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Would a bigger television get me back into Pancake gaming?

RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 5,038 Valuable Player
edited October 29 in Off-Topic
I really like VR, but the lack of AAA games is making me feel I also need to get back into pancake gaming. I currently have a 42" television and I'm just wondering if I get a 55" or 65" television, if this will get me more immersed in a game like VR does? Since VR came along I've struggled to get back into 2D gaming and there's some really good pancake games that will never come to VR.

So do you think a lager screen would get me more immersed in a game or not?
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  • LZoltowskiLZoltowski Posts: 6,429 Volunteer Moderator
    A curved ultrawide would be more immersive :)
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  • Techy111Techy111 Posts: 4,999 Volunteer Moderator
    I got a widescreen 4k monitor and am not ashamed to admit I play pancake often, need my COD fix....... ;)
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  • bigmike20vtbigmike20vt Posts: 3,455 Valuable Player
    RedRizla said:
    I really like VR, but the lack of AAA games is making me feel I also need to get back into pancake gaming. I currently have a 42" television and I'm wondering if get a 55" or 65" television, if this will get me more immersed in a game like VR does? Since VR came along I've struggled to get back into 2D gaming and there's some really good pancake games that will never come to VR.

    So do you think a lager screen would get me more immersed in a game or not?
    i have a 70inch 1080p 3D TV and a 65 inch 4k tv with HDR.

    they are ok for non VR games however if you are not enjoying monitor games then i fear they wont help... and for me, they do nothing at all for games which i have played in VR but then try to play on monitor.


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  • Arock387Arock387 Posts: 722
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    yes, its worth having one.  I use a 32 inch 4k HDR10 LG monitor for my PC and I run a 55inch curved 4k HDR10 Samsung for console gaming or for when I get an HDMI cord long enough to send to the TV for movie and controller gaming. 
  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 5,038 Valuable Player
    edited October 29
    Thought I better ask because there's Steam sale coming and I don't want to add more games to my library that I'll never play. I was just debating whether or not to try Metro 2033 & Metro Last Light, just to see if I can get back into it. Any of you played Metro 2033/ Metro Last Light, or would I be best with a game like The Witcher that everyone raves about? That's the last game I purchased on Steam and I haven't even looked at it yet.. Cheers!

    @bigmike20vt - So a 70" screen that is probably the size of one of my walls doesn't get you more immersed? I thought my problem was been able to see the sides of the television..
  • RattyUKRattyUK Posts: 463
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    edited October 29
    I think the Rift is brilliant and enjoy gaming with it - but I also play on my 32" 4k monitor, even ED (the only one currently I have that works on both) gets time split between both.  That way I can still participate in 'real life' with wife/family/dogs most of the time, when the headset goes on 'immersion' wins and the game world is sufficiently distracting...

    I've only a 55" curved 3D UHD TV but have enjoyed 2 player PC / Playstation games with my wife or granddaughter (PC is  the only 4k source though), made even more fun as they both go through the AV system :smiley:

    @RedRizla ; - I've got Metro 2033 on Steam, it's a reasonable game (probably very good - except even on easy I'm not very good at it) that is likely worth having in your collection, I got it in Humble Bundle and do keep going back to it to get better :)
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  • RattyUKRattyUK Posts: 463
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    Just as an aside, aforementioned granddaughter is only 6 and also loves the rift (for roller coasters!) and I'm sure she'll be grabbing it more once she gets the controllers sussed!

    She now insists that my wife's laptop, which has a couple of games she likes on, is plugged into the system and played on 'big' screen...   so, yes, a big screen may refresh your interest.
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  • LZoltowskiLZoltowski Posts: 6,429 Volunteer Moderator
    RedRizla said:
    Thought I better ask because there's Steam sale coming and I don't want to add more games to my library that I'll never play. I was just debating whether or not to try Metro 2033 & Metro Last Light, just to see if I can get back into it. Any of you played Metro 2033/ Metro Last Light, or would I be best with a game like The Witcher that everyone raves about? That's the last game I purchased on Steam and I haven't even looked at it yet.. Cheers!

