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AMD Radeon Series RX 6000 video cards (Big Navi, 7nm) - reviews and impressions

RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 7,100 Valuable Player
edited October 28 in General
Everything starts in 3 hours  B)




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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 7,100 Valuable Player
    Cards are expected to be widely available at launch:


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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 7,100 Valuable Player
    edited October 28
    AMD was lucky that Nvidia 3080 has 320w consumption - so they can say 6800 XT is better by using "only" 300w  :D 

    300w is quite a lot - 200w is where things should be for just slightly green gaming. 2c. 

    6800 XT should be same performance as 3080 - but you save 20w  B)

    So far the presentation seems a lot better than Jensen's boring presentation of the Series 30, not sure that counts for much, lol.  

    6800 using 250w might be the sweet spot for many - $579. 
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 7,100 Valuable Player
    edited October 28
    Ooooooooooh  :o  $999 - 300w:



    That presentation felt like an action movie - nice touch letting me get slightly disappointed with 6800, and then came the 6900 XT T-Rex out of nowhere  :D 

    So 6800 totally beats 3070 - but costs $80 more - and uses 30w more (250w).
    6800 XT is like 3080, but you save $50 and 20w - and you will be able to buy it ;)
    6900 XT is similar to 3090 in performance, but $500 cheaper and 50w less power consumption - and you will be able to buy it. 

    Not bad. Actually better than I hoped for - but again, we need to have these results confirmed by independent reviewers. 

    Totally makes sense that Nvidia now needs 3070 Ti and 3080 Ti  B)

    Feels like a divorce  :'( Now we have to choose either mom:

    COVID-19 Updates From Lisa Su  AMD

    - or dad:

    Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang Is Fortunes 2017 Businessperson of the Year   Fortune
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  • ShocksVRShocksVR Posts: 571
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    6800 ($579) is only $80 more than the 3070
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 7,100 Valuable Player
    edited October 28
    ShocksVR said:
    6800 ($579) is only $80 more than the 3070

     My bad - I thought 3070 was 449 - you're correct, it's 499. I just corrected my post, thanks.

    Even better for 6800 then!

    Actually I do not care much for all these pancake numbers - we need VR results! 
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 8,053 Valuable Player
    RuneSR2 said:
    AMD was lucky that Nvidia 3080 has 320w consumption - so they can say 6800 XT is better by using "only" 300w  :D 

    300w is quite a lot - 200w is where things should be for just slightly green gaming. 2c. 

    6800 XT should be same performance as 3080 - but you save 20w  B)

    So far the presentation seems a lot better than Jensen's boring presentation of the Series 30, not sure that counts for much, lol.  

    6800 using 250w might be the sweet spot for many - $579. 

    Fuck Green gaming.

    Up the arse.

    With a cherry on top. 🍒 

    Give me MOOOOAAAARRRRR

    POOOOWWWWAAAAAHHHH!!!

    And let the world BURN 🔥 🤪 😂
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 7,100 Valuable Player
    Linus:


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  • bigmike20vtbigmike20vt Posts: 4,347 Valuable Player
    Was a nice reveal.   The world may be in a dark place.but,.in terms of products at.least (no idea on their shares) AMD have knocked it out of the park this year . NV are having to work hard to stay on top and their scrapped 3080 20gb and 3070 16gb to be replaced by a 3070ti and 3080ti (with less ram but  more powerful) shows NV are having to react.
    Not sure if I will go red team for GPU (a zen3.cpu is a given) but if the inevitable 3080ti price.matches a 6900xt I think I will still edge to that. 4gb less ram but better ray tracing and DLSS. AMD have.clearly closed the.gap and it's nice to have proper options at the top end now

    Iirc Lisa su and Jensen are cousins

    That is 1 powerful family.

    Fiat Coupe, gone. 350Z gone. Dirty nappies, no sleep & practical transport incoming. Thank goodness for VR :)
  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 7,100 Valuable Player


    Iirc Lisa su and Jensen are cousins

    That is 1 powerful family.

    They are indeed connected, more info here:

    https://babeltechreviews.com/nvidias-ceo-is-the-uncle-of-amds-ceo/?amp=1
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  • Digikid1Digikid1 Posts: 2,495 Valuable Player
    Not a fan of the ATI drivers so I'll pass.  HOWEVER this may drive the price of the 3080 down......so I will wait for that.
  • PhoenixSpyderPhoenixSpyder Posts: 368
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    Alway's had Nvidia due to better drivers as said, always will due to Ti's. A stickler I am...

    Glad there's competition now though...to keep green in line :p
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 7,100 Valuable Player
    edited October 29
    Digikid1 said:
    Not a fan of the ATI drivers so I'll pass.  HOWEVER this may drive the price of the 3080 down......so I will wait for that.
    Read a discussion on Reddit - several users claimed they had not a single issue with the Radeon drivers. 

    My experience with Radeon goes back to ATi - I guess something could have changed in the meantime, lol. 

    I have no experience with the current AMD drivers. 
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 7,100 Valuable Player
    edited October 29
    RoadToVR seems happy  :)

    https://www.roadtovr.com/amd-radeon-rx-6900-xt-6800-xt-price-release-date-specs/



    Need to see performance tests using Intel cpus - seems a Ryzen 5000 cpu and Radeon 6000 combo may result in 6 - 12% more performance, and the AMD benchmark results shown yesterday were based on that combo. Thus using Intel cpus, results may be lower - maybe. 
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  • TomCgcmfcTomCgcmfc Posts: 3,073 Valuable Player
    Until I start to see meaningful and definitive comparisons from independent users with Nvidia and AMD GPU's with VR I'm just going to stick with my 3 year old gtx1080ti.  While it's interesting to see 2D flat-screen results, these often do not always translate into equivalent VR results imho.

