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Quest 2 Pro Please!

CyionCyion Posts: 18
Brain Burst
edited October 2 in General
Dear Oculus/Facebook,

I will not be buying a Quest 2 and I would suggest that there is a need for a PRO version of the Quest 2.  For context reasons, I will reveal that I own a Rift CV1 currently with 3 cameras.

Here are the reasons I am not buying a Quest 2:

- No mechanical IPD slider.  I am one of the rare people who get headaches if my IPD is off by only 1 mm.  I am a VR veteran and have logged thousands of hours so this isn't a VR noobie issue.
- Cheaper microphone than the Rift CV1
- No FOV increase
- I have heard reports that the tracking is worse than the first Quest tracking.  Having excellent tracking on the CV1 makes this very undesirable.  Perhaps it will improve with software updates?
- No built in "quality" headphones.  The CV1 headphones are amazing!  Anything less in quality to that is unacceptable to me.

Now that the rift line is being killed.  Oculus should consider making all future headset have a standard and pro edition.  It is no more work then when you were making a quest and rift s at the same time.

I would love to see a Quest 2 Pro that has these features:

- mechanical IPD ******* (IMPORTANT!)
- built in "quality" headphones
- a "quality" microphone
- increased FOV
- a proper cable that isn't a link cable, I don't want to deal with increased latency due to compression or potentially decreased resolution

Of course it would cost more, but I am willing to pay it.  I am sure many others would pay it too.  Especially those who are buying their second headset or those who have many headsets.

Also for people reading, could you please comment if you want a pro version of the quest 2 as well.  Please also, I don't really want to respond to people who want to pick apart stuff that I have said, can those people please focus on the quest pro part of my message, that would be appreciated.

Thank you for listening,

Cyion
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  • inovatorinovator Posts: 2,847 Valuable Player
    Cyion said:
    Dear Oculus/Facebook,

    I will not be buying a Quest 2 and I would suggest that there is a need for a PRO version of the Quest 2.  For context reasons, I will reveal that I own a Rift CV1 currently with 3 cameras.

    Here are the reasons I am not buying a Quest 2:

    - No mechanical IPD slider.  I am one of the rare people who get headaches if my IPD is off by only 1 mm.  I am a VR veteran and have logged thousands of hours so this isn't a VR noobie issue.
    - Cheaper microphone than the Rift CV1
    - No FOV increase
    - I have heard reports that the tracking is worse than the first Quest tracking.  Having excellent tracking on the CV1 makes this very undesirable.  Perhaps it will improve with software updates?
    - No built in "quality" headphones.  The CV1 headphones are amazing!  Anything less in quality to that is unacceptable to me.

    Now that the rift line is being killed.  Oculus should consider making all future headset have a standard and pro edition.  It is no more work then when you were making a quest and rift s at the same time.

    I would love to see a Quest 2 Pro that has these features:

    - mechanical IPD ******* (IMPORTANT!)
    - built in "quality" headphones
    - a "quality" microphone
    - increased FOV
    - a proper cable that isn't a link cable, I don't want to deal with increased latency due to compression or potentially decreased resolution

    Of course it would cost more, but I am willing to pay it.  I am sure many others would pay it too.  Especially those who are buying their second headset or those who have many headsets.

    Also for people reading, could you please comment if you want a pro version of the quest 2 as well.  Please also, I don't really want to respond to people who want to pick apart stuff that I have said, can those people please focus on the quest pro part of my message, that would be appreciated.

    Thank you for listening,

    Cyion
    I'll make it quick and simple. AIN'T HAPPENING. 
  • TomCgcmfcTomCgcmfc Posts: 2,840 Valuable Player
    I also have a Rift cv1 w/2-3 sensors (normally only use 2) and a Quest 1 with the official link cable and wireless w/Virtual Desktop.  I have enjoyed my Quest but my cv1 with 2x SS (thanks to having a decent gaming PC) still does a much better job with all my PCVR games/sims.  Better performance, more comfortable, fewer artifacts, lower latency, and better tracking imho.

