation Game, is the only thing keeping OH running on your PC.
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  • KenSniperKenSniper Posts: 120
    Art3mis
    Might not be relevant for you, but thanks to regional pricing, I buy on Steamvr rather than OH, unless there are exclusives which I wait a really long time for a sale then I would actually purchase it on OH
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 8,239 Power Poster
    edited August 13
    KenSniper said:
    Might not be relevant for you, but thanks to regional pricing, I buy on Steamvr rather than OH, unless there are exclusives which I wait a really long time for a sale then I would actually purchase it on OH
    That is understandable. If someone doesn't mind Steam VR, or even prefers it, then it makes sense to purchase games there instead of OH. Especially if it's the same game only at a lower price.

    Since last year I have stated that I have no problem intentionally paying a higher price just to get my game in OH; because I truly prefer OH instead of Steam VR.

    Although those Oculus sales are awesome. I purchased Defense Grid VR for $10 discounted from $30.

    Everyone has their own preferences; luckily we have enough software floating around to (hopefully) keep us all happy.
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  • kojackkojack Posts: 3,763 Volunteer Moderator
    I'm a big fan of DCS, X Plane and Elite Dangerous.
    Which is why I wouldn't buy them from Steam. All have their own stores where all of the money goes to the developer, rather than giving a 30% cut to Valve.

    I like Oculus Home more than SteamVR. But pricing can be quite different (Oculus tends to charge australians way more than Steam does for the same game. I got Dirt Rally $23au cheaper from Steam). Plus there are some games like Euro Truck Sim 2 that aren't on the oculus store.


  • Adinsx12Adinsx12 Posts: 76
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    Steam VR does have some decent games to be sure (as other has mentioned onward, pavlov, dead effect 2, Karnage Cronicles to name a few) so i wouldnt jump to say that theres nothing worth playing over there that isnt on the oculus store. Perhaps you could lump the Doom 3 BFG mod in that category but that might be a bit generous (still totally worth while tho). Not sure if any of those are coming to oculus store that i've heard of. both OHS and Steam have alot of low quality apps floating around, but steam definitely takes the cake for having the most.
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 8,239 Power Poster
    edited August 13
    I thought about getting Karnage Chronicles but it seems to play very similar to Mage's Tale (Oculus) and Prevent The Fall (Steam). I own both and lean more towards Mage's Tale. Plus, when it comes to RPG's I had the most fun playing Chronos and Crystal Rift.

    Especially Chronos... that game really sets a standard for VR RPG's; so I find it difficult to play anything that doesn't meet or exceed that standard.

    And when it comes to dual-handed combat, I have logged many long hours with The Unspoken. Another game that raises the bar.

    The last VR game I enjoyed on Steam was Phantasma. It is not a AAA game but it was right up my alley with the warped/twisted/puzzle genre. I would have loved it even more if it was on Oculus Home lol
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  • vannagirlvannagirl Posts: 1,477 Poster of the Week


    Incidentally, if it weren't for Robo Recall, I'd have blocked OH from even launching when I use my Rift (I haven't found a way to do this without also blocking manual starting).

    Maybe i can ask

    If you dislike oculus so much why did you buy a rift and not go for full steam support with vive. Vive plays much better with its own sdk in steam just as Oculus does with theirs in home.

    They also both rely on support i.e the customer buying off them to ensure they make money and bring out future generations of VR?

    Just curious
    Look, man. I only need to know one thing: where they are. 
  • BadDanMEBadDanME Posts: 42
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    edited August 13
    Just to make this clear. Of course you can find literally thousands of crap games on Steam, but it just isn´t true, that all of them are garbage and only Oculus hast the good stuff. 
    And that is, what CrashFu was saying. And this just isn´t true. 
    Sure, the fully polished games on the Oculusstore are fantastic, own much here too. But Steam also offers great games. That´s the only thing, that had to be said after CrashFu´s posting. 

    Oh and another plus on the Steamstore, you can refund games, that are crap. 


