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Pimax NOW Event Online at 19:00 BST

Shadowmask72Shadowmask72 Posts: 4,127 Valuable Player
edited June 29 in General
If you want more info on what Pimax is doing with the 8KX then check it out.



Pimax NOW TLDR Summary From PimaxUSA.

Headset Production Related:

1) 8KX Now Shipping, packages include the long awaited SMAS and a new thin facial foam for the comfort kit.

2) 76 8kX already shipping and a total of 215 ready to ship. This is over 56% of 8kX backers.

3) Pimax Artisan Limited Edition with the Rugged Blue Housing in the Pimax store for $449 only limited quantity of these.

4) Pimax 8k+ Now on Amazon in Europe.

Hand, Eye Tracking Modules Related:

4) First 200 Eye Tracking modules to be shipped in just 2 weeks. Backers can buy for $99.

5) Eye Tracking Includes Universal Dynamic Foveated Rendering that impacts all games.

6) Production Eye Tracking now tracks 3X than CES samples shown faster using USB-C 3.0 interface.

7) FPS were shown for 8kX with eye tracking module. Skyrim 55FPS to 75FPS (+36%)

8) First 200 Hand Tracking modules shipping in July. VERY wide FOV over 200 degrees hand detection.

Rigid Audio Strap Related:

9) 3 Modular Audio Straps being produced. SMAS, KDMAS, DMAS. 8K+,8kX compatible with all 3, others only KDMAS

10) SMAS now being produced, DMAS and KDMAS August. DMAS and KDMAS similar audio performance.

11) KDMAS designed for 1 audio jack and lower power output requirement.

Backer Stretch Goal related:

12) Stretch Goal package changed.

12a) New Stretch Goal Package consists of:

(upgrade from SMAS to KDMAS), Vision Comfort Kit, Extra New Thin Foam, Protective Silicon Sleeve, $100 wireless adapter, 2 pieces of content, Option to buy Eye Tracking for $99.

Items removed from package: cooling fan, prescription lens adapter, 1 piece of content

13) All items will be shipped in a single package beginning in August.

14) If Any backer with stretch goals does not receive their tracking number before Oct. 31st, 2020 they can request a refund of $150 to their Paypal account.

15) PIMAX will pay for shipping, other fees such as VAT or customers fees will be borne by backer.

16) Stretch Goal Tracking System - new webpage where you can see your tracking number, ship date, item list, coupon code for wireless and your 2 game codes in a single location.

New Stretch Goal Opt Out Option:

17) Pimax is reserving 500 8kX for backers that opt-out of their stretch goals. These backers can grab an 8kX headset for $949. $350 off. Deal can't be combined with any other offer or discount and limited to the first 500 who want this option.

New Optical Cable and Laptop cable coming for 8kX

18) NEW Optical cable. Current 8kX uses 2 USB ports and a DP 1.4 port. NEW cable only requires 1 USB port and can be considerably longer. Cable is currently in testing. One was shown during the Pimax Now event. August.

18a) NEW Laptop cable for 8kX headsets with a mini DP interface. No more requirement to lose signal through a DP adapter for laptops on 8kX.

Pimax Sword and Sword Sense Related:

19) When Pimax put total focus into comleting the MAS, 8kX, hand and eye tracking they had entered into the prototype phase for the Sword and Sword Sense controllers but much testing and potential changes remained. The controllers are now becoming the new primary hardware focus.

20) ANYONE who ordered a Pimax brand controller can request a refund in the amount they paid. All requests will be processed and refund payments will occur towards the end of August. This only applies to Pimax controllers, all base station shipments will continue as normal as we have these in stock.

NEW Pimax Experience and Pitool Related

21) Pimax Experience Announcement. Plug & Play setup and config for all Pimax owners. This new environment includes a VR environment that replaces the planetscape that loads when Pitool initializes. Features IPD setup guide, cloud base game profiles that anyone can contribute to and vote on, Pimax News and Updates, Favorite game lists and much more. The environment also automatically optimizes SteamVR for Pimax headsets including the sharpness tweaks for the 8k+ etc.

22) We will open source the Pimax Experience later in the year.

