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Family Accounts please!

EispfogelEispfogel Posts: 52
Hiro Protagonist
Let me start by saying that i am looking forward to the Quest and cannot wait for the release!
But there are some concerns about Game Sharing and Accounts

I once installed Oculus Home to test ReVive, but that never really felt good(issues with controllers and performance with Vive and WMR), so i did not buy games from the Oculus Store  - all my games are on Steam.
I now own a WMR Headset, PSVR and the Go. I can play cross platform games together with my family just fine.

Now i want to buy 2 Quests(maybe a third down the line if my SO likes it and wants to join in). Since there is no Cross-Buy between Go and Quest i have to buy everything again. For example - i already have Thumper on PC, PSVR and Go, so i would have to buy it a fourth time and a fifth(and maybe even sixth) time when my son wants that game too.

This will get really expensive down the line, so i would like some form of family accounts at least. 
My son also owns a PS4 and we set up a family account so that he can play the games that i bought and this also includes my SO. We can also play Multiplayer games together.
Please make something like those account for the Quest, because otherwise i don't know if we jump unto the Quest.

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  • ShocksVRShocksVR Posts: 476
    Trinity
    Oculus Quest has CrossBuy with Oculus Rift.

    For most games, if you bought the Rift version from Oculus store, then you'll get the Quest version for free (participation is actually up to developers, but most devs are opting into CrossBuy).
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  • EispfogelEispfogel Posts: 52
    Hiro Protagonist
    edited April 2019
    Yeah Cross-Buy isn't helping me because there is no cross-buy between Go and Quest. I did not use Oculus Home with my Vive or WMR Headset(only tested some games with ReVive), so i have to buy EVERYTHING again.

    Cross-Buy also will not solve the Family Account issue. I still have to buy everything twice or more if i want to play multiplayer games with my family.

    What's even worse about Cross-Buy? If i have the same account on Quest and Rift - i will not be able to play Multiplayer games between Rift an Quest. Family Accounts are a must in this case. 
  • NikorasuNikorasu Posts: 127
    Art3mis
    edited May 2019
    um wtf? did my reply get deleted?
    I was basically trying to say.. they should offer an option on our Quests/Gos, to enable a Guest-user mode.
    Once I get a Quest, one of my family members will probably start using my Go more.. So it would be nice if they could still play all the games/apps on my account, but not using my avatar/onlineID.. So if for example, if I wanna connect with them using an App like BigScreen to watch a movie in VR with them, or play any other cross-compatible online game, they would appear as their own avatar, even tho the headset they're using is still technically on my account. That way we can play together without having to repurchase a lot of software.
  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 6,931 Valuable Player
    edited May 2019
    Eispfogel said:
    Yeah Cross-Buy isn't helping me because there is no cross-buy between Go and Quest. I did not use Oculus Home with my Vive or WMR Headset(only tested some games with ReVive), so i have to buy EVERYTHING again.

    Cross-Buy also will not solve the Family Account issue. I still have to buy everything twice or more if i want to play multiplayer games with my family.

    What's even worse about Cross-Buy? If i have the same account on Quest and Rift - i will not be able to play Multiplayer games between Rift an Quest. Family Accounts are a must in this case. 

    When you buy a playStation game or PC game are you able to have multiple people playing online at once?
  • EispfogelEispfogel Posts: 52
    Hiro Protagonist
    edited May 2019
    Yes - that is what Family Accounts are all about :)
    We 3 can play the same games together. Like Diablo 3. I Can play on my PS4 and my wife and son can play splitscreen(or rather Couch Co-Op) on their PS4. All on the same family account and only i bought the game.
    I have the main account and buy all the games(and have to be Online all the time to play my games on PS4). The other PS4/Accounts can then download games from my account and play it at the same time as i do. 

    You don't want to share that with strangers though as you give them full access to your account - it really is only for Family Members and it works just fine. Something like that on Rift/Quest would be awesome. 

    Another thing that interests me is....can i play between Rift S and Quest on the same account? I guess i have to write to the guys who already received both Headsets like Nathie or VRO to get an answer for that.  
  • pyroth309pyroth309 Posts: 1,576 Valuable Player
    How does the crossbuy work? Is it auto? or is there something you have to initiate?
  • EispfogelEispfogel Posts: 52
    Hiro Protagonist
    edited May 2019
    So i read they look into Multi User Accounts, which is a good thing!
    Until then i hoped for another thing i could do.

    I wanted to set up another account for my son and just buy everything again....BUT i cannot gift games....
    Since i cannot gift games i have o add my payment method to his account - this is not going to happen.

    I really hoped that they add that, but when the store opened for quest i could just buy the games for myself(unless i missed something).

    Please Oculus do something about that i want to play with my son..why do you make it so hard :(
  • FlakMagnetFlakMagnet Posts: 169
    Art3mis

    For most games, if you bought the Rift version from Oculus store, then you'll get the Quest version for free ...
    I definitely wouldn't say "most games". I have a number of games that do not support cross-buy.
  • EispfogelEispfogel Posts: 52
    Hiro Protagonist
    So i just collected some more Threads from Reddit Users and a link to the latest f.reality podcast which are showing that we really need Family Accounts/Multi User Accounts:

    Reddit:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/OculusQuest/comments/bsuxk4/multiple_headset_frustration/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/OculusQuest/comments/bsxjqo/family_accounts_game_sharing/

    F.Reality Podcast(Timestamp: 1:16:13)


    So you can see there is a real demand for that. And this is also something you need when you target 1 billion sold Headsets, because for now i only bought one, because i don't have use for a second and third when i cannot share games/gift games and change users.
  • cjesqipcjesqip Posts: 2
    NerveGear
    edited September 2019
    Dear Oculus,

    If you permit sharing with family members, I'll buy one or two additional Quests for my three kids and wife.

