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ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,092 Valuable Player
edited May 3 in General
While the current rhetoric revolves around hardware specs of the latest round of VR HMD releases, I'm actually a bit more interested in how the VR Industry itself is about to evolve.

We are going from this:



To this:


At the Industry level, this is quite the breakthrough! Granted, at the consumer prosumer enthusiast level, the self-contained VR Hardware kits still leave something to be desired for those wanting the highest end experiences. But if the evolution of the Desktop to Laptop to Smart Device taught us anything... it's that it won't be very long before VR falls in line as well. And we've come this far in only 3 years!

I'm actually rather exciting about the overall evolution itself. <3
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 6,732 Valuable Player
    I won't be satisfied until we can jack in, Neuromancer-style  B)
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  • ParadoxAnomalyParadoxAnomaly Posts: 90
    Hiro Protagonist
    @Zenbane ;

    I think you’re comparing Apples to Oranges there. You are comparing PCVR to a Standalone.

    Not only that, you missed out a bit of PCVR history there because we already have this.

    TPcsst



    And this Vive Pro Wireless Kit.



    HTC already has this for Vive Focus



    So so there is no about to evolve it’s already evolved.
  • BeastyBaiterBeastyBaiter Posts: 788
    3Jane
    It's more a matter of going from this:



    To this:




    That's still a big deal. I feel pretty comfortable in saying the Quest is a true second gen mobile VR. Go and Gear are, by definition, first generation consumer grade mobile VR devices. The addition of proper tracking and hand controllers makes the Quest a fundamentally different experience compared to prior stand alone devices. I'm still not interested in it, I like my eye candy a bit too much but I admit it's a major advancement.


  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 6,732 Valuable Player
    @Zenbane ;

    I think you’re comparing Apples to Oranges there. You are comparing PCVR to a Standalone.

    Not only that, you missed out a bit of PCVR history there because we already have this.

    TPcsst



    And this Vive Pro Wireless Kit.



    HTC already has this for Vive Focus



    So so there is no about to evolve it’s already evolved.

    Can you buy the HTC Focus anywhere apart from the Far East yet?
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  • CrashFuCrashFu Posts: 1,756 Valuable Player
    I don't have photos, but even going Rift-S compared to any previous-gen VR system is like...   Cables ****ing EVERYWEHRE vs.   one single cable.

    Which, if nothing else, will make my studio apartment look a lot neater, lol.
    It's hard being the voice of reason when you're surrounded by unreasonable people.
  • ParadoxAnomalyParadoxAnomaly Posts: 90
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    snowdog said:
    @Zenbane ;

    I think you’re comparing Apples to Oranges there. You are comparing PCVR to a Standalone.

    Not only that, you missed out a bit of PCVR history there because we already have this.

    TPcsst



    And this Vive Pro Wireless Kit.



    HTC already has this for Vive Focus



    So so there is no about to evolve it’s already evolved.

    Can you buy the HTC Focus anywhere apart from the Far East yet?
    It’s on Amazon.co.uk

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/HTC-FocusBlue-VIVE-Focus-Electric-Blue1/dp/B01N43KXB2/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?keywords=vive+focus&qid=1556934390&s=gateway&sr=8-2
  • bigmike20vtbigmike20vt Posts: 3,821 Valuable Player
    edited May 3
    Screw this forum software!!!!
    Message deleted!
    Fiat Coupe, gone. 350Z gone. Dirty nappies, no sleep & practical transport incoming. Thank goodness for VR :)
  • bigmike20vtbigmike20vt Posts: 3,821 Valuable Player
    edited May 3

    @zenbane You are definitely not alone and in principle I agree with you. People like Carmack are already fully on board with mobile and it is the future... However untill it works well outside or untill the tech improves to the point that it gives a pc comparable experience I am not prepared to give up my PC teather . Super cool that you are excited about it. Nothing I have seen so far has set the world alite pc based or standalone fore  compared to my CV1 esp since learning quest is an indoor device.

    I am inclined to agree with @ParadoxAnomaly I look at the evolution to be more about the Go to the quest (even tho they will co-exist) rather than rift to quest.

    I do look forward to a no compromise device capable of both however
    Fiat Coupe, gone. 350Z gone. Dirty nappies, no sleep & practical transport incoming. Thank goodness for VR :)
  • KlodsBrikKlodsBrik Posts: 1,184
    Wintermute

    CrashFu said:
    I don't have photos, but even going Rift-S compared to any previous-gen VR system is like...   Cables ****ing EVERYWEHRE vs.   one single cable.

    Which, if nothing else, will make my studio apartment look a lot neater, lol.
    You mean something like this:

    Be good, die great !
  • KlodsBrikKlodsBrik Posts: 1,184
    Wintermute
    edited May 4
    @Zenbane ;

    I think you’re comparing Apples to Oranges there. You are comparing PCVR to a Standalone.

    Not only that, you missed out a bit of PCVR history there because we already have this.

    TPcsst



    And this Vive Pro Wireless Kit.



    HTC already has this for Vive Focus



    So so there is no about to evolve it’s already evolved.

