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Oculus Unfriendly to Families - Oculus Please Fix This

TugennovTugennov Posts: 6
NerveGear
I just got an Oculus Quest for my family of 5.  I was very disappointed to discover that you can only have one account on each device.  Moreover, in the (limited) number of games that I've tried so far, there are not multiple save files for the games.  So, effectively, this means that only one person can play a game at a time and not until that person has completed the game can the next person start playing the game or else the original player's game file will get copied over.  This is very unfriendly for families.  Maybe Oculus is trying to get us to buy multiple Quests, one for each family member, but we don't have that sort of money and most families don't.  This approach has already resulted in a negative vibe towards the system among a couple of my kids.  Oculus, I hope you change your approach and allow multiple accounts on a single quest (with game sharing) or at least require game developers to put several save game slots on their games.  This also is a problem on the Oculus Go that needs to be fixed.

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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,108 Valuable Player
    Excellent sensationalist headline.

    This has been how the platform has worked since the Rift CV1 was released back in 2016. One account per user. Even Netflix makes you pay more to allow multiple people to use your Account.

    As for the "number of save game" slots, that is controlled by the Developer of the game, not Oculus. So contact them directly.

    Lastly, you don't really have to buy multiple headsets... you just need to learn how to Take Turns. Which is what good families do!
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  • TugennovTugennov Posts: 6
    NerveGear
    The goal is to make sharing and taking turns easier.  Xbox, PlayStation, Nintendo all allow many users on one console device.  Steam allows you to share games within a family.  Apple on iOS allows you to share purchased apps and music within a family.  Multiple users can use Netflix on one TV at no extra cost.  Oculus can require developers to have multiple save files for content released on Oculus platforms.  


  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,108 Valuable Player
    Tugennov said:
    Oculus can require developers to have multiple save files for content released on Oculus platforms. 

    This is not something Oculus should impose. And those VR games that don't have multiple Save files implement it the exact same way on Steam. So this isn't something specific to Oculus at all.
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  • grayhazegrayhaze Posts: 18
    NerveGear
    Multiple user accounts are currently the second most requested feature on Oculus' UserVoice, so there's clearly a desire for this feature from the masses, myself included. Letting someone try the Quest and being able to start an experience from the beginning without wiping out my existing progress is a pretty big deal, and something consoles have long supported. As Oculus seem to be positioning the Quest as a VR console, it makes sense that they'd support something like this.

    https://oculus.uservoice.com/forums/921937-oculus-quest/suggestions/37711489-multiple-users
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,108 Valuable Player
    grayhaze said:
    Multiple user accounts are currently the second most requested feature on Oculus' UserVoice, so there's clearly a desire for this feature from the masses, myself included. Letting someone try the Quest and being able to start an experience from the beginning without wiping out my existing progress is a pretty big deal, and something consoles have long supported. As Oculus seem to be positioning the Quest as a VR console, it makes sense that they'd support something like this.

    https://oculus.uservoice.com/forums/921937-oculus-quest/suggestions/37711489-multiple-users

    It's the Software Developers that need to allow for the multiple Save files. Also, Quest is not a console.
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  • grayhazegrayhaze Posts: 18
    NerveGear
    edited July 17
    You're entitled to your strongly-held opinions @Zenbane, just as we are ours. The Quest is essentially a console from the point of view of being a self-contained system that plays games, amongst other things.

    While it's true that it's down to developers to support multiple save files, that's only half the story. A proper multi-user system offers more benefits than just saving games, such as being able to have a separate unique identity in online experiences without everyone that uses the device appearing as the owner.

    You also can't apply the same expectations to the Quest as to PCVR, as it's clearly marketed to a different audience.
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,108 Valuable Player
    grayhaze said:
    You're entitled to your strongly-held opinions @Zenbane, just as we are ours. The Quest is essentially a console from the point of view of being a self-contained system that plays games, amongst other things.

    This is not a matter of opinion, but a matter a fact. A PC is also a self-contained system that plays games, amongst other things. Yet a PC is also not a console. Just as Quest is not a console. It runs on a mobile platform. Big difference.