    @bigmike20vt - So a 70" screen that is probably the size of one of my walls does get you more immersed? I thought my problem was been able to see the sides of the television..

    That is why a curved ultrawide would be much better, it really does add to the immersion ans is the next best thing after VR, because a lot more of your peripheral vision is covered without you having to move your head left and right, it adds to the effect.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/LG-34UC98-Adjustable-DisplayPort-Thunderbolt/dp/B01BFH1AIM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1540823056&sr=8-3&keywords=LG+ultrawide
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  • bigmike20vtbigmike20vt Posts: 3,455 Valuable Player
    edited October 29
    RedRizla said:
    Thought I better ask because there's Steam sale coming and I don't want to add more games to my library that I'll never play. I was just debating whether or not to try Metro 2033 & Metro Last Light, just to see if I can get back into it. Any of you played Metro 2033/ Metro Last Light, or would I be best with a game like The Witcher that everyone raves about? That's the last game I purchased on Steam and I haven't even looked at it yet.. Cheers!

    @bigmike20vt - So a 70" screen that is probably the size of one of my walls does get you more immersed? I thought my problem was been able to see the sides of the television..
    it did before i got VR ;)
    I still do some monitor gaming and for that a big screen is nice but racing games or flight / space sims are ruined for me out of vr now... i fear for ever!. which means if vr should happen to fail this time i am boned as these are my favourite genres.
    i tried (and failed) to get a refund on star citizen because of this.
    (3D gaming is still very cool, but barely anything supports it now.
    uncharted 3 and ICO and Shadow of colloussus 3D on ps3 was great and gears of war 3 on xbox 360 was amazing, despite visually it being piss poor in 3D due to the limited hardware.
    but it is a bit moot now, none of the modern updated counterparts support 3D.
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 5,327 Power Poster
    Well you know what the ladies say:

    Once you go VR you never go flat lol 

    Flat gaming is dead to me since I got my Rift two years ago. It's a bit like riding on a rusty old push bike after driving around in a Porshe lol :o :D
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  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 5,038 Valuable Player
    edited October 29
    @bigmike20vt - Have you tried the Helix mods for 3D gaming? There's a lot of games there you can play in 3D, I've played a few in Nvidia 3D vision and they were good..

    http://helixmod.blogspot.com/2013/10/game-list-automatically-updated.html

    Edit: Yeah, I used to play DCS World a lot on a monitor, but I could never play that or other flight Sims outside of VR now. The scale just totally puts me off with flight sim outside of VR, but I think I could manage things like Metro and the Witcher.

    Seriously, if VR failed now it would ruin my life and I would have to find a new hobby. Maybe take up something like Paintballing or another action packed hobby where I'm there. VR puts you in the game and that would be hard to replace. I just wish there were more AAA games on the way soon.. 
  • Shadowmask72Shadowmask72 Posts: 3,164 Power Poster
    Bigmike have you played any hdr 4k games. Such as Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Assassin's Creed Odyssey. Currently enjoying Red Dead redemption 2 4k hdr on xbox o n e x. Really lovely looking games on my 49" ks7000/8000 (cost about a grand).

    Rizla having choices is always good. What more can I say. We all got by before vr became a thing. 


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  • pyroth309pyroth309 Posts: 442
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    edited October 29
    RedRizla said:
    Thought I better ask because there's Steam sale coming and I don't want to add more games to my library that I'll never play. I was just debating whether or not to try Metro 2033 & Metro Last Light, just to see if I can get back into it. Any of you played Metro 2033/ Metro Last Light, or would I be best with a game like The Witcher that everyone raves about? That's the last game I purchased on Steam and I haven't even looked at it yet.. Cheers!

    @bigmike20vt - So a 70" screen that is probably the size of one of my walls does get you more immersed? I thought my problem was been able to see the sides of the television..
    Both Metros are really good. 2033 is a bit more clunky as it's a very old game at this point but it sets  good foundation. They're like thriller shooters but they have a good story and great graphics. (Get the Redux versions). I've been chomping at the bit for Metro Exodus for years now lol.

