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VR, Full Body movement and Seizures.

SyrellarisSyrellaris Posts: 1,035
Wintermute
I don't know if any of you caught wind of what happened in VRchat and a player having a seizure. The video of the person having a seizure can be found HERE, together with Rogue Shadow giving his thoughts on the matter and after watching it, I did think about how we could prevent seizures, as well as what to do if players in VR realms witness such an event.

My question to you is however, How do you think developers and players alike could prevent or deal with matters like these?

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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,711 Valuable Player
    Probably avoid using flashing lights and stuff...won't be doing that with my game though because a flashing light every now and then for a survival horror game is pretty much essential lol :D
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,711 Valuable Player
    Hang on. There's a few women on VR Chat! Nobody told me about this before!!!

    @vannagirl you may have competition! :p
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  • MorgrumMorgrum Posts: 1,732 Valuable Player
    snowdog said:
    Hang on. There's a few women on VR Chat! Nobody told me about this before!!!

    @vannagirl you may have competition! :p
    Those are FBI agents and fat guys named Ted in their moms basement.
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  • hoppingbunny123hoppingbunny123 Posts: 875
    Trinity
    edited January 2018
    Thinning of the herd is always sad.  :'(:'(
  • vannagirlvannagirl Posts: 2,009 Valuable Player
    Morgrum said:
    snowdog said:
    Hang on. There's a few women on VR Chat! Nobody told me about this before!!!

    @vannagirl you may have competition! :p
    Those are FBI agents and fat guys named Ted in their moms basement.
    Hahahahahaha

    I spat my glorious first coffee of the day to that 
    Look, man. I only need to know one thing: where they are. 
  • vannagirlvannagirl Posts: 2,009 Valuable Player
    On a serious note that must of been scary 

    Were they seizure sufferers or was it a previous medical emergency??

    Obviously seizures occur in many situations it is something to be aware of in VR and how devs approach their titles in respect of epilepsy

     
    Look, man. I only need to know one thing: where they are. 
  • SyrellarisSyrellaris Posts: 1,035
    Wintermute
    Yeah, I wonder if VR will have more risk of triggering seizures in people then the regular flashing lights and so on would do.
    I also wonder if there is something players can do if they see a person having a seizure in say VRchat or other VR programs you play with others.

    Like should there be an option for players to send an automated distress message to the emergency services in the persons country if that person filled out his or her adress on their account?
  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 5,338 Valuable Player
    ....
    My question to you is however, How do you think developers and players alike could prevent or deal with matters like these?
    Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I had heard a rumor of it happening, but not that the actual attack was caught on film.

    As a developer, we work on employing measures to limit inducing certain conditions - especially on attractions and products for a general audience. Special processes have been in place for many years to reduce the triggering of Photo Sensitive Epilepsy. While "strobing" and extreme exposure have been redressed in many display approaches. 

    To learn that the person in this incident was susceptible to epilepsy answered some questions - though I know that many manufacturers of consumer VR systems are looking at more binding Safety Warning disclaimers, to address possible law suits based on what happened there.

    After the first reported fatality in VR, a lot of the health issues we touched on in the 2014 RTVR feature, will be raised again.
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  • KlodsBrikKlodsBrik Posts: 1,201
    Wintermute
    kevinw729 said:

    After the first reported fatality in VR, a lot of the health issues we touched on in the 2014 RTVR feature, will be raised again.
    Is this the one you are thinking of ?
    http://www.pcgamer.com/man-dies-in-vr-accident-according-to-russian-news-agency/

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  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 5,338 Valuable Player
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  • hoppingbunny123hoppingbunny123 Posts: 875
    Trinity
    My opinion is if they know they have seizures that the burden is on them to guide their health. There should be no watershed kowtow to keep these members of the herd healthy.


  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,711 Valuable Player
    Bloody hell. When I saw the title of the video I was expecting to see carnage lol. That's a few stunt goats right there :o
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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 15,720 Valuable Player

    People have died from Energy Drinks,

    Teenager dies in classroom of caffeine overdose after downing latte, energy drink and Mountain Dew
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/teenager-caffeine-drinking-too-much-davis-cripe-mountain-dew-mcdonald-a-latte-energy-drink-south-a7737926.html


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  • SyrellarisSyrellaris Posts: 1,035
    Wintermute
    My opinion is if they know they have seizures that the burden is on them to guide their health. There should be no watershed kowtow to keep these members of the herd healthy.


    While that may be true and that some responsibility falls on the person as well, I do believe that they are allowed to play videogames just like the rest of us. It really does not take much effort for developers to reduce the chances of inducing seizures.

    When you have a seizure or something else in Public there's plenty of people that will jump in to help when able, why should this be different in a VR online environment?
  • hoppingbunny123hoppingbunny123 Posts: 875
    Trinity
    edited January 2018
    I have done some research into how to make games less traumatic on the brain here:
    https://forums.oculusvr.com/community/discussion/61178/locomotion-for-fps-cod-type-games#latest

    What it involves in reducing the fov to be inside a black border, not necessarily a fisheye circle.
    So the entire display has this black border around it, reducing the size of the picture as a result.

    I have shown in the link this is similar to research done by Microsoft.

    Hmm, the question is if people who might go into some sort of mental trauma will agree to have a reduced screen size and a black border? I think not, I think given the choice to play safe or go whole hog they choose whole hog and go without the black border and reduced screen size.

    Myself I use the Virtual Desktop fisheye standard to watch music videos on. I know the rift can display 60 fov in a perfect black border but this looks ugly to me because its flat. I know the best fov for music videos in the rift is 90, so I found a happy medium, I use 70 for most music videos, up to 80 for other music videos that are flat at 70, but no higher. This lets me see the black border and keep my mind more at ease as a result.

    At 90 for a long time and it is too much without some black border.
  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,711 Valuable Player
    Zenbane said:

    People have died from Energy Drinks,

    Teenager dies in classroom of caffeine overdose after downing latte, energy drink and Mountain Dew
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/teenager-caffeine-drinking-too-much-davis-cripe-mountain-dew-mcdonald-a-latte-energy-drink-south-a7737926.html


    Moderation is key to all things!

    Nonsense!!! It's better to burn out than to fade away!!! B)
    "This you have to understand. There's only one way to hurt a man who's lost everything. Give him back something broken."

    Thomas Covenant, Unbeliever
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