    [edit] @Zenbane And I was not aware that "fanboy" is something in the namecallingcategory. If I said idiot or something else insulting, I could understand this reaction. Maybe I am expressing myself wrong, because of the languagebarrier. 

  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 8,239 Power Poster
    edited August 13
    Well I think we can move beyond the namecalling stuff. No harm, no foul.

    Regarding this,
    Just to make this clear. Of course you can find literally thousands of crap games on Steam, but it just isn´t true, that all of them are garbage and only Oculus hast the good stuff. 
    And that is, what CrashFu was saying. And this just isn´t true.
    You are misquoting what was stated. Here is a direct quote:
    "But anything on there that's actually worth playing is either already on Oculus, or soon will be."

    That statement acknowledges that Steam has good games. Surely you can see that.

    The point being made, which I agree with, is that Steam does have a few games worthwhile. But many of those worthwhile games are available on Oculus Home right now, and the rest will one day be there.

    Even I stated that when I see a game that I like on Steam, I will purposely wait longer until it comes to Oculus Home.

    Furthermore, personal preference isn't really about truth, right? For example, I found Albino Lullaby to be an amazing experience; whereas some people found it boring. I find Steam VR to be garbage when compared to Oculus Home. But there are many people who have stated that Steam VR is a much better experience. Especially when the update was made to the environment Skins and Steam VR quest mechanics.

    Simply put, I'm not trying to convince someone who likes Steam VR that they like garbage lol

    And as I stated earlier, I have enjoyed some Steam VR games; Phantasma was the most recent.
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  • BadDanMEBadDanME Posts: 42
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    edited August 13
    Of course personal taste always comes in here, and that is a good thing. But I play many games, that are only available on OH and many games that are only available on SVR. I don´t know a way, to tell if the exclusive titles are coming to one or the other platform in future, so why should I not play an available game on the platform that offers it (at least if I don´t know if it will come to my prefered platform)? 
    CrashFu wrote, that all good games are on OH or will be (as you quoted yourself). How does he know that? This and the "So if you're really eager to play some half-assed college-kid projects that were rushed to completion to rip-off better games, then sure, check out Steam VR." part bothered me. 

    [edit] "And as I stated earlier, I have enjoyed some Steam VR games; Phantasma was the most recent." 
    I never said anything against your postings. ;) 
    They were all reasonably written. 
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 8,239 Power Poster
    edited August 13
    There's always a strong chance that Steam games will come to Oculus Home. None of us knows it with 100% certainty unless a developer states as much, but it is a fairly reasonable assertion based on the simple fact that development studios likely want to reach as many consumers as possible.

    The PC-based VR consumer market is still quite small. There's roughly 1-million users if we add up everyone who bought a Vive, Rift and PSVR together. But no single PC-based VR product has 1-million by itself just yet. Thus it is wise for VR software developers to sell their products on both Steam and OH.

    For example, it took nearly a year but Brookhaven finally popped up on Oculus Home. Raw Data is another good example.

    A more recent example is The Rogue Apprentice:
    http://store.steampowered.com/app/517460/SteamHammerVR__The_Rogue_Apprentice/

    It was recently announced on Facebook, by the developer, that Rogue Apprentice will be making its way to Oculus Home soon. This game looks fairly polished and for some of us, it's worth the wait to buy it in OH. Personal preference and such.

    As for the colorful language used to describe rival products... that stems from a year-long history where the role was very heavily reversed. For the better part of a year, this forum was saturated with posts declaring Valve, HTC, the Vive, and Steam so superior that the rest of us must be "fools" and Oculus is on the verge of death :D

    Newcomers to the forum likely don't get the context that comments like that of CrashFu speak from. Don't take it personal. After 13 months of Steam users coming here to say, "Oculus Home sucks, and your little dog too," the dialogue tends to involve a sharp tone.
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  • BeastyBaiterBeastyBaiter Posts: 356 Poster of the Week
    vannagirl said:


    Incidentally, if it weren't for Robo Recall, I'd have blocked OH from even launching when I use my Rift (I haven't found a way to do this without also blocking manual starting).