    I also agree with those above that a Curved Ultrawide is probably as close as you can get to VR but it still wont' live up. I still play flat gaming at least 50% of the time because of friends.
  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 5,038 Valuable Player
    pyroth309 said:
    RedRizla said:
    Thought I better ask because there's Steam sale coming and I don't want to add more games to my library that I'll never play. I was just debating whether or not to try Metro 2033 & Metro Last Light, just to see if I can get back into it. Any of you played Metro 2033/ Metro Last Light, or would I be best with a game like The Witcher that everyone raves about? That's the last game I purchased on Steam and I haven't even looked at it yet.. Cheers!

    @bigmike20vt - So a 70" screen that is probably the size of one of my walls does get you more immersed? I thought my problem was been able to see the sides of the television..
    Both Metros are really good. 2033 is a bit more clunky as it's a very old game at this point but it sets  good foundation. They're like thriller shooters but they have a good story and great graphics. (Get the Redux versions). I've been chomping at the bit for Metro Exodus for years now lol.

    I also agree with those above that a Curved Ultrawide is probably as close as you can get to VR but it still wont' live up. I still play flat gaming at least 50% of the time because of friends.

    @pyroth309 -  I picked up the Redux versions before seeing your post. I already own the older version but the Redux versions are on sale in Steam for £7.49. Sounds like a real bargain and I just did a YouTube search and see that the Redux versions look much better.

    What type of game is this? Do you collect things for weapons and things or do you just shoot your way through levels?
  • pyroth309pyroth309 Posts: 442
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    edited October 29
    You shoot your way through but you can purchase things/upgrade your weapons at the towns between stages and pick up stuff/weapons along the way. It's a story based shooter.
  • cyberealitycybereality Posts: 26,156 Oculus Staff
    edited October 29
    Metro is an FPS, but it very much has a survival horror aspect to it. Especially the first one, you will be starved for bullets and you have to make every shot count. You can search around in lockers and stuff to find more bullets, and then use the bullets to buy better weapons. The same developers made Arktika.1 and it's in a kind of similar universe. Definitely check that out too in VR if you haven't already.
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  • pyroth309pyroth309 Posts: 442
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    Metro is an FPS, but it very much has a survival horror aspect to it. Especially the first one, you will be starved for bullets and you have to make every shot count. You can search around in lockers and stuff to find more bullets, and then use the bullets to buy better weapons. The same developers made Arktika.1 and it's in a kind of similar universe. Definitely check that out too in VR if you haven't already.
    Cyber summed it up better lol. Been a few years since I've played the Metros and was trying to remember its mechanics and not cross it up with all the other games i've played since.
  • pyroth309pyroth309 Posts: 442
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    Anyway, the reason Metro is one of my favorite series is the story and the atmosphere. It takes place in a post apocalyptic Russia. The Sky is scorched and the survivors are all underground in the Metro tunnels as the surface isn't breathable. You play as a guy named Artyom who is a young survivor. Not going to get into specifics beyond that or ruin anything but, the storytelling and the environments kept me on the edge of my seat for most of the game which is why I used the term Thriller. Survival horror is a better description. It's slower paced than a lot of games so it's not for everyone but I consider both games to be masterworks. 4A games does a great job of conveying the desperation of the situation. The gunplay and the mechanics were a lot less memorable to me than the story and what was taking place.
  • bigmike20vtbigmike20vt Posts: 3,455 Valuable Player
    Bigmike have you played any hdr 4k games. Such as Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Assassin's Creed Odyssey. Currently enjoying Red Dead redemption 2 4k hdr on xbox o n e x. Really lovely looking games on my 49" ks7000/8000 (cost about a grand).

    Rizla having choices is always good. What more can I say. We all got by before vr became a thing. 
    HDR is very nice...... infact i would say HDR is far more an obvious jump than the jump to 4K.  i dont have many HDR games........ 

