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RX 5700 (XT) vs. RTX 2070 & 2060 (Super) vs. GTX 1080 (Ti) vs. RTX 2080 (Ti)

RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 5,593 Valuable Player
In 1920x1080 we got the following average scores based on more than 20 games:



Or we could cut the cake like this - keeping everything relative to the 2080 Ti:

RTX 2080 Ti = 100 %
RTX 2080 =  86 %
RTX 2070 Super = 81 %
GTX 1080 Ti = 79 %
RX 5700 XT = 74 %
RTX 2070 = 73 %
RTX 2060 Super = 70 %
RX 5700 = 65 %
GTX 1080 = 63 %
RTX 2060 = 63 %

Or RTX 2080 Ti is 60 % faster than both GTX 1080 and RXT 2060...

In 4K we've got:



Or keeping everything relative to the 2080 Ti:

RTX 2080 Ti = 100 %
RTX 2080 =  79 %
RTX 2070 Super = 73 %
GTX 1080 Ti = 72 %
RX 5700 XT = 64 %
RTX 2070 = 64 %
RTX 2060 Super = 62 %
RX 5700 = 56 %
GTX 1080 = 54 %
RTX 2060 = 53 %

Or RTX 2080 Ti is 86 % faster than GTX 1080 and 88 % faster than RXT 2060, but still not fast enough to ensure that 45 fps are turned into 90 fps if you've got a GTX 1080 or RTX 2060. 

Source: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt/
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 5,593 Valuable Player
    Power:


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  • Techy111Techy111 Posts: 6,736 Volunteer Moderator
    So all that means I should be happy with my 2080TI right ? lol ;)
    A PC with lots of gadgets inside and a thing to see in 3D that you put on your head.

  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 5,593 Valuable Player
    Techy111 said:
    So all that means I should be happy with my 2080TI right ? lol ;)
    Of course  B)
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 5,593 Valuable Player
    Also RX 5700 XT isn't doing bad by any means, and I think it's priced rather cheap - like $400. Power consumption isn't that bad too. But unless you've got a GTX 1060, similar or worse 5700 XT probably isn't an interesting option. The important thing is that 5700 XT illustrates that AMD still is a player in high-end PC graphics. And may help Nvidia to reduce princes - let's hope we'll see a 5800 XT soon  ;)
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 5,593 Valuable Player
    edited July 2019
    Maybe the ground is starting to shake, feels like something big is approaching  B)RX 5950 XT:o  

    Sapphire registers Radeon RX 5500, 5550 5600, 5800, 5850 and 5900 XT graphic cards 

    by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 07/03/2019 05:19 PM | source: portal.eaeunion.org | 27 comment(s)
    Sapphire registers Radeon RX 5500 5550 5600 5800 5850 and 5900 XT graphic cards

    Actually, they registered a bunch more but I ran out of space for the topic title. Anything and everything NAVI is coming. In a few days, the RX 5700 series will be unleashed. But that didn't stop Sapphire to register a bunch of products.

    Sapphire has registered trademarks for several 5000 series video cards with the EEC (Eurasian Economic Commission). Where the RX 5700 (XT) is prone to be released, the new product names will represent both more expensive and cheaper models. The new names range from RX 5500 (XT) and RX 5550 (XT) to the RX 5900 (XT) and the RX 5950 (XT), with a total of 19 new versions. Funny fact; a Radeon RX 590 is also listed, this gpu has been around for a while.

    Previously, three other graphics processors named Navi 12, 14 and 21 have already been spotted inside drivers for the Linux operating system. Now, AMD's partner maker Sapphire may have given yet another indication that the RX 5700 and RX 5700 XT will get a set of brothers and sisters. At the Eurasian Economic Commission (EEC) , Sapphire has registered trademarks for a total of 20 different graphics card models in addition to the RX 5700 and RX 5700 XT, incl product names from RX 590 to RX 5550 XT, RX 5800 XT and RX 5950 XT.


    Source: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/sapphire-registers-radeon-rx-55005550-560058005850-and-5900-xt-graphic-cards.html

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  • jabjab Posts: 241
    Nexus 6
    edited July 2019
    Well if nothing else, the benchmarks are telling me that I should keep my 1080ti for now.
    But I am very happy that I went for AMD Ryzen instead of Intel on my latest machine.
  • lensmandavelensmandave Posts: 365
    Trinity
    jab said:
    Well if nothing else, the benchmarks are telling me that I should keep my 1080ti for now.
    But I am very happy that I went for AMD Ryzen instead of Intel on my latest machine.
    Yeah, it's a very capable card :)
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,639 Valuable Player
    Cut The Cake?



    Love that band B)
    "This you have to understand. There's only one way to hurt a man who's lost everything. Give him back something broken."

