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I thought VR Porn would sell VR to the masses

MowTinMowTin Posts: 1,835 Valuable Player
I know most people don't have PC's. But I thought that many people who didn't have PC's would buy PC's just to have access to VR porn. Back in the day, people bought VHS in part because they could also watch porn movies at home. 

I don't think there is anything wrong with viewing porn. I avoid it because I've found that it interferes with real sex. I've tried some VR porn but the quality wasn't great. I haven't tried the ultra-high-quality stuff from paid sites.

What's the current status of VR porn? Is the quality good? Is there enough variety? Do you think someone would buy a VR HMD just for porn? 
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  • hoppingbunny123hoppingbunny123 Posts: 713
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    edited September 2019
    theres a ted talk on horror;


    in the video he talks about how people feel horror due to it being useful to survive in the real world for the ancestors of man. to stay alive in a world of creepy crawlies, lions and bears and sharks, and sickness, and other people, and maybe ghosts.

    now i dont know if many people know this, but theres two things men are known for, watching porn more than women, and fearing other people because that other person might be bad and unsafe - horror.

    its no different to getting into the danger with strangers, eating food your served from strangers in an unusual manner etc.

    well vr porn however good it might be eventually puts men at the mercy of the porn actress in the minds of man. then that stranger has some power over the man and uses the man, and they might be bad people - horror.




    i think it spooks people and they dont want to say it since they think they have total control in porn but porn is a 2 way entertainment.
  • Protocol7Protocol7 Posts: 320
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    My friend who knows about these things says that there are high resolution trailers available from all the major studios. My friend recommends StripzVR as an example of high quality VR video, check out their trailers at 5760x2880 resolution.
  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 4,905 Valuable Player
    Many people conflagratied  the success of 360' viewing (also known as POV porn), with VR @MowTin. The reality is that the POV scene was successful long before the latest phase of adoption of VR. And that many fans of adult entertainment did not need (or want) a headset to enjoy their chosen content. 

    There has also been lazy and misinformed business assumption made about what sells well, and what is needed to achieve "mainstream" sales numbers. The hypetrain has helped spread assumption based on vapor and caused many to invest on nothing more than speculation. The assumption that "porn will sell VR" was one such.

    The Adult Entertainment industry played pivotal parts in the VHS and Betamax format wars - and has driven much of the early internet phase growth - but was never a medium that could launch and establish a new format such as VR without a solid consumer business model already established. Those that tried to sell their management on the idea that the CV1 could achieve 10m sales within its first 24-months were totally delusional, and no amount of fudging numbers or claiming that "porn would sell VR" was going to make those numbers reality! 

    As with 3D-entertainment before it - all that Adult Entertainment will prove is that VR needs more than some POV content to survive in the mainstream - and that possibly this latest phase of VR adoption may have run its course (just look at the number of specialist VR Porn sites that have gone dark).

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  • falken76falken76 Posts: 2,887 Valuable Player
    edited September 2019
    MowTin said:
     Do you think someone would buy a VR HMD just for porn? 

    No, what a huge waste of money.  They have free shit like Youporn out there.  Back in the VCR days, they didn't have an alterier media device to view porn on.  Today, you can watch porn on almost any device.... for free.  What sold VR to a few of my friends was letting them demo it.  If they want to move VR, I think they should have a lot more public demos everywhere.  Maybe that's not cost effective or we'd already see it, I have no idea.  All I know is you can't try anything out VR in my neck of the woods unless it's in a mall or some other setup with an employee that's bored out of his mind because there are no customers.
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,759 Valuable Player
    VR Porn doesn't really add much in terms of unique value over watching standard porn. This can be more evidence that VR, in its current state, is being used more as a gimmick. Just saying!
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  • MowTinMowTin Posts: 1,835 Valuable Player
    falken76 said:

    No, what a huge waste of money.  They have free shit like Youporn out there.  Back in the VCR days, they didn't have an alterier media device to view porn on.  Today, you can watch porn on almost any device.... for free.  What sold VR to a few of my friends was letting them demo it.  If they want to move VR, I think they should have a lot more public demos everywhere.  Maybe that's not cost effective or we'd already see it, I have no idea.  All I know is you can't try anything out VR in my neck of the woods unless it's in a mall or some other setup with an employee that's bored out of his mind because there are no customers.
    I think you're right about people having plenty of free porn. With VR porn right now, you have to pay and you don't have the infinite variety that exists now for standard porn. 

    Also, the quality wasn't that good with the cv1 because of the resolution. It looked pixelated. And early on there weren't many very high quality videos. I don't think I've seen the best quality available and I haven't tried using my Index. 

    I just expected people to be bigger perverts. You have people who buy blow up dolls and those $5k real dolls. So, I would expect a pretty substantial market with the porn addicts. 

    I think we'll have to see how the Quest does. 
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  • dburnedburne Posts: 2,994 Valuable Player
    MowTin said:
    I know most people don't have PC's. But I thought that many people who didn't have PC's would buy PC's just to have access to VR porn. Back in the day, people bought VHS in part because they could also watch porn movies at home. 

    No, it will not.