    Horizon ZD, Shadow of the colossuss and i think Last of us remastered are 3 i have tried.   i probably have a few other HDR titles on PS4.........
    i dont have many on pc tho, its a shame MS decided to hold back HDR on gears of war 4 on PC.  i suppose they had to give the xbox1 X something unique... but it is still lame to artificially hold back games like that.
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  • ohgrantohgrant Posts: 78
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     I've been refusing to game in 2D for decades. I use a 3D DLP projector and Tridef for most face forward games. Flight sims/racing. I had a huge HD TV given to me that I'm replacing with an old IZ3D just so I can experience their 3D game driver again. 
     Those Metro games sound interesting, I may try those. If you weren't aware there is a 3rd party software that renders desktop games to 3D and many games to full VR with touch. Called VorpX, I haven't tried any Metro games with it, but there are game profiles for Metro 2033, Metro Last night and Metro Redux. 
  • pyroth309pyroth309 Posts: 442
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    edited October 30
    Some trailers for your enjoyment. Watch on highest res possible.

    Redux:

    Upcoming Exodus -






  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 900
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    edited October 30
    RedRizla said:
    Thought I better ask because there's Steam sale coming and I don't want to add more games to my library that I'll never play. I was just debating whether or not to try Metro 2033 & Metro Last Light, just to see if I can get back into it. Any of you played Metro 2033/ Metro Last Light, or would I be best with a game like The Witcher that everyone raves about? That's the last game I purchased on Steam and I haven't even looked at it yet.. Cheers!

    @bigmike20vt - So a 70" screen that is probably the size of one of my walls doesn't get you more immersed? I thought my problem was been able to see the sides of the television..

    I have both games, I think I've spent a few hours playing them, then I lost interest (Metro 2033 has that strange Russian feeling to the design, not sure I'm fond of it - then I'd rather play Arktika.1 made by the same team). I do have a large Samsung plasma with only 16 ms. input lag in pc mode - but it doesn't matter. In pancake games you're outside the game no matter what you do, in VR you're inside. I've more or less completely lost interest in pancake games. I even bought Battlefield 1 and Rise of the Tomb Raider last Christmas, waste of money - although I get perfect 60 fps using ultra settings, these games are just beyond boring - compared to my VR games  B)

    (It's because the brain activation and dopamine flow are so much higher in VR - who wants caffeine when you can pure cocaine? Yes, now I've said it :blush:
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  • pyroth309pyroth309 Posts: 442
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    RuneSR2 said:
    I have both games, I think I've spent a few hours playing them, then I lost interest (Metro 2033 has that strange Russian feeling to the design, not sure I'm fond of it - then I'd rather play Arktika.1 made by the same team). I do have a large Samsung plasma with only 16 ms. input lag in pc mode - but it doesn't matter. In pancake games you're outside the game no matter what you do, in VR you're inside. I've more or less completely lost interest in pancake games.
    Fair enough. I am a big fan of the old S.T.A.L.K.E.R. game series and some of the devs that worked on those games formed 4A games. So for me, I felt right at home. I will say Last light had more action than 2033 did. 2033 was a darker and slower paced experience.
  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 5,038 Valuable Player
    edited October 30
    @RuneSR2 - I'm usually capable of making my own decisions in life, but you've just made me feel like I hate playing games on a screen again. Just when others were convincing me it's still good to play on a monitor. Please tell me it's great to play on a monitor :D

    @ohgrant - I thought Tridef had stopped supporting 3D games along time ago? I know you can play Metro with Tridef, but with newer games I thought they didn't support them anymore? I have a Optoma GT 1080 Darbee projector, but how do you get it to play games in 3D, if they aren't made in for 3D? I might start playing them on my projector if I know how to get none 3D games working in 3D?





  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 900
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    edited October 30
    RedRizla said:
     Please tell me it's great to play on a monitor :D


    Of course, if you insist: it's great to play on a monitor!  o:)

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  • LuluViBritanniaLuluViBritannia Posts: 366
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    The advantage of pancake gaming is the games. I don't think you need a bigger TV to take your decision : either you want to play some games that are available only on 2D so you play on your normal TV, or you don't care about the pancake games so you stick to VR. Having a bigger TV or not wouldn't weight a lot on the balance ^^.

