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Mental Health & Facebook

sh0v0rsh0v0r Posts: 505 Oculus Start Member
I deactivated my Facebook account 2 years ago for mental health reasons. I found it was a huge positive for me and I have no desire to ever use Facebook again.
So for someone like me who finds it detrimental what am I supposed to do now that it is a requirement?

I have been an Oculus user/developer/supporter since the the Kickstarter, my game Lunar Flight helped legitimize the revival of VR by showing a complete game that defined best practices by design during the Oculus Share days.

The Facebook account requirement to use certain features that never used to be required has pushed me out of the eco system. I can't visit friends Homes anymore, I can't chat with them or join their games through the platform.

I considered making a throw away account but then realized that as soon as I associate my Oculus account with it, Facebook will know who I am. In fact I can't even make a fake account because you are required to use your real name. My account was deactivated, its most likely Facebook will attempt to reactivate it once it realizes who I am which I don't want to do.

I realize that this will fall on deaf ears but someone at Oculus/Facebook needs to hear it whether they care or not.

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  • Chef918Chef918 Posts: 6
    NerveGear
    I deleted my account from Facebook a few years ago, so there's no returning to it. I've tried in fits of weakness. 

    When I got my quest a couple weeks ago, I had to have one to connect with family on the oculus platform. Instead of spoofing one, I just used my s/o account. Idk if thats an option for you or not
  • VR_NimaVR_Nima Posts: 9
    Brain Burst
    I totally agree.  Facebook is bad for the world.  

    I truly believe the majority of all their users will jump ship as soon as an alternative appears, whether that be PSVR 2 or Apple Glasses.  Facebook needs to fix their issues with their main app or their VR products will suffer severely from the association.
  • nalex66nalex66 Posts: 5,499 Volunteer Moderator
    The requirement is to have a Facebook account, but that doesn’t mean you have to use the Facebook account. I had never had an account nor wanted one, but when the requirement was added, I grudgingly created a bare-minimum account. No linked Facebook friends, no personal info (beyond name, age, email address needed for creation), no photos except for my avatar image (same one as here), no activity. The accounts just sits there, doing nothing except fulfilling the requirement allowing me to use my Oculus friends list. It doesn’t have to be so hard.
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  • wuzpwuzp Posts: 318
    Trinity
    edited June 27
    1. Facebook is an advertising platform, first and foremost.  That's what pays the bills.  They want to know who you are, so that they can better target the ads.
    2. Previous studies have shown that people would willingly give up their privacy, in exchange for a perceived benefit.  These benefits are presented to you in the form of FB, Oculus, and only God knows what else they own.
    3. Everyone has the option of being a social misfit, by lying about themselves, in order to "freeload" these benefits.
    4. Getting back to #1, watch "Ready Player One," to see how this plausibly could play out in the future.
  • sh0v0rsh0v0r Posts: 505 Oculus Start Member
    edited June 27
    nalex66 said:
    The requirement is to have a Facebook account, but that doesn’t mean you have to use the Facebook account. I had never had an account nor wanted one, but when the requirement was added, I grudgingly created a bare-minimum account. No linked Facebook friends, no personal info (beyond name, age, email address needed for creation), no photos except for my avatar image (same one as here), no activity. The accounts just sits there, doing nothing except fulfilling the requirement allowing me to use my Oculus friends list. It doesn’t have to be so hard.
    I'd like to do this but they'll probably connect the dots and require me to re-activate my original account which has 10 years of history.

    Edit: So I made a new account with a different email, I was immediately presented with 3 people I know.
  • wuzpwuzp Posts: 318
    Trinity
    sh0v0r said:
    Edit: So I made a new account with a different email, I was immediately presented with 3 people I know.
    You didn't do a "good enough" job of lying, about your identity :D
  • nalex66nalex66 Posts: 5,499 Volunteer Moderator
    sh0v0r said:
    nalex66 said:
    The requirement is to have a Facebook account, but that doesn’t mean you have to use the Facebook account. I had never had an account nor wanted one, but when the requirement was added, I grudgingly created a bare-minimum account. No linked Facebook friends, no personal info (beyond name, age, email address needed for creation), no photos except for my avatar image (same one as here), no activity. The accounts just sits there, doing nothing except fulfilling the requirement allowing me to use my Oculus friends list. It doesn’t have to be so hard.
    I'd like to do this but they'll probably connect the dots and require me to re-activate my original account which has 10 years of history.

    Edit: So I made a new account with a different email, I was immediately presented with 3 people I know.
    Yeah it does that. They offer up suggestions of several of my distant relations across the world. I set up my account to minimize what people can see of me, and otherwise just ignore it. 
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  • DaftnDirectDaftnDirect Posts: 5,802 Volunteer Moderator
    edited June 28
    I finally connected my Oculus account to my seldom used Facebook account about 2 weeks ago.

    There's no made-up information on it and I don't use it to socialise in the traditional since so it just allows me to use Oculus social features. No advertising comes my way, no friends requests via Facebook, no visibility of Facebook pages.

