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VR Porn (MEGATHREAD) NSFW

HerolordHerolord Posts: 300
NerveGear
edited March 2017 in General
Pokey wrote:
The problem with that is that most people don't want to have relations with a texture. They would have to use 3d scans as displayed in a previous thread.
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  • HappyHimitsuHappyHimitsu Posts: 990
    Art3mis
    I disagree. While real life porn would certainly be cool in VR their are hordes of people already who go for the CG stuff just for a taste of something different. I think the implications for both are enormous; my Wife and I look forwards to both of them! :)
    “If you are willing to look at another person’s behavior toward you as a reflection of the state of their relationship with themselves rather than a statement about your value as a person, then you will, over a period of time cease to react at all.”
    (~I really gotta remember this shiz~)
    ― Yogi Bhajan
  • spire8989spire8989 Posts: 337
    Hiro Protagonist
    Sinful Robot is gone, but the main guy(s?) behind it went on to make Wicked Paradise:
    http://www.wickedparadise.com

    Not too much news on it though, a screenshot or two.
  • captaintripscaptaintrips Posts: 313
    Hiro Protagonist
    Im going to say the same thing about VR porn as I said about 3Dtv porn...

    While it may seem like there's a lot of upsides to this, people are quick to forget the downside's of things coming out of the screen...


    ...do you *REALLY* want that thing poking you in the eye?

    Even when High Defintion came rolling around... suddenly it went from soft, blurry texture to grainy, bumpy imperfections. What looked like a beauty mark suddenly clarifies itself as a ingrown hair (or worse).

    no thanks, and be careful for what you wish for :lol:
  • spire8989spire8989 Posts: 337
    Hiro Protagonist
    I don't mind hd 3d porn, just have to find the high quality ones with the pornstars who are actually worth being paid (physically). I never notice such 'imperfections'...
  • HappyHimitsuHappyHimitsu Posts: 990
    Art3mis
    spire8989 wrote:
    I don't mind hd 3d porn, just have to find the high quality ones with the pornstars who are actually worth being paid (physically). I never notice such 'imperfections'...
    Agreed. I have a 47" Passive 3d Toshiba and hd 3d porn is awesome when it's done right. It is difficult however to find videos where the quality is good that suit my tastes.
    Hustler has a good collection with pretty good 3d but I can't stand all that fake pornstar baloney. Give me amateur any day.

    I really do think VR porn will be amazing knowing the positive effects well-done stereoscopy can have on it.
    Some of that 3d scanned model stuff looks pretty amazing.

    Have any of you ever seen 'The Great Porn Experiment' on TED? http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_263672&src_vid=zif0_60b3WU&feature=iv&v=wSF82AwSDiU
    I am really curious as to how more (or less? Doubtful but who knows?) pronounced the effects they are talking about here will be with the implementation of this level of immersion.

    Lookout r/NoFap/‎! Your about to have a spillover from r/Oculus/! :lol:
    “If you are willing to look at another person’s behavior toward you as a reflection of the state of their relationship with themselves rather than a statement about your value as a person, then you will, over a period of time cease to react at all.”
    (~I really gotta remember this shiz~)
    ― Yogi Bhajan
  • jwilkinsjwilkins Posts: 580
    Art3mis
    Most of the 3D porn I looked at that was designed for 3D TVs seemed to treat the scene like a diorama. I guess they have trouble with traditional (porn) camera work really working well for 3D. I actually kind of wish 3D movies would tone down all the "cinematography" for 3D, or at least adapt more, but I understand there is a tension between making a good 3D movie and a good 2D movie. (One thing I really liked about The Matrix was that it was so easy to follow the action, unlike so many other movies, even in 2D).

    As for the question of if you want certain things to be poking your eyes out, or whatever, I think it is a little presumptuous to assume what kind of sexual imagery people might enjoy :)

    As for making love to a texture, it is always going to be a texture (queue the "life like texture" meme). We are talking about fake sex so it seems kind of pointless to complain that it isn't real. It is all a fantasy. And again, it is presumptuous to assume that people will want anything in particular once people become uninhibited.

    People will certainly enjoy things that are considered repugnant and there will even almost certainly be a moral panic and a cry to make such things illegal.

