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MowTinMowTin Posts: 1,118
Wintermute
I'm looking to switch my 1080p projector to a 4k projector. I needed a 4k Bluray player. PS4 failed to deliver this so I replaced by old PS3 with an XBox One X. Only choice if you're a Home Theater enthusiast.

So, why do I bring this up in a VR forum? Well, I decided to play some Call of Duty Advanced Warfare. It looked great on my massive 133" screen and all but...moving around a controller to aim? Pancake console gaming just feels so primitive now after getting used to holding guns in your hands and pointing and shooting. I can never go back to fiddling around with a thumbstick. 

First person shooters in 2D are totally dead to me now. But third person games (I bought Red Dead Redemption 2) still feel good. 

But of course, flat games have so much more content than most VR games. I can't wait for the day when ports are more common and we have full AAA VR games.

Has VR affected your ability to enjoy certain 2D games you used to enjoy? I'm always thinking, "Boy I wish this were in VR." 

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  • dburnedburne Posts: 1,628
    Project 2501
    Have not played a 2d game since getting my Rift on Jan 15th 2017.
    So yeah I guess it affected me for sure. 
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  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 5,044 Valuable Player
    edited December 1
    Depends what game it is. I like games like Xcom 2, so some 2D games are good. I could also see myself playing Red Dead Redemption 2 in 2D and I like GTA V. But things like Flight sims, I couldn't go back to playing them in 2D. I have a 1080p Projector and heard the 4K ones aren't that much of a difference. I have the Optoma GT1080 Darbee and play 3D games on it. I would never watch a movie again on anything less then a 100 inch screen now :)
  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 5,341 Power Poster
    dburne said:
    Have not played a 2d game since getting my Rift on Jan 15th 2017.
    So yeah I guess it affected me for sure. 

    Same for me, flat games have been dead to me since 21st October 2016.

    I'm also boycotting consoles for the first time ever this console generation. I don't agree with this pay to play online bollocks, even Nintendo are at it now so fuck them all. I'm a proud member of the PC VR Master Race and can't see that changing anytime soon. B)
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  • ohgrantohgrant Posts: 78
    Hiro Protagonist
     2D games, not here, I gave those up ages ago. I play them in 3D with my projector with the Tridef driver for newer games and with the Nvidia 3D driver for old games. Some games that look best with the IZ3D driver I play on my IZ3D monitor. 
     One cool thing about you getting an X-box, There's an app that you can play your X-box games through Oculus.
     I can certainly understand your hesitation to game in flat 2D. I have no intention to ever purposely play in 2D with a controller or mouse and keyboard again. To each their own according to their own tastes. I agree with the rejection of the modern pay to play online only games. 
     Tonight I'm going to let Scraper update on my Oculus PC and install and play Mech warrior 4 and Vengence in 3D on my projector with my old Legacy build. May everyone find their choices as rewarding.         
  • Digikid1Digikid1 Posts: 1,388
    Project 2501
    Great choice. The Xbox One X is the only true 4k gaming console out there. I love mine. 


  • OmegaM4NOmegaM4N Posts: 239
    Nexus 6
    Forza very much needs VR, i recently grabbed Driveclub VR and it is fantastic, GT Sport VR is also cracking for all there is of it, VR does driving and flying games so well it should mandatory on every format....you here me MS, support either WMR headsets or the Rift, i don't care which, just do it!
  • MowTinMowTin Posts: 1,118
    Wintermute
    RedRizla said:
    I would never watch a movie again on anything less then a 100 inch screen now :)
    The funny thing is that it was watching a movie using bigscreen in VR that made me get a projector. Best purchase I ever made. Your own private movie theater that better in every way than going to the movies. 

    Red Dead Redemption looks like I'm playing a movie. One annoying thing about flat games is when you have to press a button to grab someone's had or rapidly tap a button to punch. In VR you could grab someone's hand and punch like you do in real life. 
  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 5,044 Valuable Player
    edited December 3
    @MowTin - Where do you get the Tridef driver from for 3D. When I try to get it it says it's no longer available? Is there anything else that would work apart from Nvidia 3D vision, which I already have for some games?
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 12,264 Power Poster
    Around this time of year I usually play through some 2D PC games. But no matter how good the game is (e.g. overwhelmingly positive reviews on Steam), I find it very difficult to enjoy for longer than 30 minutes at a time. It's a mental battle for me to play for over an hour.

