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Too much horse power required to run Oculus Link | Freezing (Solved)!

iTesla8iTesla8 Posts: 107
Art3mis
edited February 19 in Oculus Quest 2 and Quest
Hello
Wanted to share my experience with Oculus Link, have buy i Chinese cable 3m it works everything connects i tested only in Oculus home around 5 minutes the GPU heats allot the fans spin fast and the Oculus home hangs to reset must disconnect/reconnect the USB cable, so you can't stay much there because of this heat issue. Then i have tear down my GPU card and found out after removed the heat sink that the paste is hard ass cement, i took some wool and thinner and cleaned it careful and have apply new paste assembled and put back together, have run the Oculus link now it works no more hang in the Oculus Home but the fans spin very fast and the temp is always 70/71C and stay like this.
Do you people think this is normal? I doubt the integrated GPU of Oculus is better than my PC, i understand it works in a more direct way without Link but still this is awful experience i m afraid my GPU does not burn.
My PC specs are here, though not the latest test: https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/20433679
P.s. i think this is why allot of users have issues because their PC's have low hardware, the PC specs recommended by Oculus Link are too low but in the reality there is needed more.

My Own PC Build: NZXT Source S340 White > Corsair RM1000i > Asus ROG Strix Z270F Gaming > CPU Intel i7-7700K 4.5Ghz > Deepcool Captain120 EX > RAM KHX2400C15/16G | 4pcs = 64GB > Asus GTX1070 Dual O8G > Samsung U32J59xUQ 4K > Realtek High Definition Audio > Intel SSD 760p Series PCIE/NVMe M2.1 1TB > Intel SSD 600p Series PCIE/NVMe M2.2 1TB > AZIO Retro Classic Copper > Razer Mamba Hyperflux = Oculus Quest/Link

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  • DaftnDirectDaftnDirect Posts: 6,240 Volunteer Moderator
    edited January 11
    I've edited you post so the link works @iTesla8

    I haven't yet used Link with my Quest as I'm using the Rift-S for PC VR but your specs don't look bad. Interested to hear what other 1070 users' Link experience is.
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  • iTesla8iTesla8 Posts: 107
    Art3mis
    I've edited you post so the link works @iTesla8

    I haven't yet used Link with my Quest as I'm using the Rift-S for PC VR but your specs don't look bad. Interested to hear what other 1070 users' Link experience is.

    Thank you for that, i also would be interestred what other users say if they have such GPU card.
    My Own PC Build: NZXT Source S340 White > Corsair RM1000i > Asus ROG Strix Z270F Gaming > CPU Intel i7-7700K 4.5Ghz > Deepcool Captain120 EX > RAM KHX2400C15/16G | 4pcs = 64GB > Asus GTX1070 Dual O8G > Samsung U32J59xUQ 4K > Realtek High Definition Audio > Intel SSD 760p Series PCIE/NVMe M2.1 1TB > Intel SSD 600p Series PCIE/NVMe M2.2 1TB > AZIO Retro Classic Copper > Razer Mamba Hyperflux = Oculus Quest/Link
  • LordZeroGameMasterLordZeroGameMaster Posts: 10
    Brain Burst
    I've edited you post so the link works @iTesla8

    I haven't yet used Link with my Quest as I'm using the Rift-S for PC VR but your specs don't look bad. Interested to hear what other 1070 users' Link experience is.
     My laptop is basically the same as his system. I have only tried Skyrim VR that was flawless and Asgard's Wrath that was choppy. It looked fine on my pc monitor but inside the Quest it had kind of microstutters.

     I don't think it was that related to the actual game performance as changing settings all the way to low did nothing to aliviate the sensation of lack of fluidity.

     I played for a good hour and i guess i grew accustomed very quickly, but watching gameplays on youtube, i figured out that it was in fact not as smooth as it should be. 