    I'm actually working on an essay that goes into this issue which asks the question "Should what happens in VR stay in VR?" When asked "Would you rape a woman if there were no consequences" (sorry that is a paraphrase), about 60% of men say yes. A lot of people are shocked by this, but I think of it as asking about a person's fantasy, and I don't think you can judge people based on their fantasies. But people will start to judge if they catch people in such fantasies playing out in VR! I think it will take a while for this kind of thing to work through society. (See the Hollow Pursuits episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation for an earlier exploration of this controversy/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Pursuits).

    As for the imperfections of real human bodies. I'm actually turned off by highly physically "perfect" porn stars. They seem so artificial to me and the sex is just as hollow and unsatisfying. I like real people and less over produced amateur style things. Sounds kind of paradoxical. I like fantastic things, but not when you are trying to pull it off with real people. If it has to be real, give me normal imperfect people.
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  • sihasiha Posts: 15
    JohnRambo wrote:
    Pokey wrote:
    I'd love to see Priya Rai go 3D. I'd be willing to buy the Rift headset just for that purpose.

    Dude, methinks you may be obsessed with him. How many mentions so far??
  • jwilkinsjwilkins Posts: 580
    Art3mis
    siha wrote:
    JohnRambo wrote:
    Pokey wrote:
    I'd love to see Priya Rai go 3D. I'd be willing to buy the Rift headset just for that purpose.

    Dude, methinks you may be obsessed with him. How many mentions so far??

    Whether or not Priya is a transgender individual or not, it is polite to refer to them using their preferred personal pronoun. Not doing so implies that you somehow know better than they do what gender they are.

    I say this even though I'm pretty sure you are just trolling.
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  • captaintripscaptaintrips Posts: 313
    Hiro Protagonist
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  • HerolordHerolord Posts: 300
    NerveGear
    jwilkins wrote:

    Whether or not Priya is a transgender individual or not, it is polite to refer to them using their preferred personal pronoun. Not doing so implies that you somehow know better than they do what gender they are.

    I say this even though I'm pretty sure you are just trolling.
    But if he was a man, he would be a man. Is his "spirit" a female? Also, what if he wanted to be treated as a cat? Would you argue for legally viewing him as a cat, and would you patronize him by referring to him as such? What if he wanted to treat other realities as not so? What if he said "to me, I feel like 1+1=3", would you then act as though 1+1 equaled 3 to spare his feelings? Also, don't liberals claim that gender is a social construct? So how can one be born the "wrong gender"?
  • jwilkinsjwilkins Posts: 580
    Art3mis
    EDIT: Let me just put it this way, so it is somewhat on topic. Let's say that we were in a VR simulation and I chose a female avatar. Do you think I'd appreciate being referred to as a "he"? I'd think that was pretty rude. This isn't even hypothetical, I do find it rude in non-VR games. I don't think it is that hard to extend such courtesy to real reality.



    Oh come on. Do you really want to argue about this? If I said I wanted to be called "Jay", would you start arguing with me about my personal reality? Stop exaggerating.

    As for being the "wrong gender", you are confusing gender and sex. Some people aren't even born with an identifiable sex, so your comment is doubly ignorant.

    I'm surprised you'd be interested in participating in a thread about fantasy sex in virtual reality and you have not the first clue about these things. Please go educate yourself a little before I have to start throwing around terms like "cis" and "privileged" which will guarantee that the thread will never recover ;)

    You should probably also refrain from guessing my politics.
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  • sihasiha Posts: 15
    Lol at some of the responses in here. Defending rudeness against a porn star. Classic. :lol:
  • nihiliannihilian Posts: 122
    My 2c:

    People will always want real porn, but I personally like animated better.

    1. Unrestricted by human physiology, you can have any shape/size/color/species you want, I won't raise examples, use your dirty dirty minds.

    2. Less possibility of exploiting human beings, therefore more moral. Think of the poor guys who have to maintain a certain "posture" all day long and don't even get as much fame for their efforts as some of their colleagues. :lol:

    3. Gets better with age. The live action aspect of visual story telling has peaked already, digital animation is still constantly improving.

    4. ???