    Even all that extra content that comes from 2D games, compared to VR games, doesn't impress me. I've been gaming since the 80's (Atari, Sega, Nintendo, PlayStation, XBox, PC), so no matter how much content a game throws at me... I've seen it all at some point or another. I need the immersion, presence, and physical challenge that comes with VR. Thumbing around - literally - is a thing of the past.
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  • OmegaM4NOmegaM4N Posts: 239
    Nexus 6
    ^^^Wow, that is a bummer, first time i have heard of VR having such a negative affect.
  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 5,044 Valuable Player
    edited December 4
    I think they ditched 3D to quickly when it came to PC gaming. We have the hardware now for great 3D games with good FPS. You can totally get immersed when you have a large screen and a game in 3D, so it's a shame it came to an end for games even though movies failed to catch on. Yes you can still get modded games, but now that Projectors are moving to 4K, I just hope they don't stop doing 3D projectors too..
  • falken76falken76 Posts: 2,610 Valuable Player
    edited December 4
    MowTin said:

    Has VR affected your ability to enjoy certain 2D games you used to enjoy? I'm always thinking, "Boy I wish this were in VR." 

    VR actually re-ignited my interest in games.  I got board with gaming more than 10 years ago.  I'm not a gamer, I play this thing just enough for it to still amaze the shit out of me more than 2 years after I bought it.  I might use it 3 times a week, but compared to how much I gamed for a decade before I got this, that's a 100% increase.

    It most certainly must effect my desire to play any 2d games.  There was a new 2d Transformers (g1) game that came out last year that was on sale on steam.  I didn't want to lose money on the deal so I bought it.  I still haven't installed it because I'd have to go get the xbox controller out of the rift box and install the drivers, by then I have lost interest and find myself in Onward.

  • Shadowmask72Shadowmask72 Posts: 3,165 Power Poster
    MowTin said:
    Has VR affected your ability to enjoy certain 2D games you used to enjoy? I'm always thinking, "Boy I wish this were in VR." 
    No, not at all. 


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  • OMAW3DOMAW3D Posts: 33
    Brain Burst
    Interesting thread. B)
    I think even before VR came along I was becoming somewhat jaded with 2D games. I have been around a fair while and whilst games have improved in aesthetics and such over the years, the core experience has not undergone a paradigm shift such as VR since the transition into 3D gaming. You hang around long enough and you become less impressed with the recycling that goes on.
    I can still enjoy a 2D game, I still like playing RDR2 for example and I am impressed with its incredibly detailed world but it takes something of that calibre to get me on board these days. What gets me about VR is how even an apparently mundane mini game can grip me in the VR space. I can't tell you how long I have spent just looking at VR objects up close, throwing them about and playing the blaster / target mini game types. This is the relatively early stages of VR too, so I am glad it came along when it did because it means i will be around to experience the birth and maturity of at least two paradigm shifts in video game entertainment.
  • NapagadyNapagady Posts: 28
    Brain Burst
    Where do you buy games for Xbox One ?
  • Digikid1Digikid1 Posts: 1,388
    Project 2501
    Napagady said:
    Where do you buy games for Xbox One ?
    Can’t Tell if that’s a serious question or not......
  • OmegaM4NOmegaM4N Posts: 239
    Nexus 6
    edited December 6
    Napagady said:
    Where do you buy games for Xbox One ?
    You start up your PC and Rift, then start up your XBX, then you start XBX streaming service that will stream your xbox to your rift in theatre mode, then you put your headset on and navigate the XBX dashboard to the xbox store, and then you buy xbox games. ;)

  • SkScotcheggSkScotchegg Posts: 662
    Neo
    MowTin said:
    I'm looking to switch my 1080p projector to a 4k projector. I needed a 4k Bluray player. PS4 failed to deliver this so I replaced by old PS3 with an XBox One X. Only choice if you're a Home Theater enthusiast.

    So, why do I bring this up in a VR forum? Well, I decided to play some Call of Duty Advanced Warfare. It looked great on my massive 133" screen and all but...moving around a controller to aim? Pancake console gaming just feels so primitive now after getting used to holding guns in your hands and pointing and shooting. I can never go back to fiddling around with a thumbstick. 

    First person shooters in 2D are totally dead to me now. But third person games (I bought Red Dead Redemption 2) still feel good. 

    But of course, flat games have so much more content than most VR games. I can't wait for the day when ports are more common and we have full AAA VR games.

    Has VR affected your ability to enjoy certain 2D games you used to enjoy? I'm always thinking, "Boy I wish this were in VR." 
    Mate I would highly recommend you don't go 4k for projectors, a lot of people including me can't tell the difference and I'm afraid you will make this purchase and then regret it and feel you have wasted your money.