    Personally, I gave up on 2D games a long time ago. Pressing buttons for every single action gets very old. The same for the complete automation of many actions (like pulling the pin out of the grenade, automatic in pancake games ; or the famous QTE scenes, which are closer to cutscenes rather than actual gameplay sessions).
    VR is the thing that got me back into gaming because it transforms so many genres. I always hated sim games, but since I got into VR I bought a wheel and a HOTAS and spend a lot of time on E:D and Assetto Corsa. I can't play Guitar Hero anymore since I played Beat Saber. Age of Empire got quickly boring after I bought Brass Tactics. I have a lot more fun on FPS games like Onward or the Battle Royale of Rec Room than on Battlefield or COD.

    I wouldn't say 2D gaming is dead though. Many games can't or won't work in VR, so for those who like these games, 2D gaming is the way to go.
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  • LZoltowskiLZoltowski Posts: 6,429 Volunteer Moderator
    pyroth309 said:
    Some trailers for your enjoyment. Watch on highest res possible.

    Redux:

    Upcoming Exodus -






    Metro games are awesome, had the privilege of playing Exodus at a games conference for 30 mins, it's beautiful, terrifying and I am super excited for it.
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  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 5,038 Valuable Player
    edited October 30
    The advantage of pancake gaming is the games. I don't think you need a bigger TV to take your decision : either you want to play some games that are available only on 2D so you play on your normal TV, or you don't care about the pancake games so you stick to VR. Having a bigger TV or not wouldn't weight a lot on the balance ^^.

    Personally, I gave up on 2D games a long time ago. Pressing buttons for every single action gets very old. The same for the complete automation of many actions (like pulling the pin out of the grenade, automatic in pancake games ; or the famous QTE scenes, which are closer to cutscenes rather than actual gameplay sessions).
    VR is the thing that got me back into gaming because it transforms so many genres. I always hated sim games, but since I got into VR I bought a wheel and a HOTAS and spend a lot of time on E:D and Assetto Corsa. I can't play Guitar Hero anymore since I played Beat Saber. Age of Empire got quickly boring after I bought Brass Tactics. I have a lot more fun on FPS games like Onward or the Battle Royale of Rec Room than on Battlefield or COD.

    I wouldn't say 2D gaming is dead though. Many games can't or won't work in VR, so for those who like these games, 2D gaming is the way to go.

    I see where you're coming from with just pressing buttons instead of doing the actions like you would in VR, but I've never really looked it at like this because I think the action on a screen creates the illusion you are doing these actions. Hard to explain what I mean really, but when I play a game on a monitor I don't think I'm just pressing buttons, I feel like I'm controlling the character and the character is me depending on my immersion. With VR you become the character instantly, but you could easily tell yourself you are not the character like you can on a monitor. You're not really holding a riffle in Onward, it's just an illusion. It's bit like the illusion people get when they are controlling a character and pull out a gun on a monitor. They feel it is they that have pulled out the gun even on a screen.

    Obviously a screen also looks much better then VR for reasons we all know about, so just taken in the scenery is also nice on a monitor while it drags you into a story like reading a book. Unfortunately, I am not able to play on a 27 " monitor though and I can't be certain what puts me off doing this. I found playing on a 42" television much better and this is why I wonder if I go bigger if it will help more..

    Now if nobody understands what the hell I'm talking about, I can only apologise :D
  • jayhawkjayhawk Posts: 610
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    When I was using the DK2 I swore I'd never play flat screen gaming again. Now that's all I do. I'm entirely bored with VR, I've got like 6 games I've bought and never played. Doubt I'll really have much to do with it again until gen2. I do still like to read forums and articles though.
  • SkScotcheggSkScotchegg Posts: 660
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    jayhawk said:
    When I was using the DK2 I swore I'd never play flat screen gaming again. Now that's all I do. I'm entirely bored with VR, I've got like 6 games I've bought and never played. Doubt I'll really have much to do with it again until gen2. I do still like to read forums and articles though.

    What games you into? There's dozens of great games to play right now.
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