    While it's true that it's down to developers to support multiple save files, that's only half the story.

    It's enough of the story to satisfy the request presented in this thread. And that's all that matters.


    A proper multi-user system offers more benefits than just saving games,

    These VR HMD's are not advertised as "multi-user systems." They are single user systems thus far.


    You also can't apply the same expectations to the Quest as to PCVR,

    Many of the games on Quest are also available on PCVR. When it comes to certain features, such as Save Game Files, we most certainly can have the same expectations for the same titles that exist across multiple platforms.
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  • grayhazegrayhaze Posts: 18
    NerveGear
    edited July 17
    This is not a matter of opinion, but a matter a fact. A PC is also a self-contained system that plays games, amongst other things. Yet a PC is also not a console. Just as Quest is not a console. It runs on a mobile platform. Big difference.
     A game console is a fixed-hardware device with a primary focus on playing games. The Nintendo Switch runs on a mobile processor too, so would you argue that isn't a game console?

    It's enough of the story to satisfy the request presented in this thread. And that's all that matters.
    The original request specifically asks for the ability to have multiple accounts on the device. I understand reading is hard.

    These VR HMD's are not advertised as "multi-user systems." They are single user systems thus far.
    It doesn't matter how they're being advertised. It's how they're being used that matters.

    Many of the games on Quest are also available on PCVR. When it comes to certain features, such as Save Game Files, we most certainly can have the same expectations for the same titles that exist across multiple platforms.
    Many of the same games that are available on PC are also available for games consoles. And yet the console versions often offer features not on the PC versions and vice versa. Different platforms, different expectations.

    Perhaps rather than just blindly defending Oculus on every thread and playing the troll, you'd benefit from a little humility and the ability to see things from other points of view.
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,108 Valuable Player
    edited July 17
    grayhaze said:
     A game console is a fixed-hardware device with a primary focus on playing games.

    That is not a valid definition of a console.

    The Nintendo Switch runs on a mobile processor too, so would you argue that isn't a game console?

    Nintendo Switch runs on its own OS, and it is a low level console, not the same as an XBox or PlayStation. That should be obvious.


    The original request specifically asks for the ability to have multiple accounts on the device. I understand reading is hard.

    Reading is definitely hard for you, this is a quote from the original post, "there are not multiple save files for the games"

    It doesn't matter how they're being advertised. It's how they're being used that matters.

    If you buy something without understanding what you are buying, then the problem is your own. If you misuse something due to your lack of knowledge and understanding, then your problems are self-imposed.


    Many of the same games that are available on PC are also available for games consoles. And yet the console versions often offer features not on the PC versions and vice versa. Different platforms, different expectations.

    You offered nothing of value with those statements. The point that flew over your head is that the games do not offer multiples saves whether you buy them on the Quest, Rift, or SteamVR. It's a problem with the applications themselves.


    Perhaps rather than just blindly defending Oculus on every thread

    You are blindly championing ignorance in this thread, which is all that I'm addressing. If you are following me in to other threads and getting yourself upset by my views, then that's your problem. Self-imposed.


    playing the troll

    You have zero intellectual retorts, so you resort to namecalling. I have given a proper suggestion: Request multiple Save Game Files from the Software Developers. There is nothing "trollling" about that.


    you'd benefit from a little humility and the ability to see things from other points of view.

    Pot/Kettle.

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  • grayhazegrayhaze Posts: 18
    NerveGear
    edited July 17
    That is not a valid definition of a console.
    Okay, here are some valid definitions for you.
    Wikipedia: "A video game console is a computer device that outputs a video signal or visual image to display a video game that one or more people can play."
    Cambridge Dictionary: "A piece of electronic equipment for playing games on."

    Reading is definitely hard for you, this is a quote from the original post, "there are not multiple save files for the games"
    Here's another quote from the original post: "Oculus, I hope you change your approach and allow multiple accounts on a single quest (with game sharing) or at least require game developers to put several save game slots on their games." At no point have I claimed the original poster didn't mention multiple saves. You seem to be ignoring the rest of their post though.