    I've started getting friend requests via Oculus once again which I've always been happy with as social VR is something I'm keen to try out... as it seems everyone who's complaining about the Facebook connection wants to do.

    I was surprised to see 3D photos from 1 Facebook friend being displayed on my Quest home screen though, and there's no option to hide them that I can find. It doesn't bother me personally but knowing how some people have the Facebook hate thing going on, it would be a good idea to be able to do so. There's no advertising problem though, I definitely don't get targeted in the same way that YouTube and Google flood me with cookies and adverts for things I've just bought so don't need to buy!

    But anyway, as long as all of my Facebook friends don't start posting 3D photos or their daily updates, I can ignore them. And if any of you don't want to see such 3D photos, just don't accept friends via Facebook.
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  • hoppingbunny123hoppingbunny123 Posts: 862
    Trinity
    I don't have a facebook account. 
  • wuzpwuzp Posts: 318
    Trinity
    I don't have a facebook account. 
    So, "make one."
  • wuzpwuzp Posts: 318
    Trinity
    edited June 28

    I've started getting friend requests via Oculus once again which I've always been happy with as social VR is something I'm keen to try out... as it seems everyone who's complaining about the Facebook connection wants to do.
    I'd love to see some kind of study; that tries to correlate COVID-19 rates with people's privacy preferences or social media usage.  The thesis would be those who are most likely to be infected, are prolific social media users, or not privacy paranoid.
  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 7,106 Valuable Player
    waaaazzzzzuuuuupppp
  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 7,106 Valuable Player
    edited June 28
    I don't have a facebook account. 

    Neither do I and it will stay that way LOL.
    If I want to see how Family and friends are getting on I just call them.
    My Mum is on it and it's just filled with pics about what her pet dogs are doing. From sleeping on a new cover to eating a bone :D
    I suppose some people like all that stuff but it's not for me. When I visit friends I like to ask them about their holiday to start a conversation. That becomes a bit pointless if they have already told everyone on their Facebook about it.
  • DaftnDirectDaftnDirect Posts: 5,802 Volunteer Moderator
    wuzp said:

    I've started getting friend requests via Oculus once again which I've always been happy with as social VR is something I'm keen to try out... as it seems everyone who's complaining about the Facebook connection wants to do.
    I'd love to see some kind of study; that tries to correlate COVID-19 rates with people's privacy preferences or social media usage.  The thesis would be those who are most likely to be infected, are prolific social media users, or not privacy paranoid.
    In my social circle I can say undoubtedly I'm the most pro lockdown regarding coronavirus, possibly contributed to because I'm a part-time carer for my mum who's very vulnerable but I'm sure I would have been that way regardless. Like many people, I see socialising in the real world during a pandemic that currently has no vaccine as extremely problematic.

    On the other hand I seem to be much less paranoid about online privacy than some. I'm a bit of a control freak and controlling social activity and privacy on-line is easy for me. I understand not everyone finds it easy but I do, much more so than real life.
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  • DaftnDirectDaftnDirect Posts: 5,802 Volunteer Moderator
    edited June 28
    By the way, I may need to give myself a warning! no politics or non-relevant general social discussions are allowed on the forum. I think this is maybe relevant but getting close to politics. Just thought I'd better mention that before someone takes it as a green flag to go off on a political campaign.

    Maybe best to avoid the Covid thing in the public space and just discuss the differences between VR/on-line socialising and real-life just in case :)
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  • wuzpwuzp Posts: 318
    Trinity
    wuzp said:
    I'd love to see some kind of study; that tries to correlate COVID-19 rates with people's privacy preferences or social media usage.  The thesis would be those who are most likely to be infected, are prolific social media users, or not privacy paranoid.
    On the other hand I seem to be much less paranoid about online privacy than some. I'm a bit of a control freak and controlling social activity and privacy on-line is easy for me. I understand not everyone finds it easy but I do, much more so than real life.
    That's interesting.  I'm guessing based on your use of "mum" and spelling of "socialising," that you are British?  If you were born after 1960, when CCTV was first installed at Trafalgar Square, you may have grown up in an environment where the expectation of privacy was less; compared to the US; where until recent years, the only place we had no privacy expectations was in Las Vegas.
  • DaftnDirectDaftnDirect Posts: 5,802 Volunteer Moderator
    Well my need to control my personal info on-line probably draws the line at age and location... although I've probably stated both here in the past! Anyway, I think the conversation is definitely veering away from the topic of the thread so I'll leave it there.
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  • hoppingbunny123hoppingbunny123 Posts: 862
    Trinity
    wuzp said:
    I don't have a facebook account. 
    So, "make one."
    I feel too old to make one.
  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 7,106 Valuable Player
    wuzp said:
    I don't have a facebook account. 
    So, "make one."
    I feel too old to make one.

    Well my Mums elderly and she made one. Maybe you can then get to tell everyone what you've been up to today, or be like my Mum and post pics of your pets for everyone to like :D
    I'm sure you will get along just fine without one though :)
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