    5. Profit
  • nihiliannihilian Posts: 122
    1. VR is not limited to America.
    2. Porn is not exclusively produced and consumed in America.
    3. Exploitation happens in free countries.

    If you want to discuss this topic further, PM me so we don't get this thread closed again.
  • HerolordHerolord Posts: 300
    NerveGear
    JohnRambo wrote:
    nihilian wrote:

    2. Less possibility of exploiting human beings, therefore more moral. Think of the poor guys who have to maintain a certain "posture" all day long and don't even get as much fame for their efforts as some of their colleagues. :lol:

    Last time I checked, America is a free country and no one is being forced at gun point to do anything.

    The female porn stars are not "being exploited". They are voluntarily choosing to do that job.

    As for all the talk about Priya Rai being a man, what the hell? I've seen plenty of her videos and all I can say is, she is 100 percent woman. If you have any evidence to the contrary, please provide it. And "My uncle told me" does not count as evidence.
    Transgendered (misnomer) are always still obviously the sex they are, especially when discussing them in the nude as would be the case with Priya. If her genitals don't looks like a mutilated mess, she is authentic.
  • jwilkinsjwilkins Posts: 580
    Art3mis
    siha wrote:
    Lol at some of the responses in here. Defending rudeness against a porn star. Classic. :lol:

    Is your point that a porn star doesn't deserve courtesy? That would probably include anybody who develops adult entertainment or VR.

    One reason why I think the western adult entertainment industry is so sleezy is because of this kind of attitude. Kind of a vicious cycle where lack of respect leads to creative talent finding more respectable things to do, which leads to a lack luster production values, which isn't respectable... (doesn't help that the audience probably isn't picky enough).

    It is also impossible to get traditional research funding for something like this, lol. This is actually a general problem for anything related to sex, even when there are genuine questions.

    One could probably do a real MA/MS or PhD on breast physics, but nobody would let you. (Way too much fun?)
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  • captaintripscaptaintrips Posts: 313
    Hiro Protagonist
    "James Deen: The VR Experience"
  • HerolordHerolord Posts: 300
    NerveGear
    The fact that in some country some where a woman can get exploited has no relevance to the porn genre at all. It is pretty silly to argue that because something bad happens somewhere, the medium should be banished altogether. Lets ban parks because in some shit country somewhere, a bad thing happened at a park. The vast majority of porn stars and prostitutes are there voluntarily due to the simple fact that people don't have to use force to get women to be prostitutes or porn stars since millions of them have done so for the cash benefits. It's similar to why there isn't an active draft for servicemen in America, because they don't need a draft since there are enough who volunteer for the cash benefits.
  • HerolordHerolord Posts: 300
    NerveGear
    Is anyone working on a Scarlett Johannsen Mod for Skyrim?
  • nihiliannihilian Posts: 122
    Herolord wrote:
    The fact that in some country some where a woman can get exploited has no relevance to the porn genre at all. It is pretty silly to argue that because something bad happens somewhere, the medium should be banished altogether. Lets ban parks because in some shit country somewhere, a bad thing happened at a park. The vast majority of porn stars and prostitutes are there voluntarily due to the simple fact that people don't have to use force to get women to be prostitutes or porn stars since millions of them have done so for the cash benefits. It's similar to why there isn't an active draft for servicemen in America, because they don't need a draft since there are enough who volunteer for the cash benefits.

