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Class Action Against Oculus and Facebook

XMadMarkXXMadMarkX Posts: 2
NerveGear
edited January 17 in Off-Topic

Now that the new owners of Oculus have monopolized anything to do with the social side of the Oculus system and basically ended about 50% of the reason people bought the product in the first place. (being able to join and play with friend)

I believe and some legal advisers have stated because no alternative was put in place for those who will not be forced to make a Facebook account and because when the produced was purchased no mention of this was conveyed to the purchaser. The product as a result is now less than the product that was originally purchased and a refund on not only the product but also any software that is also impacted by way of not being able to join, find or engage with friends.

This class action law suit if supported by enough purchasers of one of the Oculus systems will send a strong message to manufactures that monopolizing products after selling will be a costly exercise.

 

A simple fix to this would be to reinstate the original system and provide a Facebook alternative for those that choose it.

This message will be posted in as many forums as possible to garner support and further information about the class action will be updated later including how to join the class action. 

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  • Protocol7Protocol7 Posts: 320
    Trinity
    You can still use SteamVR to play with your friends, but you will have to buy games on Steam of course.
  • RattyUKRattyUK Posts: 1,060
    Wintermute
    Wow!  Bring a lawsuit because a hardware manufacturer bases their social interactions over their own platform...  Thanks, I don't think I'll sign up, I prefer meeting friends on a mutually agreed mediumk so kindly continue without my support.
    ...good luck ;)
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  • BeastyBaiterBeastyBaiter Posts: 807
    3Jane
    Is anything stopping someone from building a social app with it's own internal friends list that doesn't use Facebook? I'm pretty sure the answer is no but I haven't tested it.
  • kojackkojack Posts: 5,996 Volunteer Moderator
    Is anything stopping someone from building a social app with it's own internal friends list that doesn't use Facebook? I'm pretty sure the answer is no but I haven't tested it.

    That can definitely be done.
    There's two things that make it less likely though:
    - It's much easier to use the existing platform and avatar sdks that handle all this for the devs, and facebook are doing the back end server hosting.
    - It's very unlikely other games will share the same system, so you get lots of one-offs with different features.

    Now if Unity or Unreal added a default social system that they hosted... that would let games share friends and social stuff not only without a facebook login, but also between all VR (and non VR) platforms.
  • RattyUKRattyUK Posts: 1,060
    Wintermute
    A note to @XMadMarkX, moderators are allowed to express an opinion on any subject, even if you don't like that opinion.

    Not being able to do so would make the forum less than it was when we signed up to it and we'd have to start a class action. Or something.
    I'm fine with you moderating lot being able to express an opinion...

    Providing, naturally, it coincides with my own >:)

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  • DaftnDirectDaftnDirect Posts: 5,463 Volunteer Moderator
    RattyUK said:
    A note to @XMadMarkX, moderators are allowed to express an opinion on any subject, even if you don't like that opinion.

    Not being able to do so would make the forum less than it was when we signed up to it and we'd have to start a class action. Or something.
    I'm fine with you moderating lot being able to express an opinion...

    Providing, naturally, it coincides with my own >:)

    I always check your opinion before typing anything!
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  • zapateroXzapateroX Posts: 1
    NerveGear
    As usual I’m late to the party but, I’m totally upset.  I waited for months for the Quest and now a lot of the functionality is gone because I’m required to create an FB account.  Moreover, I’m told there’s safety involved.  From a company that expects it’s users to determine what is real and what isn’t... in Virtual Reality.  The logic alone begs some thought.

    But, seriously, there have to be alternatives, otherwise is this not just another Microsoft Explorer anti-trust case and we can all read how that turned out?  On a side note, it seems there’s a lot more appetite about breaking up and regulating tech.  I wonder how that might fair for the company perceived as ruining democracy?
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,876 Valuable Player
    Class Action Against Oculus and Facebook

    This class action law suit if supported by enough purchasers of one of the Oculus systems will send a strong message

    This message will be posted in as many forums as possible

    I have also today email Mark Zuckerberg personally with more information and also links to this forum post


    Pro Tip: A Forum Post is NOT a Class Action Lawsuit.