    Maybe i can ask

    If you dislike oculus so much why did you buy a rift and not go for full steam support with vive. Vive plays much better with its own sdk in steam just as Oculus does with theirs in home.

    They also both rely on support i.e the customer buying off them to ensure they make money and bring out future generations of VR?

    Just curious
    Wanting to block OH from auto launching has nothing to do with disliking it. It would rub me just as badly if steamVR popped up every time I wanted to use OH. I simply prefer more control over what's running.
     
    In any case, I bought the rift for the hardware. OR has better display quality than the Vive at half the price. That seems a pretty good reason to me. There also isn't any real difference in compatibility, nearly every game I care to play is available for both, so that just isn't an issue. It's also worth mentioning that I bought VR to play games I'd already been playing. I bought it for the primary purpose of playing DCS, IL2 and similar games. Anything else worth playing is just a bonus, and I have found a few such gems.

    Although offered on steam but not here, I bought both DCS and IL2 directly from the developers. I don't see either of them ever getting on OH due to their mammoth system requirements for VR. My R5 1600x and GTX 1080 TI run both at only 45 fps most of the time (occasionally see 90 fps, but rare). I had an RX 480 8GB prior to getting OR but had to swap for a 1080 TI since I was getting under 20 fps! Both games a gorgeous in VR though, if you have the system to handle them.

    Other games I've enjoyed in VR are Robo Recall, Redout and Onward. The latter two are exclusively through steam as far as I'm aware though maybe GoG or one of those carries them too. I also have Elite Dangerous, never really cared for it on a 2d monitor a couple years back but I reinstalled through OH by using the redeem key function. It works well but I've since uninstalled it. I didn't find it any more fun in VR than on a 2d screen. The game is just too easy. But as said, that was bought years ago. OR was still just an early dev kit at the time.

    As a final note on this subject, I do want OR to succeed and I know they sold me this bit of kit at cost or possibly even a loss ($400 here). I would buy games from OH as a show of support and the convenience if they had the types of games that interest me. The problem is, they don't, and that seems unlikely to change anytime soon.
  • dburnedburne Posts: 828
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    edited August 13
    vannagirl said:


    Incidentally, if it weren't for Robo Recall, I'd have blocked OH from even launching when I use my Rift (I haven't found a way to do this without also blocking manual starting).

    Maybe i can ask

    If you dislike oculus so much why did you buy a rift and not go for full steam support with vive. Vive plays much better with its own sdk in steam just as Oculus does with theirs in home.

    They also both rely on support i.e the customer buying off them to ensure they make money and bring out future generations of VR?

    Just curious
    Wanting to block OH from auto launching has nothing to do with disliking it. It would rub me just as badly if steamVR popped up every time I wanted to use OH. I simply prefer more control over what's running.
     
    That's easy to do, just set Oculus Home ( OculusClient.exe) to " Run as Administrator".
    It will never auto-launch again, just start it manually when needed.
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  • BeastyBaiterBeastyBaiter Posts: 356 Poster of the Week
    I tried that but then it wouldn't let me launch it as admin either. Probably messed something up though.
  • dburnedburne Posts: 828
    3Jane
    I tried that but then it wouldn't let me launch it as admin either. Probably messed something up though.

    That is odd, it is working well for me. Yeah give it another try, it should work fine.
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  • BadDanMEBadDanME Posts: 42
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    Zenbane said:

    Newcomers to the forum likely don't get the context that comments like that of CrashFu speak from. Don't take it personal. After 13 months of Steam users coming here to say, "Oculus Home sucks, and your little dog too," the dialogue tends to involve a sharp tone.
    Ok, this may explain a lot. I myself am just a member of the VR-family since April this year, so maybe a lack of background information led to my (kind of) overreaction. 

    But to pick up the mentioned small community over all VR ecosystems. That is one more reason to buy from different sources, that offer VR content. To show them, we appreciate that content. 

    I´m sure, if I had a PS4, I would also buy a PSVR and buy stuff from the PSN, too.
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