    Neither Nvidia or AMD have not actually shown performance differences with any VR system using their new GPU's.  Pretty disappointing imho.  Also kinda disappointing that PCVR headset manufactures have not tested these new GPU's out by now as well.  Maybe they have and have found out there is not much in it, lol!  Who knows?

    As far as CPU's go, I doubt I'll be rushing out to upgrade my current i9 9900k (oc'd to 5Ghz on all cores, water cooled, and very stable/cool) to the newest Intel and Ryzen CPU's which would require new motherboards.

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  • DaftnDirectDaftnDirect Posts: 6,363 Volunteer Moderator
    edited October 30
    It was a good reveal and shines a little light on an already quite good power-to-price upgrade that Nvidia announced (compute power, not electrical power!).

    I'll still be waiting for a 3070ti announcement but I'm about ready to give AMD a try if prices point that way. Not really concerned by their driver reputation as I think things have improved.

    The 3070ti will have to be priced midway between 3070 and 3080 so probably £550 rrp but they can push the 3080ti price a bit more and GDDR6X prices are higher than GDDR6 so £150-£200 more for that card maybe?
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 7,100 Valuable Player
    TomCgcmfc said:
    Until I start to see meaningful and definitive comparisons from independent users with Nvidia and AMD GPU's with VR I'm just going to stick with my 3 year old gtx1080ti.  While it's interesting to see 2D flat-screen results, these often do not always translate into equivalent VR results imho.

    Neither Nvidia or AMD have not actually shown performance differences with any VR system using their new GPU's.  Pretty disappointing imho.  Also kinda disappointing that PCVR headset manufactures have not tested these new GPU's out by now as well.  Maybe they have and have found out there is not much in it, lol!  Who knows?

    As far as CPU's go, I doubt I'll be rushing out to upgrade my current i9 9900k (oc'd to 5Ghz on all cores, water cooled, and very stable/cool) to the newest Intel and Ryzen CPU's which would require new motherboards.
    You got similar performance as the 2080 and probably the upcoming 3060, not sure you need to upgrade anything. 

    I tried Agos last night, it worked fine using my 1080 and Index res 200% with 2xMSAA. 

    Upgrading my 1080 does feel like luxury, the games where I need it most are games where I only use CV1 due to TAA and even the SDE. Like Asgard's Wrath. And Stormland. 

    Btw, too many jaggies on Agos no matter what I did with Index, refunded as Steam didn't support native Oculus drivers - going to buy the game in the Oculus Store today. 

    Getting a 3090 or 6900XT primarily for CV1 does feel like some sort of overkill - but another target is 120+ Hz with the Index. Not sure the latter is worth more than let's say $200 to me, lol.

    We need an AAA VR game that runs very badly on everything than 3080/6800XT!

    Gnomes & Goblins could be such a game, but the game ran [email protected]@CV1 last night after the new performance patch. Maybe I should write to the devs : "Please STOP making your game run great on my 1080, you're ruining EVERYTHING!"  :D
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  • jabjab Posts: 314
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    edited October 30
    I am also waiting for real world results before 1080ti upgrade. And just as I did with AMD vs Intel, I am willing to slightly favor AMD just to give Nvidia a message the only way they will listen.
  • TomCgcmfcTomCgcmfc Posts: 3,073 Valuable Player
    jab said:
    I am also waiting for real world results before 1080ti upgrade. And just as I did with AMD vs Intel, I am willing to slightly favor AMD just to give Nvidia a message the only way they will listen.
    Don't buy anything to send messages.  Buy what you think works best imho.

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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 7,100 Valuable Player
    edited November 21
    A bit late to the party, but I forgot to write this post 2 days ago. We can do it very quickly, like the sailor told the nun ;)

    Tests below performed with an Intel cpu, thus no Ryzen advantages here. 

    1. 6800XT (without Rage Mode) is 4% slower than 3080 - and 13% slower than 3090:

    AVERAGE 4K PERFORMANCE IN 22 DIFFERENT GAMES

    Average Gaming FPS FPS 3840x2160

    Thus it's basically same speed as 3080 - furthermore activating vsync, many may find it close to impossible to consciously experience fps differences comparing 6800XT and 3090 ;)

    Power consumption is a lot better than both 3080 and 3090 though:

    Graphics Card only Power Draw Average

    6800XT uses 18% less power than 3080 - and 24% less than 3090. 

    Maybe better to sum up:

    Performance in 4K:
    3090 = 100 %
    3080 = 91 %
    6800XT = 87 %
    6800 = 76 %
    3070 = 70 %

    Power consumption:
    3090 = 100 %
    3080 = 93 %
    6800XT = 76 %
    3070 = 64 %
    6800 = 61 %

    Amazing to see AMD winning the battle of best power efficacy compared to achieved performance. 

    3070 does win best performance per $, while the biggest loser in this category is 3090:

    Performance per Dollar FPS 3840x2160

    In short, 6800XT is basically same speed as 3080, but uses about 60 watts less power. 

    Source: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt/

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