    If you buy something without understanding what you are buying, then the problem is your own. If you misuse something due to your lack of knowledge and understanding, then your problems are self-imposed.
    Here's the Oculus Quest reveal trailer, which spends the vast majority of its runtime showing local multiplayer gaming throughout video game history, and concludes with a group of people sitting together with one of them using the Quest. Now tell me it's always been marketed as a single-user platform.

    You offered nothing of value with those statements. The point that flew over your head is that the games do not offer multiples saves whether you buy them on the Quest, Rift, or SteamVR. It's a problem with the applications themselves.
    You offered nothing of value with your response. While it's definitely on the heads of developers to offer multiple saves in their games, that doesn't negate the desire from 1689+ users and counting of the Quest to see multiple user accounts supported on the device. You also seem to be suggesting that the Quest and PCVR are equivalent platforms in terms of intended usage. The only things they share are that they're both VR devices and they're both made by Oculus. The underlying platform and target market couldn't be more different.

    I have given a proper suggestion: Request multiple Save Game Files from the Software Developers.
    I've given another good suggestion: Request multiple user accounts from Oculus, which if acted upon would solve the issue entirely rather than piecemeal by contacting developers of individual titles. Both are perfectly valid suggestions, and neither makes the other any less valid.
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,108 Valuable Player
    edited July 17
    grayhaze said:
    Okay, here are some valid definitions for you.
    Wikipedia: "A video game console is a computer device that outputs a video signal or visual image to display a video game that one or more people can play."
    Cambridge Dictionary: "A piece of electronic equipment for playing games on."


    In that respect, anything that allows a game to be played is a console. Including a PC and a Phone. Yet in reality there are clear distinctions. Your viewpoint relies on semantics.


    Here's another quote from the original post: "Oculus, I hope you change your approach and allow multiple accounts on a single quest (with game sharing) or at least require game developers to put several save game slots on their games." At no point have I claimed the original poster didn't mention multiple saves. You seem to be ignoring the rest of their post though.

    When you take both quotes provided by the OP (as opposed to cherry-picking the lines that suit your narrative), the user is trying to solve for Save Game Files in the wrong way. I provided a proper suggestion.


    Here's the Oculus Quest reveal trailer, which spends the vast majority of its runtime showing local multiplayer gaming throughout video game history, and concludes with a group of people sitting together with one of them using the Quest. Now tell me it's always been marketed as a single-user platform.

    Nothing about what you described depicts multiple profiles. The trailer also has nothing to do with user profiles or even save games whatsoever. It shows old school Atari and Arcades, none of which had multiple save game software nor multiple profiles. Did you actually watch it?


    You offered nothing of value with your response.

    Your lack of understanding and comprehension doesn't take away from the value provided. Multiple game files are at the video game software level. Whereas you and the OP convinced yourselves that it is at the platform level.


    You also seem to be suggesting that the Quest and PCVR are equivalent platforms in terms of intended usage.

    You are the one suggesting that they are the same, based on your definition of a console. You are arguing with yourself at this point.


    grayhaze said:
    I've given another good suggestion: Request multiple user accounts from Oculus, which if acted upon would solve the issue entirely rather than piecemeal by contacting developers of individual titles.

    I wouldn't call that a good suggestion since all you did was copy/paste a link. There's a difference between reporting a problem, which that UserVoice post provides, compared to providing a valid suggestion to the problem itself.