23) Pimax Experience Beta to be released in July, under development for the last 2 months.

24) Pitool Update - roadmap - items such as backlight control, XR black levels, Motion Compensation centering will be implimented in some of the next Pitool releases.



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  • Digikid1Digikid1 Posts: 2,309 Valuable Player
    People still care about Pimax?
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 15,429 Valuable Player
    Digikid1 said:
    People still care about Pimax?

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  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 7,145 Valuable Player
    edited June 29
    Why VR companies continue to use that material on their face plate is beyond me. Not only is it unhygienic unless you wash it regular in which case it doesn't last long, but a lot of people find it uncomfortable. Use Pu leather with memory foam like VR Cover and you can just wipe it, simples.
    Not that I'll be getting a Pimax, but I did notice the HP Reverb G2 has ditched the pu leather.
  • Shadowmask72Shadowmask72 Posts: 4,127 Valuable Player
    edited June 29
    Digikid1 said:
    People still care about Pimax?
    I still care cos I am still waiting on an 8KX which I think I will get in August. I might actually order the eye tracking module as well if it works as purported.

     :# 


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  • Shadowmask72Shadowmask72 Posts: 4,127 Valuable Player
    edited June 29
    The new Pimax UI looks pretty good actually. Not only making it more plug and play but allowing for easier calibration which was a massive headache in the past.





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  • Shadowmask72Shadowmask72 Posts: 4,127 Valuable Player
    edited June 29

    I appreciate most of this is irrelevant to people here but at least it's a summary without having to watch the entire video.




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  • inovatorinovator Posts: 2,384 Valuable Player
    If primax is ever inside out tracking I'll be interested.
  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 5,227 Valuable Player
    A pivotal time for Pimax and StarVR - literally a fight to survive!
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 5,578 Valuable Player
    edited June 30
    Personally I like the idea of super-high-res VR hmds with giant fov. It'll probably work fine for some games. Unfortunately I'm confident I'll need like a 3080 Ti to properly revive games like Stormland and Asgard's Wrath - and that's just for the Index in 90 Hz. Never been a fan of the Pimax hammerhead-like design though - and for Pimax 8KX it'll be interesting to see the reviews of the final hardware - and software.
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  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 5,227 Valuable Player
    RuneSR2 said:
    Personally I like the idea of super-high-res VR hmds with giant fov. It'll probably work fine for some games. 
    ....

    Your not alone.
    It's just a shame that Pimax has had four bites of the cherry on this, and dropped the ball to the point they are now teetering on the edge, having blasted through their Kickstarter and A-series investment. 

    I think that all serious Enterprise investment (as these are the only sphere prepared to pay the high price entailed) have either selected VRgineers or Varjo/Lenovo as the best alternative to their needs.

    StarVR just messed-up-big-time, and Pimax made some serious errors of judgement. I know both companies hope that people will forget, but in Enterprise and Prosumer - memories are long, and very unforgiving!
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  • Shadowmask72Shadowmask72 Posts: 4,127 Valuable Player
    edited June 29
    You raise a good point @kevinw729. People don't forget, and to be frank, Pimax have been their own worst-enemy from day one and still continue to damage themselves. I get the feeling now, no matter what they present it's going to be clouded by their past endeavours. Such is business. I actually suggested to them last year (when I predicted the 8K+ etc.) it would be more prudent for them to re-brand entirely. Obviously this approach wasn't suitable or feasible for them or their investors. Pimax is not a name synonymous with quality or great consumer experiences and like smelly-shit, that sentiment is not abating unfortunately for them.


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  • corporatezombiecorporatezombie Posts: 13
    Brain Burst
    Well as someone who has both oculus rift and pimax 5kXR I can tell you that you can revive play asgards wrath in lovely wide screen on a 4th gen i7 and 1080ti with no problems. 
  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 5,227 Valuable Player
    Another cogent response - what I have come to expect from you @Shadowmask72 - thank you.

    Re-bard - a very perceptive suggestion, but one I fear that fell on deaf ears. 