    I have preordered a Quest 2 because I'm interested to see how it's more powerful mobile chip, together with future firmware updates and Link software improvements plays out.  I imagine that these improvements will be the main focus during 2021 and I doubt we will see the next gen Quest 3 until sometime in 2022.

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  • twisteklabstwisteklabs Posts: 482
    Trinity
    Facebook philosophy is to reach the masses with the lowest possible price point VR headset.
    This is diagonally opposite to Quest 2 Pro that needs a higher price.
    I have a high IPD, and would love manual IPD slider with dual screens etc. I have learned to lower my expectations. It might ease your anxiety to lower your expectations as well.
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  • CyionCyion Posts: 18
    Brain Burst
    edited October 2
    Ehhhhh, I think if a Quest 2 Pro doesn't happen, I will just buy a headset from some other company that makes what I want.  I might do that in the mean time anyways, but I would like a Quest 2 Pro so I can play oculus exclusives natively.
  • inovatorinovator Posts: 2,847 Valuable Player
    Cyion said:
    Ehhhhh, I think if a Quest 2 Pro doesn't happen, I will just buy a headset from some other company that makes what I want.  I might do that in the mean time anyways, but I would like a Quest 2 Pro so I can play oculus exclusives natively.
    Do it because it ain't happening.
  • JohnnyDioxinJohnnyDioxin Posts: 2,718 Valuable Player
    So this is what I want, if you agree you can reply, if you don't agree, don't post. I think what you are looking for is that petition site.



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  • inovatorinovator Posts: 2,847 Valuable Player
    So this is what I want, if you agree you can reply, if you don't agree, don't post. I think what you are looking for is that petition site.


    That's not how this works. You have been here long enough to know that.  This forum would be quite boring everyone agreed with each other. 
  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 5,837 Valuable Player
    Depending on the backlash - I would not be surprised in 2021 that a Pro version that will be a true hybrid (Standalone/PC) version of the Quest will be launched. If the Rift backlash is anything like we think then a Rift-Quest release will be dropped into the market to try and dull the HP, Valve and Samsung momentum. 
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  • Digikid1Digikid1 Posts: 2,477 Valuable Player
    It's nice to dream isn't it?
  • Neo_33Neo_33 Posts: 38
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    I have a Rift CV1, Quest 1, Rift S, and soon to be Quest 2.  An IPD slider would be ideal but I can get by fine without it.  I don't see Facebook investing in another VR headset.  It looks like they want to invest in 1 headset and that is it judging how the Rift S is going to be discontinued soon.  Unfortunately you might only have 2 options.  Continue using the Rift CV1 with 3 sensors or find another headset from another manufacturer.  The HP Reverb G2 looks good so you might want to take a look at that.  
  • CyionCyion Posts: 18
    Brain Burst
    The quest and quest 2 are doing very well, making money.  When things go well like they are, it isn't unreasonable to think Facebook might pivot and release a pro headset.  Just because they are done with PCVR only headsets doesn't mean they can't expand their plan.  Instead we have a bunch of people coming in here who's minds are closed to any possibilities beyond what is in front of them right now.
  • CyionCyion Posts: 18
    Brain Burst
    edited October 3
    Furthermore, this forum fails at being supportive to ideas other than what the majority think.  How about lifting each other up and instead ridiculing and trying to make a person feel like an idiot for daring to go against what the majority think?  I am not just talking about this thread.
  • dburnedburne Posts: 4,159 Valuable Player
    Cyion said:
    Furthermore, this forum fails at being supportive to ideas other than what the majority think.  How about lifting each other up and instead ridiculing and trying to make a person feel like an idiot for daring to go against what the majority think?  I am not just talking about this thread.
    That is some wishful thinking there...
     ;) 
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  • hoppingbunny123hoppingbunny123 Posts: 973
    Neo
    you must feel the cold of the water when you swim in a lake.
  • Digikid1Digikid1 Posts: 2,477 Valuable Player
    Cyion said:
    Furthermore, this forum fails at being supportive to ideas other than what the majority think.  How about lifting each other up and instead ridiculing and trying to make a person feel like an idiot for daring to go against what the majority think?  I am not just talking about this thread.