    Multiple profiles would be a good feature under certain conditions and to achieve certain goals, but not as a work-around for the lack of multiple save files. Convincing yourself that Quest is a console isn't going to validate the otherwise bad suggestion.
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  • SpuzzumSpuzzum Posts: 307
    Trinity
    I used to have a digital watch that played Space Invaders...was that a console? :P


  • MorgrumMorgrum Posts: 1,573 Valuable Player
    I still have a couple of Tiger lcd Handheld games!
    They didnt let me save games between family members either.......
    WAAAGH!
  • SpuzzumSpuzzum Posts: 307
    Trinity
    To be honest, my personal opinion is there's gaming consoles, such as the PlayStation, Nintendo and Xbox, but then you also have portable handheld consoles, such as PSP, GameBoy and Switch. Both are consoles, just different categories of consoles. But when it comes to VR...console VR would be Playstation VR...or similar if Xbox ever came out with one as well, but the Quest and whatever Vive has for a standalone would be considered a portable VR gaming console. Again, both VR consoles, but different categories of VR consoles.
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,108 Valuable Player
    The console aspect of the discussion is a red herring anyway. A device doesn't need to be classified as a console in order to justify multiple user profiles. It's a bit absurd to think that the two are connected.
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  • Techy111Techy111 Posts: 6,158 Volunteer Moderator
    Maybe apple will join the console war ???


    A PC with lots of gadgets inside and a thing to see in 3D that you put on your head.

  • abydosanabydosan Posts: 20
    Brain Burst
    edited July 18
    In 2019 the game sharing and multiple users is default in any gaming device. I can play my syster's games and with her PS4 console with my own profile on my PC. But he lives 20km away from me. How? With the Remote Play.

    If I buy a game to my Xbox One I can play with my friend online. But he didn't bought the same game just I logged in his Xbox One too and he can play the game with his own profile same time with me. And it's works backwards.

    "These VR HMD's are not advertised as "multi-user systems." They are single user systems thus far."
    Are you sure? 


    Windows 10 supports multiple devices since XP maybe? Steam allow us to share game library. Google Play games and apps can be shared. Netflix, GamePass, PS+, everything is working with a family sharing method.

    And I can hide my profile, my save files, my messages from other users on a PS4, Xbox One, Win 10 or nearly any IT device with pin. The multiple save files is not a solution for the privacy. We need whole separate accounts. My Xiaomi android phones can this features too.

    The multiple profile is essential for Quest and the Oculus working on it.

    And this is a gaming console by the way. Strict store policy, basically closed system, quality and selected games, fix hardware and targeted the gamers. Yes, this is a console.



  • SpuzzumSpuzzum Posts: 307
    Trinity
    From the article @abydosan linked: “At launch, Quest can be connected with one Oculus account,” reads a statement from Facebook. “That said, we know Quest is the kind of headset people will want to share, so we’re exploring multi-account support for the future.”
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,108 Valuable Player
    edited July 18
    abydosan said:
    "These VR HMD's are not advertised as "multi-user systems." They are single user systems thus far."
    Are you sure?


    Yes, I am sure. The video you posted doesn't dispute that. Having multiple people in a room doesn't somehow mean that the computer device in the same room has multiple user profiles.


    Windows 10 supports multiple devices since XP maybe?

    That doesn't have anything to do with the topic though.


    Steam allow us to share game library. Google Play games and apps can be shared. Netflix, GamePass, PS+, everything is working with a family sharing method.

    These are all just random facts. Multiple people can use the same Oculus platform as well.


    And I can hide my profile, my save files, my messages from other users on a PS4, Xbox One, Win 10 or nearly any IT device with pin. The multiple save files is not a solution for the privacy.

    If Privacy is really a concern, then having a single profile is the best approach. You don't have to worry about hiding anything between profiles. If you don't trust someone, then don't let them use your device. Simple!


    abydosan said:
    The multiple profile is essential for Quest and the Oculus working on it.

    If you read the article, it says that they are "exploring it for the future." It is not actively being worked on. Furthermore, they are exploring it as a solution for "sharing," not as a solution to multiple save game profiles. Which is what this thread introduced.

    I do agree that multiple profiles has benefits, but not as a sloppy solution to needing multiple save games. It is still good to have multiple save game options in a single profile.



    And this is a gaming console by the way. Strict store policy, basically closed system, quality and selected games, fix hardware and targeted the gamers. Yes, this is a console.

    I disagree that Quest is a console, but it doesn't matter anyway because an electronic device doesn't have to be classified as a console in order to justify multiple user profiles. As you said yourself, Windows supports multiple profiles... and a PC is not a console.

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