    UserBenchmarks: Game 67%, Desk 70%, Work 50%
    CPU: Intel Core i7-7700HQ - 64.3%
    GPU: Nvidia GTX 1070 (Mobile) - 73.3%
    SSD: Kingston RBU-SNS8152S3256GG6 256GB - 89.2%
    SSD: Kingston A1000 NVMe PCIe M.2 480GB - 134.6%
    RAM: Kingston MSI24D4S7D8MH-16 1x16GB - 41.3%
    MBD: MSI MS-16P1


  • ohgrantohgrant Posts: 349
    Trinity
     I would say by your system, that you should be able to get great results with the link cable with your PC. The one component that is equally as important to Oculus  working as the CPU and GPU,  is the USB controller. I upgraded to a Star Tech 3.1 10 gps USB-C card. You and I have comparable systems I think you'll get it worked out with yours.
    My results 
     UserBenchmarks: Game 109%, Desk 85%, Work 90%
    CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X - 83.6%
    GPU: Nvidia GTX 1080-Ti - 134.3%
    SSD:  Micron_1100_MTFDDAK2T0TBN 2TB - 93%
    SSD: SanDisk X400 1TB - 90.6%
    HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1TB (2016) - 98.1%
    RAM: G.SKILL Flare X DDR4 3200 C14 2x8GB - 45.9%
    MBD: Gigabyte GA-AB350-Gaming 3-CF


     One thing that comes to mind with your results was your desktop resolution. 3840 x 2160?  I'm not sure if it will help, but try setting your desktop res to 1920*1080, then try the link.
    Gigabyte  AB350 Ryzen 2700x, 16gb ddr 4 3200, 1080ti. Z800 HMD, DK1, DK2, CV1, Vive wireless, Quest, HP Reverb. Viewsonic 1080p 3D projector ASUS 3D vision monitor.  UAD Apollo interface, Yamaha studio monitors.  
  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 6,560 Valuable Player
    edited January 12

    UserBenchmarks: Game 67%, Desk 70%, Work 50%
    CPU: Intel Core i7-7700HQ - 64.3%
    GPU: Nvidia GTX 1070 (Mobile) - 73.3%
    SSD: Kingston RBU-SNS8152S3256GG6 256GB - 89.2%
    SSD: Kingston A1000 NVMe PCIe M.2 480GB - 134.6%
    RAM: Kingston MSI24D4S7D8MH-16 1x16GB - 41.3%
    MBD: MSI MS-16P1



    BTW, the i7-7700HQ is by no means the same as a desktop i7-7700K, the 7700K is much faster:

    https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-7700HQ/3647vsm211019

    https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i7-7700HQ-vs-Intel-i7-7700K/2906vs2874

    - and don't think you've got a real GTX 1070 if you got the mobile version - at least according to these results:

    https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1070-Mobile-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1070/m164129vs3609

    I don't think Oculus Link has too high system requirements, but some users may be using way too slow hardware. Personally I'd probably never use a laptop for VR. Just using 3200 MHz ram instead of 2400 MHz increased my cpu speed about 10%, which is really a lot - using a laptop you may not even be using 2400 MHz for the 7700HQ, and it all adds up. 
    That said, iff you can run Oculus Link with these very low laptop specs (at least for the cpu), it does seem specs for running Oculus Link may be similar to using Rift-S or CV1 - and not higher. 

    If the OP has problems using i7 7700K, GTX 1070 (non-mobile) and 2400 MHz ram, then his rig may suffer from some special/unique problems. The OP should be able to use Oculus Link flawlessly - but it is the beta:

    https://www.roadtovr.com/oculus-quest-pc-requirements-oculus-link-minimum-specs/
    Intel i7 7700K (4.5 GHz); MSI GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Gaming X (oc 2100 MHz gpu boost, 11 GHz mem speed); 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200 MHz; MSI Z270I Gaming Pro Carbon AC (VR-Ready) mainboard; Samsung 960 Evo M.2 SSD + Toshiba P300 HD; Windows 10 OS; Valve Index and Oculus Rift CV1 - the latter nearly always using super sampling 2.0. 