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  • MowTinMowTin Posts: 1,835 Valuable Player
    Zenbane said:
    VR Porn doesn't really add much in terms of unique value over watching standard porn. This can be more evidence that VR, in its current state, is being used more as a gimmick. Just saying!

    Actually, from what I experienced it adds a lot. Everything seemed more real to me. When some really attractive woman is face to face with you in VR, it's hard to explain but it looks so much detailed than a flat image. Same is true with all the other parts. 

    Resolution was the big downside. It's hard to find high resolution quality content. 
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  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 4,905 Valuable Player
    MowTin said:
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    I think we'll have to see how the Quest does. 

    I have been hearing that "we will have to wait for..." for a long time - first it was GearVR would prove that there is interest, then CV1, and then most recently those that claimed that the OculusGO would be selling in its millions due in no small part to watching movies and porn. I think this phase of the VR community need to realize that possibly depending on porn to prove the validity of their market model is a busted flush. Especially with the Quest's eco-system being able to have access to the mountains of POV content acting as a hurdle.

    I think I would place more faith in a Quest version of Minecraft (to make up for its failure to move onto the GO from GearVR) as a means to help sell more units than adult entertainment!  
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  • falken76falken76 Posts: 2,887 Valuable Player
    MowTin said:
    falken76 said:

    No, what a huge waste of money.  They have free shit like Youporn out there.  Back in the VCR days, they didn't have an alterier media device to view porn on.  Today, you can watch porn on almost any device.... for free.  What sold VR to a few of my friends was letting them demo it.  If they want to move VR, I think they should have a lot more public demos everywhere.  Maybe that's not cost effective or we'd already see it, I have no idea.  All I know is you can't try anything out VR in my neck of the woods unless it's in a mall or some other setup with an employee that's bored out of his mind because there are no customers.
    I think you're right about people having plenty of free porn. With VR porn right now, you have to pay and you don't have the infinite variety that exists now for standard porn. 

    Also, the quality wasn't that good with the cv1 because of the resolution. It looked pixelated. And early on there weren't many very high quality videos. I don't think I've seen the best quality available and I haven't tried using my Index. 

    I just expected people to be bigger perverts. You have people who buy blow up dolls and those $5k real dolls. So, I would expect a pretty substantial market with the porn addicts. 

    I think we'll have to see how the Quest does. 

    I think it has a lot to do with people not finding it appealing to enter a masturbation session with a $400 piece of gear on your face that isolates you from your surroundings making you unaware of what's going on around you outside of the HMD.  In spite of having that "pass thru" camera, I get the feeling it "kills the mood".....

  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,759 Valuable Player
    Also, there is plenty of "free" VR Porn available And high quality ones at that. You just have to know where to look.

    I was pleasantly surprised at first, back in 2016-2017. But now in 2019... I prefer good 'ol fashion flat screen porn lol
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  • nalex66nalex66 Posts: 5,148 Volunteer Moderator
    I don’t see many people getting a PC and Rift for porn, but Go seems pretty popular for that use. If you’re just watching videos, Go is all you need; 3dof and decent resolution. It’s even got a built-in browser with private mode. 
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  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 4,905 Valuable Player
    nalex66 said:
    I don’t see many people getting a PC and Rift for porn, but Go seems pretty popular for that use. 
    ......

    That's interesting - I see pretty conflicting estimations on the Go's penetration into the market, especially with what happened with the Chinese partnership - can you tell me what you are basing that on?
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,234 Valuable Player
    Will people buy a VR headset just for VR Porn? Yes, if it's cheap enough. But that won't happen for years yet. It's the good old 'when will VR go mainstream?' thing again.

    We won't see VR going mainstream for 5 years at least when you can buy a decent quality headset for under a hundred quid. Once that starts happening and enough people buy them we'll start to see EVERYTHING - games, films, porn, sports events - being filmed and viewed in VR with only a small minority of these things being filmed or created in Flat-O-Vision, before everyone will stop producing flat material altogether.

    In the meantime producers of VR Porn keep on spending ridiculous amounts of money to bring more VR Porn to the market, so it must be selling well.

    It's a great deal more expensive to film these things in VR due to the higher expense of the cameras and the time it takes to stitch things together. This is why you often see bloopers in these things that aren't cut out and scenes being done in one take.

    Apparently. So a friend has told me.
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  • Shadowmask72Shadowmask72 Posts: 3,972 Valuable Player
    edited September 2019
    Vr porn is effectively 3D pov porn which is nothing new. It's watching 2d porn from a different angle nothing more. For vr porn to be something different then the user has to have complete control of the scene. That is only possible using animated characters, 3d scans etc.  We're a long way from having ultra realistic models to play with in fully controlled scenes. So, it's just as absorbing or titillating to look at the masses of free 2d porn available.


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  • ElusiveMarlinElusiveMarlin Posts: 276
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    Thought I was the only one who spotted the Go's "Market penetration" pun!!  DD
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 4,313 Valuable Player
    edited September 2019
    snowdog said:
    You certainly don't want to go anywhere near MY headset lmfao :D:D:D
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  • MowTinMowTin Posts: 1,835 Valuable Player
    Vr porn is effectively 3D pov porn which is nothing new. It's watching 2d porn from a different angle nothing more. For vr porn to be something different then the user has to have complete control of the scene. That is only possible using animated characters, 3d scans etc.  We're a long way from having ultra realistic models to play with in fully controlled scenes. So, it's just as absorbing or titillating to look at the masses of free 2d porn available.

