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Japan Display builds 1001 DPI screens for future VR headsets

LZoltowskiLZoltowski Posts: 6,774 Volunteer Moderator
What I find interesting is the fact that it's an LCD, 120Hz refresh rate and 2.3ms response time. Is OLED quickly becoming obsolete as it cannot be pushed in this way?

I know OLED has true blacks, but I find myself wondering if I didn't have the Rift with its OLED screens, would I really be paying attention to the blacks as much as I have on the GO?

https://www.engadget.com/2018/05/11/japan-display-1001-ppi-vr-headsets/
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,479 Valuable Player
    This is why I'm expecting fast-switch LCDs to be used in the CV2. That's partly why the partnership with Xiaomi is so interesting. Unless I'm wrong, Xiaomi manufacture their own displays which is why their mobile phones are so cheap to buy.

    I'm still waiting for those iFixit guys to take an Oculus Go apart so that we can see who manufactures the display in the thing.

    2 x 4K displays from Xiaomi should be pretty cheap for Facebook to sort out I think, assuming that they can manufacture fast-switch displays at that resolution with a 90Hz refresh rate.
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  • LZoltowskiLZoltowski Posts: 6,774 Volunteer Moderator
    snowdog said:
    This is why I'm expecting fast-switch LCDs to be used in the CV2. That's partly why the partnership with Xiaomi is so interesting. Unless I'm wrong, Xiaomi manufacture their own displays which is why their mobile phones are so cheap to buy.

    I'm still waiting for those iFixit guys to take an Oculus Go apart so that we can see who manufactures the display in the thing.

    2 x 4K displays from Xiaomi should be pretty cheap for Facebook to sort out I think, assuming that they can manufacture fast-switch displays at that resolution with a 90Hz refresh rate.

     Yeah, I would be surprised if that was not the case.
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  • LZoltowskiLZoltowski Posts: 6,774 Volunteer Moderator
    edited May 2018
    Atmos73 said:
    I’m really looking forward to the PSVR 2. Hi-res screens, great optics and new controllers and tracking. If anyone’s taking VR mainstream it’s Sony.

    Not quite my point of the thread, but sure :)
    I wanted to discuss OLED vs LCD in this case more.
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,479 Valuable Player
    Atmos73 said:
    I’m really looking forward to the PSVR 2. Hi-res screens, great optics and new controllers and tracking. If anyone’s taking VR mainstream it’s Sony.

    Did you SERIOUSLY put the words SONY, NEW, TRACKING and CONTROLLERS in the same sentence..? lol  :o:D:p

    They did so great with that this generation I'm sure they'll carry on with that awesomeness next generation too :D:D:D
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  • nroskonrosko Posts: 954
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    Blacks in my unit are hideous along with awful smudging are my biggest cv1 grievance. I don't understand how Oled is the best option for VR any games that are at night are ruined for me. So i hope LCD is the way to go personally.  
  • LZoltowskiLZoltowski Posts: 6,774 Volunteer Moderator
    nrosko said:
    Blacks in my unit are hideous along with awful smudging are my biggest cv1 grievance. I don't understand how Oled is the best option for VR any games that are at night are ruined for me. So i hope LCD is the way to go personally.  
    Yeah on the GO, the image is just so much more consistent, on the Rift sometimes a game might use SPUD, or completely ignore it and crush those blacks pretty bad.
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  • nroskonrosko Posts: 954
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    nrosko said:
    Blacks in my unit are hideous along with awful smudging are my biggest cv1 grievance. I don't understand how Oled is the best option for VR any games that are at night are ruined for me. So i hope LCD is the way to go personally.  
    Yeah on the GO, the image is just so much more consistent, on the Rift sometimes a game might use SPUD, or completely ignore it and crush those blacks pretty bad.
    So the GO uses LCD i assume, i was not aware of this.  
  • RoasterRoaster Posts: 1,053
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    From the article ...

    Where does the Rift compare to this?
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,479 Valuable Player
    nrosko said:
    nrosko said:
    Blacks in my unit are hideous along with awful smudging are my biggest cv1 grievance. I don't understand how Oled is the best option for VR any games that are at night are ruined for me. So i hope LCD is the way to go personally.  
    Yeah on the GO, the image is just so much more consistent, on the Rift sometimes a game might use SPUD, or completely ignore it and crush those blacks pretty bad.
    So the GO uses LCD i assume, i was not aware of this.  

    Yup. The Go uses a fast-switch LCD. I'm expecting the Santa Cruz and the CV2 to also have them when they release.
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  • LZoltowskiLZoltowski Posts: 6,774 Volunteer Moderator
    snowdog said:
    nrosko said:
    nrosko said:
    Blacks in my unit are hideous along with awful smudging are my biggest cv1 grievance. I don't understand how Oled is the best option for VR any games that are at night are ruined for me. So i hope LCD is the way to go personally.  
    Yeah on the GO, the image is just so much more consistent, on the Rift sometimes a game might use SPUD, or completely ignore it and crush those blacks pretty bad.
    So the GO uses LCD i assume, i was not aware of this.  

    Yup. The Go uses a fast-switch LCD. I'm expecting the Santa Cruz and the CV2 to also have them when they release.
    It just makes more sense, lower cost, less ghosting, higher DPI, I'm sure they can improve on contrast too. 
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,479 Valuable Player
    Talking of ghosting I've just discovered a Canadian programme on Netflix called Rescue Mediums. It's absolutely fucking hilarious lmfao :o:D:D:D

    And yes, that is completely off-topic but I don't care lol :p
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  • LZoltowskiLZoltowski Posts: 6,774 Volunteer Moderator
    snowdog said:
    Talking of ghosting I've just discovered a Canadian programme on Netflix called Rescue Mediums. It's absolutely fucking hilarious lmfao :o:D:D:D

    And yes, that is completely off-topic but I don't care lol :p

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  • DaftnDirectDaftnDirect Posts: 5,701 Volunteer Moderator
    edited May 2018
    The biggest drive for me wanting an OLED TV are the viewing angles and that’s a non-issue with an HMD, so yeah, switching speed and cost takes prcedence.
    If the lenses in the Go produce much less God rays, they'll also increase the apparent contrast in scenes that are evenly lit as that's all tie-in with the Fresnels. So that's a bigger factor than OLED contrast ratios I think.
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  • nosys70nosys70 Posts: 466
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    Some people who have the iphone X with oled complains of headeaches that they did not with previous LCD screens.

    the reason could be that OLED is sending big bursts of light and that requires very high refresh rates.

    You can imagine that if people complains for a smartphone that is seen at arm distance, what would it be if they stick it on their nose.

  • LZoltowskiLZoltowski Posts: 6,774 Volunteer Moderator
    Ah yes, you have got to love one-upman-ship for the sake of investors. I hope it's true!
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  • Star-lizardStar-lizard Posts: 347
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    Yes thought you'd like it. It's going to be an exciting time for vr if either one works out
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