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  • DuxCroDuxCro Posts: 44
    Brain Burst
    I remember how all my friends laughed at me when i told them i refuse to give any personal info on FB. Including real name and photo. This was before it became public that FB is selling peoples private info. After that i permanently deleted my FB account. What do you expect from a "social" network whose founder is an antisocial creep.  I do believe Mark should serve some jail time, alongside of paying fines. Because multi million fines are nothing to multi billion companies.  I tried creating a new facebook account, after FB allowed again that people use nicknames. On new OS, with new email, with super long and complex password. You know what happened? FB logged me out of my account like 3 days later, claiming that my security is compromised and i must give them a personal document with a photo if i want to log back in. NEVER again, Mark. Never again.
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,876 Valuable Player
    DuxCro said:
    I remember how all my friends laughed at me when i told them i refuse to give any personal info on FB. Including real name and photo. This was before it became public that FB is selling peoples private info.

    Facebook buys private info from other companies who sell it. If you don't think Facebook already has your private info, then you should look in to how many companies have been freely selling private consumer info for years. It started long before Mark Zuckerberg came along.


    NEVER again, Mark. Never again.

    Never, except for the fact that you have an Oculus Account? lol

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  • DuxCroDuxCro Posts: 44
    Brain Burst
    edited February 19
    Zenbane said:

    Never, except for the fact that you have an Oculus Account? lol


    What i meant to say is i will never again use Facebook. Or give my personal info to Facebook. For oculus account, they have my email address. Nothing else. That's a photo of Rick Mayal on my profile, and no, my real name is not DuxCro. :D And if i ever find out they use those headset cameras to spy on me, I'll make sure to do all my future VR gameplays naked in front of a big mirror. Does that make you horny, Mark baby? :*
  • wzygrrwzygrr Posts: 21
    Brain Burst
    edited February 20
    XMadMarkX said:

    Now that the new owners of Oculus have monopolized anything to do with the social side of the Oculus system and basically ended about 50% of the reason people bought the product in the first place. (being able to join and play with friend)

    I believe and some legal advisers have stated because no alternative was put in place for those who will not be forced to make a Facebook account and because when the produced was purchased no mention of this was conveyed to the purchaser. The product as a result is now less than the product that was originally purchased and a refund on not only the product but also any software that is also impacted by way of not being able to join, find or engage with friends.

    This class action law suit if supported by enough purchasers of one of the Oculus systems will send a strong message to manufactures that monopolizing products after selling will be a costly exercise.

     

    A simple fix to this would be to reinstate the original system and provide a Facebook alternative for those that choose it.

    This message will be posted in as many forums as possible to garner support and further information about the class action will be updated later including how to join the class action. 
    I agree with you, count me in!  
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,876 Valuable Player
    DuxCro said:
    For oculus account, they have my email address. Nothing else.

    How do you pay for your Oculus Software and Hardware?
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  • DuxCroDuxCro Posts: 44
    Brain Burst
    Zenbane said:


    How do you pay for your Oculus Software and Hardware?
    Bought Rift S on Amazon. Never bought any games on Oculus store.  Steam and Viveport.

  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,876 Valuable Player
    DuxCro said:
    Bought Rift S on Amazon. Never bought any games on Oculus store.  Steam and Viveport.


    So Amazon, Valve, and HTC have your personal information? They have all faced security breaches.

    And fyi, they all use a 3rd party company for your banking information. Your bank has likely had multiple security breaches as well.

    Do you use a proxy server to access this forum? If not, then Facebook has your IP address for each post, and Facebook purchases information about you from other companies, who also have your IP address if you aren't using a proxy.
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,296 Valuable Player
    I always play in VR wearing a tinfoil hat. They're not getting ANYTHING from me.  :D
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,296 Valuable Player
    Anyone worrying about ANYONE having any sort of information on them is about 25-30 years too late. Pretty pointless trying to shut that stable door now. Google and Yahoo have known what you've had for breakfast, dinner and tea every day since then, what sort of porn you like to watch, what you look like, your political views, where you travel, when you travel, how you're travelling, what you like to watch on the telly in your spare time, what music you listen to, what credit cards and bank accounts you have, your entire medical history and every place you've lived in since the 90s.
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