    A forum is a BUNCH of opinions.....not just yours.  Your idea will just not happen period.  Plus you are demanding a version just AFTER they released the Quest 2.

    Is it mean?  Not at all.....we are used to how VR HMD companies work and base our responses accordingly.  If you cannot grasp that.....well then the internet is a dangerous place for you to be.

    The truth hurts at times......use that pain to become stronger than you are.
  • CyionCyion Posts: 18
    Brain Burst
    edited October 3
    I have dealt with a lot of pain in my life, I am strong.  I feel humanity is failing and should not tear each other down but become better then they are and be a positive influence in others lives and accepting of various ideas instead of crapping on people who are different.
  • hoppingbunny123hoppingbunny123 Posts: 973
    Neo
    edited October 3
    the only time your free is when you work and mind your own business. otherwise your somebody elses business and you have to put up with them and their quirks. thats life. if you live in a place with other people that is.
  • inovatorinovator Posts: 2,847 Valuable Player
    Cyion said:
    I have dealt with a lot of pain in my life, I am strong.  I feel humanity is failing and should not tear each other down but become better then they are and be a positive influence in others lives and accepting of various ideas instead of crapping on people who are different.
    I'm one of the first members to have said if the quest 1 is successful oculus would just have a single all in one headset. I was 100% correct. I was attaced  by many. But boy it felt good to prove them all wrong. One member in particular. Your idea of a need for a pro is a nice idea but against Facebook's goal of reaching 1 billion users (mass market) that's why it's better to look at other company's than to waste your hope in fb doing this. Not agreeing with an idea isn't tearing someone down. If you disagree with what I say then you can say why and we have a back and forth dialog. It's ok in the end to agree to disagree. Sometimes someone gets out of hand and personally attacks. If it continues usually a moderator will step in.
  • hoppingbunny123hoppingbunny123 Posts: 973
    Neo
    the gear vr sold because it was sold with the galaxy phones. i doubt without a similar strategy the quest 2 will even make a bump in sales. they need to attach it to some other product, maybe make it into installation payments tied to a facebook account. advertise it as 1 year monthly fee of 50 dollars or so even 30 dollars american and facebook will let you have a quest 2. otherwise i don't see more than a few million being sold.
  • oliver.jpoliver.jp Posts: 32
    Brain Burst
    edited October 18
    Thank you for your worthwhile discussion Cyion.

    Why people feel the need to shut down other people's dreams because they want to feel some sense of superiority is beyond me.

    I think it's great to discuss what we would like, if only for other manufacturers to give us what we want instead.
    • Yes, I would like to see an IPD slider even if there aren't separate displays.
    • OLED also please. RGB not pentile.
    • Better headphones aren't a priority to me because you can use your own. A decent set of headphones would be a significant proportion of the price. I would at least like a Pro to have a headstrap that gets out of the way of headphones, perhaps without the plastic arms where it connects to the headset. But, I do agree, it would be nice to have better built in ones for when you want to keep things compact, but then again you can just use earbuds. I think a removable plastic arms would be good.
    • A headstrap that has a low profile at the back, something that's comfortable for you to rest your head back on a pillow or your sofa. (Like the old Quest or Rift strap)
    • FOV increase would be nice but then you have distortion issues, probably something that could be solved with more expensive optics.
    • A short MMCX cable accessory would be nice. A lot of higher end earbuds use such a cable, but it seems to be impossible to buy a short one. These cables run all the way to the earbud so you can replace the entire cable.
    I have a Quest 2, but after 5 days I already have a hardware issue with the left speaker that hasn't gone away after a factory reset. So perhaps better build quality?! I may have been unlucky but seems to have been an issue with the Quest 1 also. I also have a Rift CV1. The resolution of the Quest 2 is way way better. I tried watching movie on the CV1 and felt the resolution was too much of a compromise, with the Quest 2, I feel it's practical to enjoy a movie but I would still like a bit higher resolution or more accurately PPI. But, due to the LCD you get this kind of foggy effect, this may however be just a software issue where apps are built and tuned for OLED when blacks can look too black.

    Power?... I wouldn't want the headset to be any heavier, lighter please. But perhaps if we have more power efficient electronics, we could have a smaller, lighter battery. 