    "Ask not what VR can do for you – ask what you can do for VR"
  • KoshIrelandKoshIreland Posts: 16
    NerveGear
    For anyone seeing choppy playback in Link, but Mirror showing 72fps, then try reducing the pixel density settings: https://forums.oculusvr.com/community/discussion/83561/oculus-link-resolution-with-v12/p1

    It turned my Link from unplayable to consistently smooth (so long as the game itself is running smoothly at 72fps).
  • iTesla8iTesla8 Posts: 107
    Art3mis
    edited January 12
    Hi everyone, thank you very much for your input, i have found out my problem may lay in the cheap USB cable that i have buy from aliexpress also it is 3m long and this is not enough for me, i have ordered another more thick 8m cable it has 2 USB A connectors to 1 USB C conn, hope it will provide the needed power if not will return it back.
    My main problem is i live in a poor country that is why i can't buy original cable, on ebay i found it cost with shipment 200USD that is very expensive for a cable.
    Also i m thinking because i m a technician i can make my own USB cable with proper copper wires and solder them if the chinese cables will not work, and i think for the best experience the cable must be hanging from the top in the room.
    Will post updates what will work for me.
    Thank you!
    P.s. i felt warm from the USB cable but i m not sure if it was the cable or something else.
    My Own PC Build: NZXT Source S340 White > Corsair RM1000i > Asus ROG Strix Z270F Gaming > CPU Intel i7-7700K 4.5Ghz > Deepcool Captain120 EX > RAM KHX2400C15/16G | 4pcs = 64GB > Asus GTX1070 Dual O8G > Samsung U32J59xUQ 4K > Realtek High Definition Audio > Intel SSD 760p Series PCIE/NVMe M2.1 1TB > Intel SSD 600p Series PCIE/NVMe M2.2 1TB > AZIO Retro Classic Copper > Razer Mamba Hyperflux = Oculus Quest/Link
  • DaftnDirectDaftnDirect Posts: 6,240 Volunteer Moderator
    Heat in a cable is generally not a good sign. Either means there's a fault, causing overcurrent, or if the current is ok, the cores are undersized.

    I think I'm going to invest in a USB multimeter and start doing some tests. I don't remember seeing figures for headset power consumption, so I'm curious to get some definitive figures. I read somewhere 5W but that sounds low especially if simultaneously charging a low battery. Copper core size would be good to know for various USB cables but I doubt that's listed in specs. Probably could determine by measurement.
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  • iTesla8iTesla8 Posts: 107
    Art3mis
    Heat in a cable is generally not a good sign. Either means there's a fault, causing overcurrent, or if the current is ok, the cores are undersized.

    I think I'm going to invest in a USB multimeter and start doing some tests. I don't remember seeing figures for headset power consumption, so I'm curious to get some definitive figures. I read somewhere 5W but that sounds low especially if simultaneously charging a low battery. Copper core size would be good to know for various USB cables but I doubt that's listed in specs. Probably could determine by measurement.
    I have tested through a USB dongle but Quest is detect as USB 2 in Oculus software so i can't test in game, it was taking around 2.51W in such state.
    So for sure this cable is poor quality, will have to write in the Link Cable thread again so people don't buy it because i have think it is good.
    My Own PC Build: NZXT Source S340 White > Corsair RM1000i > Asus ROG Strix Z270F Gaming > CPU Intel i7-7700K 4.5Ghz > Deepcool Captain120 EX > RAM KHX2400C15/16G | 4pcs = 64GB > Asus GTX1070 Dual O8G > Samsung U32J59xUQ 4K > Realtek High Definition Audio > Intel SSD 760p Series PCIE/NVMe M2.1 1TB > Intel SSD 600p Series PCIE/NVMe M2.2 1TB > AZIO Retro Classic Copper > Razer Mamba Hyperflux = Oculus Quest/Link
  • MaxxgoldMaxxgold Posts: 520
    Neo
    iTesla8 said:
    Hi everyone, thank you very much for your input, i have found out my problem may lay in the cheap USB cable that i have buy from aliexpress also it is 3m long and this is not enough for me, i have ordered another more thick 8m cable it has 2 USB A connectors to 1 USB C conn, hope it will provide the needed power if not will return it back.
    My main problem is i live in a poor country that is why i can't buy original cable, on ebay i found it cost with shipment 200USD that is very expensive for a cable.
    Also i m thinking because i m a technician i can make my own USB cable with proper copper wires and solder them if the chinese cables will not work, and i think for the best experience the cable must be hanging from the top in the room.
    Will post updates what will work for me.
    Thank you!
    P.s. i felt warm from the USB cable but i m not sure if it was the cable or something else.
    You don’t have enough power in your USB port for 8m. I’m using a powered Inateck USB card(The one in my signature), and the most I can get is 5.1m. If I add just one more meter I get disconnects. I also have to remove everything from the port except the Quest. Also, the longer your USB cable the less throughput of data will get to the Quest. 