    The reality of your suggestion of "Re-Branding" is that firstly it would force management to admit they did something wrong. And secondly it would be seen as accepting criticism. Both of which is unacceptable, especially regarding the precarious state of the management, any show of weakness will be expunged, and they do not want to lose their jobs. 

    The sad fact with Pimax is that though they know they have a toxic brand, they hope that the reason why they have such toxicity will be ignored or overlooked (glossed over) - and like other manufacturers blamed on a troubled community. The fact of the dubious business practice, the hiring of individual totally out of their depth are sidelined. The movement of Kickstarter funds and the abuse of management power are just some of the issues - even before we get to the quality, servicing and competence of the hardware developed with Crowd Sourced funding. For me the biggest failures were using fans as spokespeople, or retaining of execs claiming to build a VR Park business, who knew nothing of the industry and later absconded with investment, (we plan to run a feature on that debacle soon).

    In ending, to re-brand would end up building a new edifice on the fecal matter that is the foundation of the current operation. An operation that really has itself to blame - and as we are still licking our wounds after personal attacks made by then retained marketing representatives of the company against criticism and questioning, I think you may find that trying the save Pimax is a lost cause IMHO.
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  • DaftnDirectDaftnDirect Posts: 5,813 Volunteer Moderator
    There'll always be a market for the most high-end headset you can get and I think if Pimax end up being able to deliver a good quality high-res high FOV headset that's reliable, I think people will forgive and forget any missed goals of the past. They just need to do it while the business is still viable so there's a time limit for this to happen.

    Personally, I'll always be looking for such a headset but a complete package isn't cheap enough for me yet and I like the Touch controllers a lot.
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  • Shadowmask72Shadowmask72 Posts: 4,127 Valuable Player
    edited June 30
    I am not sure people are committed to any particular personnel at Pimax. Using my expert business armchair  knowledge (not - :p ) I could easily envisage Pimax being purchased/taken over by another fledgling Chinese company (especially post-covid-19 pandemic) to carry the torch forward under a fresh banner. This could effectively wipe-the-slate clean for them especially in the Western public-eye. Key staff would be absorbed into the new company.  And ( and that's a massive "and" by-the-way) if there are no-issues with quality, ordering, delivery and post-purchase support could give them a second stab at western market penetration with fresh legs. 

    Re-branding aside, I just think that once they do finally get their act together, the few supporters they have are either totally disillusioned by now or the few die-hards they have left not enough to convince others to take interest in their products, no matter how admirable they appear on paper or work in practice. Having just a product is obviously not enough these days especially with people's prejudices of Chinese electrical goods in general as an additional hurdle to overcome. The delivery, ordering and support counts for a substantial part of the image especially with regards to word-or-mouth internet ramblings. Whilst many could be dismissed as anecdotal or minuscule in the grander scheme, when there are so many people spouting the same issues, waters get muddied easily with an unhealthy amount of time for any sediment to settle.

    So it does seem you're correct Kevin, they are playing the patch it over approach. But the spat with UploadVR still lingering like fresh farm manure and the aforementioned disgruntled voices of those who backed them it's one hell of a tough sell they have on their hands in my opinion. 

    As for me though, I think my bias is showing firmly on my sleeve. Or at least I hope it does. Still, I will offer a fair appraisal when I get the 8KX. Not in the hope of offering them any sort of redemption but rather calling a spade-a-spade where it counts.


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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 5,578 Valuable Player
    edited June 30
    Well as someone who has both oculus rift and pimax 5kXR I can tell you that you can revive play asgards wrath in lovely wide screen on a 4th gen i7 and 1080ti with no problems. 

     If I'm not mistaken that's also an oled hmd, Asgard's Wrath does not look good using lcd hmds due to the build-in temporal antialiasing (TAA), which causes blurry image quality (while TAA looks perfect with CV1). TAA gets deactivated only selecting low details - but that completely ruins the image quality (limited grass, no cloth animation etc.). I use Epic settings - and with Index I have not been able to 1) deactivate TAA (even modding ini-files) and 2) get solid 90 fps using Epic settings. For now I don't consider lcd hmds great for Asgard's Wrath - I believe Shadowmask72 also was annoyed with the blurry TAA image quality using Reverb. 
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