    To summarize:
    The obvious:
    • Higher resolution
    • Higher FOV
    • Better audio (removable plastic arms)
    • IPD slider
    The not so obvious:
    • OLED RGB
    • Headstrap suitable for resting your head back
    • MMCX earbuds included? (But the current solution is good for sharing the headset and keeping it compact)
    • USB-C rechargeable controllers?
    • Any way to move away from a fresnel lens? God-rays I find can distract you and break your immersion.
    Do you have any more thoughts Cyion? What do you think of mine?
  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 6,838 Valuable Player
    oliver.jp said:
    Thank you for your worthwhile discussion Cyion.

    Why people feel the need to shut down other people's dreams because they want to feel some sense of superiority is beyond me.

    I think it's great to discuss what we would like, if only for other manufacturers to give us what we want instead.
    • Yes, I would like to see an IPD slider even if there aren't separate displays.
    • OLED also please. RGB not pentile.
    • Better headphones aren't a priority to me because you can use your own. A decent set of headphones would be a significant proportion of the price. I would at least like a Pro to have a headstrap that gets out of the way of headphones, perhaps without the plastic arms where it connects to the headset. But, I do agree, it would be nice to have better built in ones for when you want to keep things compact, but then again you can just use earbuds. I think a removable plastic arms would be good.
    • A headstrap that has a low profile at the back, something that's comfortable for you to rest your head back on a pillow or your sofa. (Like the old Quest or Rift strap)
    • FOV increase would be nice but then you have distortion issues, probably something that could be solved with more expensive optics.
    • A short MMCX cable accessory would be nice. A lot of higher end earbuds use such a cable, but it seems to be impossible to buy a short one. These cables run all the way to the earbud so you can replace the entire cable.
    I have a Quest 2, but after 5 days I already have a hardware issue with the left speaker that hasn't gone away after a factory reset. So perhaps better build quality?! I may have been unlucky but seems to have been an issue with the Quest 1 also. I also have a Rift CV1. The resolution of the Quest 2 is way way better. I tried watching movie on the CV1 and felt the resolution was too much of a compromise, with the Quest 2, I feel it's practical to enjoy a movie but I would still like a bit higher resolution or more accurately PPI. But, due to the LCD you get this kind of foggy effect, this may however be just a software issue where apps are built and tuned for OLED when blacks can look too black.

    Power?... I wouldn't want the headset to be any heavier, lighter please. But perhaps if we have more power efficient electronics, we could have a smaller, lighter battery. 

    To summarize:
    The obvious:
    • Higher resolution
    • Higher FOV
    • Better audio (removable plastic arms)
    • IPD slider
    The not so obvious:
    • OLED RGB
    • Headstrap suitable for resting your head back
    • MMCX earbuds included? (But the current solution is good for sharing the headset and keeping it compact)
    • USB-C rechargeable controllers?
    • Any way to move away from a fresnel lens? God-rays I find can distract you and break your immersion.
    Do you have any more thoughts Cyion? What do you think of mine?

    Mostly I think Quest 2 was made to make Horizon look good and sharp for ordinary users, who might not even know the difference between oled and lcd, lol.
    I'm sure most common users are just happy for the price and quality - very easy access to swinging lightsabers and hitting floating boxes.
    In fact Quest 2 could be the key for Facebook to get millions of users to adopt VR, we'll see. 
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  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 5,837 Valuable Player
    After the "collapse" of the Samsung partnership after the aborted GearVR phone-less prototype was dropped - I think it became inevitable that this was going to be a one platform company. That the phone-less design would reemerge as Quest is fascinating. That PC VR would be sidelined was inevitable when the CV2 was abandoned. Those that tried to bet that CV2 would come out have moved on, or are now belatedly thinking of joining the HP bandwagon.