    Make sure to post back here, and let us know what happens. 
  • iTesla8iTesla8 Posts: 107
    Art3mis
    I found a software that shows what is connected to USB on a Win PC maybe you will find it useful.
    Connected with the 3m poor quality cable that is not recommended to buy.
    I did some testing and the compatibility must meet this 4 criteria not sure i might be wrong on some.
    1. the USB connectors on PC must be proper
    2. the USB cable must be proper
    3. the connected device must support that USB version
    4. the driver/software
    So if something is wrong from one of this criteria it will not work.
    I also have changed display resolution but that does not help, even turned the monitor off it is not related to this.

    My Own PC Build: NZXT Source S340 White > Corsair RM1000i > Asus ROG Strix Z270F Gaming > CPU Intel i7-7700K 4.5Ghz > Deepcool Captain120 EX > RAM KHX2400C15/16G | 4pcs = 64GB > Asus GTX1070 Dual O8G > Samsung U32J59xUQ 4K > Realtek High Definition Audio > Intel SSD 760p Series PCIE/NVMe M2.1 1TB > Intel SSD 600p Series PCIE/NVMe M2.2 1TB > AZIO Retro Classic Copper > Razer Mamba Hyperflux = Oculus Quest/Link
  • ohgrantohgrant Posts: 349
    Trinity
     Glad you're getting things sorted. Bummer that the link cable cost so much there. Have you checked the Oculus link cable thread, it has other cheaper alternative cables that may work for you. 
     Not sure what software you're talking about there, if you're looking for software that will tell you every detail with included diagnostics and benchmarks. It's been around since the Win 98 days formally known as Everest. There's a 30 day free trial here https://www.aida64.com/downloads/latesta64xe
    Gigabyte  AB350 Ryzen 2700x, 16gb ddr 4 3200, 1080ti. Z800 HMD, DK1, DK2, CV1, Vive wireless, Quest, HP Reverb. Viewsonic 1080p 3D projector ASUS 3D vision monitor.  UAD Apollo interface, Yamaha studio monitors.  
  • iTesla8iTesla8 Posts: 107
    Art3mis
    Hi everyone, the cable i ordered did not come yet but i wanted to tell that i have installed Sidequest and have sideloaded latest Virtual Desktop app with Steam function which is currently removed in the Oculus store app, so i went and installed and tested wireless play of Steam games and i got better results, i no longer have freeze of games or Steam Home as before, however the GPU is still pushed to 72C and i get glitches with stutters so this shows to me that problem is not the cable but something to software/hardware related.
    I m afraid that Oculus have gone by the same path as apple to throttle the hardware possible in Headset and on PC software because when this happen the headset GPU is also used at around 80-90% and headset heats up, according to some topics in this community the freeze thing was not present before this happened after some updates.
    So i decided to liquid cool my PC GPU/CPU to make this work smooth, hope i m wrong in the throttle thing but nothing is excluded.
    My Own PC Build: NZXT Source S340 White > Corsair RM1000i > Asus ROG Strix Z270F Gaming > CPU Intel i7-7700K 4.5Ghz > Deepcool Captain120 EX > RAM KHX2400C15/16G | 4pcs = 64GB > Asus GTX1070 Dual O8G > Samsung U32J59xUQ 4K > Realtek High Definition Audio > Intel SSD 760p Series PCIE/NVMe M2.1 1TB > Intel SSD 600p Series PCIE/NVMe M2.2 1TB > AZIO Retro Classic Copper > Razer Mamba Hyperflux = Oculus Quest/Link
  • Umpa_PCUmpa_PC Posts: 835
    Trinity
    iTesla8 said:
    Hi everyone, the cable i ordered did not come yet but i wanted to tell that i have installed Sidequest and have sideloaded latest Virtual Desktop app with Steam function which is currently removed in the Oculus store app, so i went and installed and tested wireless play of Steam games and i got better results, i no longer have freeze of games or Steam Home as before
    Before what ?