    There is definitely a stereoscopic effect. I remember seeing tiny details I would never notice in a porn movie. 

    Sometimes for the worse. I saw one movie where I could notice needle marks on the actress. If it were 2D I would never be able to pick out that detail. It was a big turn off thinking she's shooting up heroin. 

    Anyway seeing a...uhmm...cat...right in your face in VR is different than in 2D. Maybe I saw a much better video than you. 
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  • MowTinMowTin Posts: 1,835 Valuable Player
    falken76 said:

    I think it has a lot to do with people not finding it appealing to enter a masturbation session with a $400 piece of gear on your face that isolates you from your surroundings making you unaware of what's going on around you outside of the HMD.  In spite of having that "pass thru" camera, I get the feeling it "kills the mood".....

    LOL, that is true. People tend to use porn for a very specific purpose and the hardware makes it a bit awkward. 
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,234 Valuable Player
    If you watch decent VR Porn (CzechVR for example) with a decent resolution and decent camera placement then it's pretty amazing imo.

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  • LuciferousLuciferous Posts: 2,243 Valuable Player
    edited September 2019
    On my DK2 I watched some 360 porn (for purely scientific reasons :))  and the resolution was pretty bad but what did impress me was that the guy was wearing this 360 rig and it was done really well.

    There was the normal thin plot as he arrived, 'Hello I’m the plumber' etc and he walked around the flat which was amazing, really felt like I was In the room. Not seen anything since like it. 

    His rig captured his full body and chest and it felt like my head was on his shoulders. always wanted a clean version to show somebody the effect.

    I bet with the index or HP and a suitably high quality video that could be amazing.
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  • SpuzzumSpuzzum Posts: 843
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    There's at least one camsite with vr cams, but the vr view only works with GizmoVR, which is available for PCVR, as well as the Oculus Go. Sideloaded to the Quest, and it crashes about 3/4 the way through the progress bar. There's been a few posts of people wanting it for the Quest, so hopefully it's one of the Go apps Oculus has planned for the Quest. VR porn in general's definitely a game changer, but watching camgirls in vr's even better. Live is always better. :P
  • MowTinMowTin Posts: 1,835 Valuable Player
    edited September 2019
    On my DK2 I watched some 360 porn (for purely scientific reasons :))  and the resolution was pretty bad but what did impress me was that the guy was wearing this 360 rig and it was done really well.

    There was the normal thin plot as he arrived, 'Hello I’m the plumber' etc and he walked around the flat which was amazing, really felt like I was In the room. Not seen anything since like it. 

    His rig captured his full body and chest and it felt like my head was on his shoulders. always wanted a clean version to show somebody the effect.

    I bet with the index or HP and a suitably high quality video that could be amazing.
    Reminds me of this old movie "Brainstorm"



    I remember one movie I tried where the woman leaned over and whispered in my ear. It sounded like I was there and she was whispering in my right ear. Cool feeling.  
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  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 4,905 Valuable Player
    Had the pleasure of presenting with Doug Trumbull - the director producer of "Brainstorm" (as well as his work in many other moves and attractions) - we discussed at the time how much the stuff covered in the film was about to reach parity with reality. The POV-porn industry has supported some innovative camera work - but the level of immersion is still more hype than reality.
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  • MowTinMowTin Posts: 1,835 Valuable Player
    kevinw729 said:
    Had the pleasure of presenting with Doug Trumbull - the director producer of "Brainstorm" (as well as his work in many other moves and attractions) - we discussed at the time how much the stuff covered in the film was about to reach parity with reality. The POV-porn industry has supported some innovative camera work - but the level of immersion is still more hype than reality.
    That was a really good movie. I need to watch it again. 

    But remember in the movie he demos the machine to a boardroom and the demo is a rollercoaster. VR definitely deliver the rollercoaster experience. 

    Of course the device in Brainstorm allowed you to feel all the sensory inputs. It has zero degrees of freedom. You're passively experiencing a movie. But you experience the taste, touch. So porn like that would be so awesome people would quit real sex. lol

    But I would love to see a full POV movie in VR done by a great director. 
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  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 4,905 Valuable Player
    A great film @MowTin  - but we need to separate VR from Experiential. The machine perceived in the Sci-Fi treatment was a "experience machine" - sharing  recorded experiences. While VR is a simulation machine, creating synthetic approximations of real world. Without the abilities of taste, sense of acceleration, etc. 

    Have you tried a VR coaster - they are okay, but not great. But have you tried VR on a coaster?
    While the operation issues still need work, we have seen positive feedback to the coaster ride experience - as well as with other extreme motion attractions using a VR component.

    But regarding Brainstorm and the "experience machine" - I think the jury is still out if this will ever be achievable before we have effectively mapped the human brain, and come to terms with what is and is not perceived reality. 

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