    If you don't enable that, like other content providers (Amazon, Google, etc.) I'm less sure about multiple Quests at my house.
  • drummosdrummos Posts: 1
    NerveGear
    Piling on. Please add family accounts. I can see maybe having to get a separate headset for everyone but having to buy the same game three times because there are three of us is overkill. We can't really afford that. At least make it a clear callout before the headset and games are bought so consumers know before they buy the situation.
  • pixelomanpixeloman Posts: 1
    NerveGear
    I guess nobody of oculus ever read these demands. I'm going to sit this out out and see what the competition is going to do in response to the quest. It is not going to take long I think. Than sell the oculus second hand, to get a family-friendly system. In the meanwhile, we stick to the short games, and reset when the next one plays... This limits the choice, but keeps the peace.
  • ale4kingale4king Posts: 1
    NerveGear
    edited November 2019
    Well i think the developers are simple not old enough to have own kids in an age where the Quest come into account.
    Or they all have heaps of money to buy 3 or 4 Oculus Quest for the family... and any game 3 or 4 times. 
    Sorry, as a singledad i have limited resources. And buying more than one Quest simply is beyond my scope.
    Any other "console" is capable of doing the "multi-user" job. It is simply disappointing.

    Anyway a workaround might be that any games have "slots" to store individual progress.
    So that you can pick your own "slot" when loading the program. That would be sufficient for most families.
  • NunyabinezNunyabinez Posts: 31
    Brain Burst
    I'm sorry, but people are being unreasonable and are going to be severely disappointed.

    First of all, why would I as a developer give a crap about that Facebook would sell two more Quests without me getting any more revenue for the two new people playing my game. You people realize that Facebook isn't the only one making games for the quest. So, there is no way in hell that we are going to get a buy once, share with your "family" multiplayer. What would stop you from buying one copy and playing simultaneously with 10 of your friends resulting in 9 lost licenses to developers. And to be fair, 10 people are enjoying it, so why shouldn't they each be paying for their experience?

    What is reasonable, is that Oculus create the ability to have sub-accounts. So my son could log into my Oculus account and his sub-account to have his own achievements, etc. But I wouldn't be able to log on with another headset and play multiplayer with him, because we are sharing one license. Just like the way Steam works, when you log on somewhere else, it logs you off the other machines.

    Also, we should have the ability to switch main accounts, so that I could let my son switch to his main account to play games that he owns. The ones that are loaded but not purchased by the other person are simply disabled. That way two people could share hardware.

    That is what is reasonable. I would have liked to not have to pay a second time for Beat Saber on my Quest after buying it on Rift, but I understand that the developers had to do extra work to get it to work on Quest and I'm not about to ask people to work for free just because I want to save some money.
  • cmarcanocmarcano Posts: 1
    NerveGear
    Well I am going to have agree somewhat with Nunyabinez, although traditionally buying a game in a box meant you owned it and could often install it on a couple of computers. Buying a DVD movie meant you could show it to multiple members of your household and friends and buying music Cds could be played by anyone. The digital age finds us paying less for downloadable content often under$20 for highly sophisticated VR immersive and environments and games with a numbr of them offered for far less during special sales. I found this thread looking for a way to do exactly what most people are asking here for a family account but after seeing how Nunyabinez explained it and being a content creator myself I can appreciate the logic, particularly given the lower price being paid for some pretty fabulous VR content. If we expect the industry to thrive offering lower priced applications I think I can see now that it makes sense to have multiple accounts for multiple players or we risk losing the evolution of VR for lack of support for the content creators.
  • Artist3dArtist3d Posts: 23
    Brain Burst
    edited December 2019
    ditto that, support VR content creators! But yeah, multiple login options in a single game on a single VR headset please, so we can compare scores.
  • SassyMustang1980SassyMustang1980 Posts: 1
    NerveGear
    would love sub-accounts for family members,  I myself and my husband and child would like to have sub-accounts.. not seperate accounts so we can keep tabs on our own scores.. having to buy a game twice because of seperate accounts is stupid and not even Steam does that, or any other game console, so why should the VR world be any different,  give us the option to have sub-accounts for multiple family members..  thats all most of us are asking for. 
  • PrimeQPrimeQ Posts: 1
    NerveGear
    What might have been the best gift of the year will be a dust collector without family sharing/multiple accounts. Sad.
  • Rokker72Rokker72 Posts: 2
    NerveGear
    I'd like multiple account too, as most (all?) other console (PS, Xbox, Nintendo......)
  • zerocool1028zerocool1028 Posts: 41
    Brain Burst
    They're not gaining or losing sales by not having this. Most households aren't gonna buy a second to have two accounts. There's no reason we should have sub accounts on our main one. Would be nice for setup etc. Would make it an easier experience to share. 3 of us play here.
  • LAGR0SLAGR0S Posts: 1
    NerveGear
    I haven’t even received my quest yet and I’m already disappointed. I don’t expect game sharing with my entire family tree but at least the capacity to create multiple profiles with their own save progress and achievements. Can’t think of many services that don’t provide something so basic. From every single console I own to streaming services.
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