    For me in the remaining time, I look forward to seeing the first of the Horizon ecosystem take full shape, and see how the PC VR and Standalone VR communities will diverge. 
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  • vududemanvududeman Posts: 26
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    Good discussion here--I'm pretty happy with my Quest 2 and hopefully in the next 1-2 years the next version will check more of those boxes to make it even better.  In the meantime--the current one is pretty fun to play, even with some limitations.  From someone who bought the original CV1 + controllers--this is much less expensive and is really fun with no wires.
  • oliver.jpoliver.jp Posts: 32
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    @vududeman
    Completely agree, I have a Rift CV1 + controllers + 3 sensors. All permanently set up but still find it a faff to turn on my computer, wait, login, start up Oculus (+Steam VR), plug in the USB and HDMI, straighten the cable out in the right position... so much of a faff that I rarely use it.
    Quest 2, put your headset on and you're straight back in, so simple.
    But... the faff is worth it for the AAA games if you're going to be in for a couple/few hours. I have yet to give Link or even wireless Link a go though.
  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 5,837 Valuable Player
    edited October 21
    I think we need to be very careful from this point on wishing on new hardware from Oculus. It is obviously that Facebook support has doubled down on Quest-2, and the roll out planned is a multi-million hardware investment. But I doubt we will see any further investment in hardware till at least one strategy proves to return an investment. Remember the promises and claims regarding expected sales on CV1!!


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  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 5,837 Valuable Player
    I was not sure how new to the scene you may be and if you missed the announcement of development of a Half Dome 2 platform - called the Oculus Del Mar [Image] this was to use the mechanical focal length tech claimed to be part of the Half Dome series, and also be twice as powerful as the CV1. For some time posters claimed it would come out as the CV2 or as a new Quest 2 design - but in reality it seem this may have been a dead-end concept used to spice up the clickbait of Oculus Connect events - and may explain the change in format now to Facebook Connect.


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  • synchromesh62synchromesh62 Posts: 329
    Trinity
    Cyion said:

    I would love to see a Quest 2 Pro that has these features:

    - mechanical IPD ******* (IMPORTANT!)
    - built in "quality" headphones
    - a "quality" microphone
    - increased FOV
    - a proper cable that isn't a link cable, I don't want to deal with increased latency due to compression or potentially decreased resolution

    Of course it would cost more, but I am willing to pay it.  

    Cyion
    Ironically that was probably what was omitted to drop the price of the Quest 2 to the $299 
    That will probably all be in Quest 3 next year when the price will probably return to a higher level now they got ya.
    :)
  • inovatorinovator Posts: 2,847 Valuable Player
    Cyion said:

    I would love to see a Quest 2 Pro that has these features:

    - mechanical IPD ******* (IMPORTANT!)
    - built in "quality" headphones
    - a "quality" microphone
    - increased FOV
    - a proper cable that isn't a link cable, I don't want to deal with increased latency due to compression or potentially decreased resolution

    Of course it would cost more, but I am willing to pay it.  

    Cyion
    Ironically that was probably what was omitted to drop the price of the Quest 2 to the $299 
    That will probably all be in Quest 3 next year when the price will probably return to a higher level now they got ya.
    :)
    I don't think the price will go higher for quest 3
     The goal will be to continue making this a mainstream thing. Price contributes to that. We will slowly get all the other goodies as tech costs come down. Maybe before I die of old age.
  • Hiro_Protag0nistHiro_Protag0nist Posts: 5,002 Valuable Player
    Cyion said:

    I would love to see a Quest 2 Pro that has these features:

    - mechanical IPD ******* (IMPORTANT!)
    - built in "quality" headphones
    - a "quality" microphone
    - increased FOV
    - a proper cable that isn't a link cable, I don't want to deal with increased latency due to compression or potentially decreased resolution

    Of course it would cost more, but I am willing to pay it.  

    Cyion
    Ironically that was probably what was omitted to drop the price of the Quest 2 to the $299 
    That will probably all be in Quest 3 next year when the price will probably return to a higher level now they got ya.
    :)

    Pretty confident there will be no Quest 3 until 2022.  More likely 2023.
  • synchromesh62synchromesh62 Posts: 329
    Trinity
    @inovator
    The price thing " now they got ya " was more of a joke and ye the tech will always get cheaper just like my first £500 Blu-ray player which now you can get for about £15.
    Not so sure i was joking about  a Quest 3 next year though.
    :)
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