    More importantly Quest got this:





    And it doesn't need this:

    Enthusiasts have been lucky for the last couple of years having had VR to fool around with, now vr have evolved so far that the general public will also be able to enjoy it and it will go mainstream.

    I embrace it wholeheartedly !

    Be good, die great !
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,092 Valuable Player
    @Zenbane ;

    I think you’re comparing Apples to Oranges there. You are comparing PCVR to a Standalone.
    No, I'm not comparing Apples to Oranges, nor am I comparing PCVR to Standalone.

    Read this part again:
    But if the evolution of the Desktop to Laptop to Smart Device taught us anything... it's that it won't be very long before VR falls in line as well.

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  • LuciferousLuciferous Posts: 1,998 Valuable Player
    edited May 4
    Would like a wireless option for the Index. If I am going for it another 300 wouldn't matter.
  • pyroth309pyroth309 Posts: 1,548 Valuable Player
    Would like a wireless option for the Index. If I am going for it another 300 wouldn't matter.
    Ditto. I'm sure we will definitely get one since the HTC Vive wireless adapter works on the Vive Pro which has similar panels. Might get restricted to 90hz though.
  • kzintzikzintzi Posts: 1,068
    Wintermute
    I can see the current line of stand alone VR devices evolving over time into AR as the tech improves, gets lighter and has better batteries (laptop=>tablet/smartphone), and I see the PC based VR devices continuing to be around and always being the hardcore/high performance end of the spectrum regardless (486-DX4120 => i7) - it'll just end up being "full immersion" or whatever the current high end tech is at the time that you can't do with the Yoyodyne headmaster7000(tm).

    when consoles started to "get good" (not looking to have a debate about when that happened - I'm going to say that was the original Playstation, as I remember being blown away compared to anything earlier) they said that the home PC game market was over, but it's been 20+ years now since I read that in a magazine, I'm still playing games on a PC, and I don't actually like playing games on consoles.

    Though you are more than slightly incoherent, I agree with you Madam,
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  • CrashFuCrashFu Posts: 1,756 Valuable Player
    @kojack -  tfw  you wanted to be a VR Trooper but ended up a Big Bad Beetle Borg instead.  :disappointed:

    (I was SO into that show when I was a kid.  Beetle Borgs, I mean. Ironically, I always thought VR Troopers was kinda boring.)
    It's hard being the voice of reason when you're surrounded by unreasonable people.
  • BeastyBaiterBeastyBaiter Posts: 788
    3Jane
    Zenbane said:
    @Zenbane ;

    I think you’re comparing Apples to Oranges there. You are comparing PCVR to a Standalone.
    No, I'm not comparing Apples to Oranges, nor am I comparing PCVR to Standalone.

    Read this part again:
    But if the evolution of the Desktop to Laptop to Smart Device taught us anything... it's that it won't be very long before VR falls in line as well.

    Well, my nearly 2 year old desktop with an i7-8700k and GTX 1080 Ti absolutely smokes my 2 month old laptop with an i7-8750H and RTX 2070 and both crush my 4 month old android phone. Mobile will never catch up to laptops and laptops will never catch up to desktops. The reason is the bigger and heavier you can make something, the more capable it can be made. Sure, mobile will eventually catch up to today's laptops and desktops, but by that standard the Quest is already more capable than that first gaming PC I built back in 2000-something. I don't think that's relevant.

    But as said, the Quest is very impressive compared to the Go and Gear VR.
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,092 Valuable Player
    Well, my nearly 2 year old desktop with an i7-8700k and GTX 1080 Ti absolutely smokes my 2 month old laptop with an i7-8750H and RTX 2070 and both crush my 4 month old android phone.

    That's nice, but I think you missed the point. When you say things like "smokes" and "crush" what are you referring to exactly? I can see where the differences are centered around mostly "speed" but not so much capability. What is it that you think you can do on a desktop that you cannot do on a laptop? Be specific about capability.

    Mobile will never catch up to laptops and laptops will never catch up to desktops.

    Except that they already did. In your example above, all you did was bring up an Android Phone. I'm not talking about phones, read my quote again:

    But if the evolution of the Desktop to Laptop to Smart Device taught us anything... it's that it won't be very long before VR falls in line as well.

    Here's some info to help clarify:
    The computing power of a flagship smartphone generally rivals the best laptops and desktop computers of about five years ago. However, with the aid of multiple processors, 6+ gigabytes of RAM, and powerful graphics hardware, the best smartphones and tablets can be as powerful as a mid-range desktop computer.

    https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch001398.htm

    In fact, as of today: the Traffic on Mobile Devices has officially surpassed the traffic coming off of both Desktops and Laptops for consumers:

    So in terms of computing power and capabilities, Smart Devices have caught up from a 5 year window. In terms of global traffic, Mobile Devices surpass everything else. And this is important because this fact is what is driving Mobile Computing forward. We're even getting Quantum Computing:

    but by that standard the Quest is already more capable than that first gaming PC I built back in 2000-something. I don't think that's relevant.

    Of course it is relevant. We were talking about computing as it exists in the Industry and on this Planet, not as it exists in the exact Desktop, Laptop, and Android Phone that you decided to purchase for yourself personally. Your personal examples lack the relevance. I'm speaking to Industry and the Globe.

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