    I would stick to 1080p for projector if I was you. 

    And regarding games, I haven't been effected by that, I play Battlefield 5 on PC with keyboard and mouse and I love it, and I play Read Dead Redemption 2 and Spiderman on PS4 and love that too. 

    And of course VR is amazing but it hasn't taken anything away from standard 2D gaming for me personally. I enjoy gaming on all platforms.

    One thing I did notice, after playing Fifa on my projector for past 5 years, when I tried to play it on my PC monitor which is 35" I couldn't play it, it just didn't feel right, it felt too small, but this is an exception, Fifa is the only game I have to play on a massive projector screen over 120". Everything else I'm happy to play on my 35" monitor or my 55" 4k TV.
  • MowTinMowTin Posts: 1,118
    Wintermute
    RedRizla said:
    @MowTin - Where do you get the Tridef driver from for 3D. When I try to get it it says it's no longer available? Is there anything else that would work apart from Nvidia 3D vision, which I already have for some games?
    No idea what you're talking about. I'm not playing RDR2 in 3D. I'm playing it on XBox One X on my projector. 
  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 5,044 Valuable Player
    @SkScotchegg - I'm so glad I got my Projector and I think some people underestimate them. Watching a film on my Projectors 100 inch screen is something else. Now if I try to watch a film on my Tv, it's like watching it on a mobile phone. I used to think Projectors were a gimmick, but I would never be without one now.

    I also agree that the 4k ones aren't worth it, but some are only enhanced 4k Projectors and not proper 4k ones. I'm pleased to see some of the 4k ones still have 3D though, because I'd hate it if they got rid of 3D on Projectors. The 3D on a Projector is on a par with VR Imo.  
  • MowTinMowTin Posts: 1,118
    Wintermute
    Mate I would highly recommend you don't go 4k for projectors, a lot of people including me can't tell the difference and I'm afraid you will make this purchase and then regret it and feel you have wasted your money.

    I would stick to 1080p for projector if I was you. 

    And regarding games, I haven't been effected by that, I play Battlefield 5 on PC with keyboard and mouse and I love it, and I play Read Dead Redemption 2 and Spiderman on PS4 and love that too. 

    And of course VR is amazing but it hasn't taken anything away from standard 2D gaming for me personally. I enjoy gaming on all platforms.

    One thing I did notice, after playing Fifa on my projector for past 5 years, when I tried to play it on my PC monitor which is 35" I couldn't play it, it just didn't feel right, it felt too small, but this is an exception, Fifa is the only game I have to play on a massive projector screen over 120". Everything else I'm happy to play on my 35" monitor or my 55" 4k TV.
    Well, 1080p looks great on my 133" screen except for some long shots and dark scenes. For example, "The Hateful Eight" was shot in Ultra Panavision 2.76:1 aspect ratio. So it's only using about half the 1080p veritically. It looks blurry at times. 

    Also, in Kill Bill the sword fight in the snow and dark. The long shots don't look crisp @1080p and 133". 

    I guess I'll go check out 4K at Best Buy before I buy. 

    Were you disappointed by your 4K projector? 
  • SkScotcheggSkScotchegg Posts: 662
    Neo
    MowTin said:

    I guess I'll go check out 4K at Best Buy before I buy. 

    Were you disappointed by your 4K projector? 

    Not me personally mate, I only have an Optima 1080p 3D DLP projector and I love it, I've had it 5 years now. I was thinking of upgrading to 4k but after reading the reviews on AVforums which is the hard core forums for all things projector, a lot of the users on their that have gone 4k have said they were greatly disappointing and didn't notice much difference if any at all.

    For me personally when I watch a blueray on my 1080p projector the quality is perfect and I've never really watched something and thought this could be better. 

    And I agree with you that 3D is amazing on projectors at home, I showed my parents Avatar in 3D and my mum was like "why is there flys in your room?" and I was like, "mum, that's the film, they're in a jungle scene so the plants and insects are coming out the screen" to which she replied "wow this looks amazing!!".

    I really liked Titanic in 3D also.
  • OmegaM4NOmegaM4N Posts: 239
    Nexus 6
    ^^I have the Viewsonic 1080 3D DLP that is 4 years old, and it is fantastic on my 110in screen, and you are right about 4k, at this time  it is way too costly for a 4k projector, 1080p projectors still have a good few years left before 4k comes down to a price that makes them more popular and we see more competition bring their prices down and with more features. ;)
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