    However the GPU is still pushed to 72C and i get glitches with stutters so this shows to me that problem is not the cable but something to software/hardware related.
    I m afraid that Oculus have gone by the same path as apple to throttle the hardware possible in Headset and on PC software because when this happen the headset GPU is also used at around 80-90% and headset heats up, according to some topics in this community the freeze thing was not present before this happened after some updates.
    So i decided to liquid cool my PC GPU/CPU to make this work smooth, hope i m wrong in the throttle thing but nothing is excluded.
    I don't really understand what you are saying here,  Surely It's best to wait for your O-link to arrive and then compare ?
    Oculus Rift S - Oculus Quest 128GB
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    Windows 10 Home Edition Version 10.0.18363 Build 18363, Oculus version 17, Quest Version 17
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  • iTesla8iTesla8 Posts: 107
    Art3mis
    edited February 2
    Sorry for my poor English. :D
    If you read first post i got freeze no mater in Oculus/Steam Home/Games with cheap 3m USB cable, i have think the problem of freezing is cable related but after testing Wirelesly through sideloaded VR Desktop app it does not freeze anymore but the overheat of GPU is same and i have glitches which proves problem is not the cable, if you read other topics in this community you will understand that the freezing issue appeared after some updates, and i compared this to apple when they release software updates to throttle the hardware so people buy new iPhone, only in the case with Oculus it can be made so we buy new GPU for example (hope i m wrong and is just my paranoia).
    Do you understand now what i mean?
    P.s. i can't afford to buy original cable, so i ordered an 8m active cable from China.
    P.s.s. let me explain a little more, when it freeze with USB cable i see a TV like screen just stop, if i m in game on PC it continues to run, now when it glitches by wireless method when GPU is at 72C i see this TV screen through glitches that is why it does not freeze completely but is very near to that moment and i m sure is caused by the same thing related to GPU overheat.
    My Own PC Build: NZXT Source S340 White > Corsair RM1000i > Asus ROG Strix Z270F Gaming > CPU Intel i7-7700K 4.5Ghz > Deepcool Captain120 EX > RAM KHX2400C15/16G | 4pcs = 64GB > Asus GTX1070 Dual O8G > Samsung U32J59xUQ 4K > Realtek High Definition Audio > Intel SSD 760p Series PCIE/NVMe M2.1 1TB > Intel SSD 600p Series PCIE/NVMe M2.2 1TB > AZIO Retro Classic Copper > Razer Mamba Hyperflux = Oculus Quest/Link
  • Ray_SoverRay_Sover Posts: 44
    Brain Burst
    It's unlikely that your GPU is overheating. Many GTX1070s run in the 90s under full load.

    Try running a demanding non-VR game on your monitor with all the graphics settings cranked up as far as they'll go (with V-sync off) and see what temperature the GPU reaches. If it surpasses 72°C without crashing then you'll know the problem lies elsewhere. If it still crashes at 72°C then you'll know the problem isn't directly related to using the Quest.
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  • iTesla8iTesla8 Posts: 107
    Art3mis
    Hello Everyone
    I have possible found the freezing issue of my setup, but i will not post on this community due to too many grabbers that take info from my posts then they post as their own fixes without mentioning whose idea was!
    I m not sure yet what solved but after more testing will make a topic on my site and post there what i did to solve.
    My Own PC Build: NZXT Source S340 White > Corsair RM1000i > Asus ROG Strix Z270F Gaming > CPU Intel i7-7700K 4.5Ghz > Deepcool Captain120 EX > RAM KHX2400C15/16G | 4pcs = 64GB > Asus GTX1070 Dual O8G > Samsung U32J59xUQ 4K > Realtek High Definition Audio > Intel SSD 760p Series PCIE/NVMe M2.1 1TB > Intel SSD 600p Series PCIE/NVMe M2.2 1TB > AZIO Retro Classic Copper > Razer Mamba Hyperflux = Oculus Quest/Link
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