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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 5,593 Valuable Player
    edited August 2019
    I think something big has just been confirmed from AMD, so we can expect new high-end flagships from AMD (I just hope they don't break the 500w - hopefully this can lead to a price war regarding high-end video cards like the 2080Ti (Super):

    Hans Mosesmann


    “Great, And can you give us a sense if you can on 7-nanometer high-end Navi and mobile 7-nanometer CPUs, if you can? Thanks.”


    Lisa Su


    “Hans, you asked the good product questions, I would say they are coming. You should expect that our execution on those are on track and we have a rich 7-nanometer portfolio beyond the products that we have currently announced in the upcoming quarters.”


    Source: https://wccftech.com/amd-ceo-7nm-navi-high-end-graphics-cards-and-4th-gen-ryzen-cpus/

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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,639 Valuable Player
    I'd love to own an AMD GPU again!
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 5,593 Valuable Player
    edited August 2019
    Had the Hercules 3D Prophet Radeon 9700 Pro (fastest card for Doom3 back then) and HIS X800XT IceQ2 (fastest and most silent card for HL2 back then), but always preferred Nvidia drivers. But yeah, if the performance, noise levels and power consumption are right...

    Man, is that really 15 years ago, sigh... And we're still waiting for HL3... Still love that box, here from 9700 non-pro, but the pro box was similar :)


    For those who have long forgotten the old Doom3 king:


    - and the king of Half-Life 2 at launch:
    Image result for x800xt ice q 2

    BTW, this is an image showing how much ATi dominated with the Radeon X800XT PE, when Half-Life 2 arrived:



    The scores are average scores (Radeon X800XT set to 100%) based on Half-Life 2 benchmarks using 1600x1200 + 4x antialiasing + 8x anisotropic filtering (results made and published by Firingsquad, XBitLabs, DriverHeaven and more). 
    I think this was the last time Radeon really dominated, and it may take a tremendous amount of effort for AMD to get Radeon back on the throne. These results are from 2004. 
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,639 Valuable Player
    I had a Powercolor HD4870 2GB for YEARS. Really did punch above its weight due to having twice as much VRAM compared to most other cards at the time.
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  • Techy111Techy111 Posts: 6,736 Volunteer Moderator
    HD7970 eased me into VR with the DK2 until I got a 980 ;)
    A PC with lots of gadgets inside and a thing to see in 3D that you put on your head.

  • hoppingbunny123hoppingbunny123 Posts: 873
    Trinity
    edited August 2019
    you want to compare pixel fill rate, see video details for more details;


    GTX 1060 6GB = Memory 6144 MB, GDDR5, Bandwidth 196608 MB/sec, Power (Max TDP) 120 watts

    RX 5700 (XT) = Memory 8096 MB, GDDR6, Bandwidth 458752 MB/sec, Power (Max TDP) 225 watts

    RTX 2060 super = Memory 8192 MB, GDDR6, Bandwidth 458752 MB/sec, Power (Max TDP) 175 watts

    RTX 2070 super = Memory 8192 MB,  GDDR6, Bandwidth 458752 MB/sec, Power (Max TDP) 215 watts

    GTX 1080 (Ti) = Memory 11264 MB, GDDR5X, Bandwidth 495616 MB/sec, Power (Max TDP) 250 watts

    RTX 2080 (Ti) = Memory 11264 MB, GDDR6, Bandwidth 630784 MB/sec, Power (Max TDP) 250 watts


    you can see here the 2080ti has more ram, more bandwidth, and more power.

    i find after watching msi afterburner the gpu used is equivalent to the power used, not exactly but theres a close equivalence, so the power draw on the videocard relates to the power the gpu can work at.

    then note the low power of the 2060 super, but because it has 100MB more memory than the 5700xt it performs better than it would if it had the same amount of memory. meaning the only real difference between the 2070 super and 2060 super is the amount of power used which relates to this article;

    note the temperature difference between the 2060 super and 2070;


    2060 super = 72C, 2070 =  79C

    they show the 2070 is being converted to the 2060 super;

    probably by lowering the temperature from lowered power used. something like msi afterburner that limits the max temperature and power used, in firmware.

    then they ramped up the power to make the 2070 super.

    so if your looking for the new gpu look at the info i gave above and make an informed decision.






  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 5,593 Valuable Player
    edited August 2019
    Unfortunately technical specs don't always translate into real world performance - that's why you need results from a lot of different games to get an idea how different video cards perform in the real world. Also video cards perform differently in games, so you need many games to get reliable results - not just 5 games. You may also need to test different resolutions - because 4K results may not translate well if you use a 2K monitor etc. 
    I'd never rely on technical specs for power consumption too - again different cooling systems, different overclocks etc. may cause two 2080 cards to behave quite differently in the real world. 
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  • hoppingbunny123hoppingbunny123 Posts: 873
    Trinity
    the scientific method starts from an observation thats then proven step by step. what i showed was science.

    your observation to falsify my observation is just an observation not disproving my proof.



    if your observation disagrees with experiment its wrong, and im right.
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