    Who are you addressing? I don't see anyone suggesting we ban porn anywhere...
  • HappyHimitsuHappyHimitsu Posts: 990
    Art3mis
    Oh for goodness sakes Herolord, this again?
    I understand that you obviously have a lot to say but can't you just let the VR Porn thread be the VR Porn thread and not turn it into some big debate? I'd rather like to keep this thread from being locked like the other one.
    :roll:
    “If you are willing to look at another person’s behavior toward you as a reflection of the state of their relationship with themselves rather than a statement about your value as a person, then you will, over a period of time cease to react at all.”
    (~I really gotta remember this shiz~)
    ― Yogi Bhajan
  • MrGeddingsMrGeddings Posts: 604
    Art3mis
    i dont see a problem with it. Honestly. a few companies have said something about making something for the Rift the first one the one that got annouced in the news i think is not going to happen. The guy posted on MTBS that his funding got cut.t the info email to the website doesnt work and he has not replied to either my MTBS message or the facebook message so.......sadly doubt that will see the light of day. But i think it would be a cool concept. not sure about 3d porn "games" lets face it most of them are sub par. but as given an example in one of the other posts 360 video is possible. could be possible to make a 360 video that you can have head tracking with. even if it was a fixed position it still might be pretty cool. We shall see. Honestly for me seeing it work with second life would be pretty cool thats about as "advanced" of a "sex game" you'r gonna get . so......we'll see. I hope to see some options that are at least half way decent ;-)
  • jwilkinsjwilkins Posts: 580
    Art3mis
    I'm not sure who brought up exploitation. I think VR porn will reveal that most people aren't really truly concerned about people being exploited, but they just want to police other people's thoughts.

    If VR sex is some kind of technologically mediated experience between consenting adults then anybody concerned about exploitation should welcome it. Even in the unlikely even that a person is forced into being a "VR whore" (new fangled cam whore), who wouldn't see that as infinitely better than being kidnapped and trafficked across the world in order to be physically violated by strangers?

    But that won't cause outrage as much as people indulging in fantasies with completely digital creations. In other threads we've talked about perceptual illusions, but there are some interesting work based on how our brains are wired which implies to me that there is an erotic gold mine of novel experiences just waiting in VR:
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  • kojackkojack Posts: 5,449 Volunteer Moderator
    JohnRambo wrote:
    Do you guys know what kind of camera technology would be required in order to film a porn star and then render it into a 3D environment? I need an answer to that question fast, as I have approached one porn star with the idea of filming her in 3D and her agent has replied to me and told me he would discuss it with her.
    It would depend on the budget and quality required.
    The lowest end of the scale would be a kinect using the kinectfusion app (which generates detailed polygon models of 3d space) to build a 3d model. I was able to make an ok 3d model of my head (the hair went strange, but the face was ok) just by holding the kinect at arm's length and orbiting it around, then applied a photo texture to it in Maya. At the very least it would give a base model for an artist to clean up in zbrush or other modelling tool.

    Then rig it and do some motion capture to control the model (could use the kinect again, but will require manual animation cleaning up too).

    Edit: unless you mean just recording in 3d using stereo cameras then compositing into a 3d scene, that would be a lot easier. Either get two good cameras or a single camera with a 3d lens splitter.
  • IsoMacintoshIsoMacintosh Posts: 325
    i have played some japanese porn games and noticed one part that needs improvent. the cumshots.
    Do modern computers have enough power to do the cumshots using realistic fluid simulation? i have not seen anyone do it.
    also can you even do simulated fluids in udk?
    if someone has examples of simulating small amounts of fluids, id be interested.
  • HappyHimitsuHappyHimitsu Posts: 990
    Art3mis
    i have played some japanese porn games and noticed one part that needs improvent. the cumshots.
    Do modern computers have enough power to do the cumshots using realistic fluid simulation? i have not seen anyone do it.
    also can you even do simulated fluids in udk?
    if someone has examples of simulating small amounts of fluids, id be interested.

    Do you think you could try to be a little less 'juvenile' in your terms? Something a little more mature such as 'money shot' instead of your choice words would go a long ways in keeping the discussion from degrading into something offensive to those other people browsing these pages.
    Their are many different people reading these forums and I would think we would want to keep the appeal as open as possible if we would like to continue such topics here, rather than be banished to speak about them in some dark corner of the internet.
    Thanks.

    Now as for the realistic fluid simulation matter. I don't think it is an issue of whether or not it could be done, but whether or not it would be worth the developers investment to incorporate such a thing when I think that most people would not really care one way or another.
    I'm sure it would have it's place though and I could be wrong, but that would be my best guess anyhow.
    “If you are willing to look at another person’s behavior toward you as a reflection of the state of their relationship with themselves rather than a statement about your value as a person, then you will, over a period of time cease to react at all.”
    (~I really gotta remember this shiz~)
    ― Yogi Bhajan
  • IsoMacintoshIsoMacintosh Posts: 325
    Do you think you could try to be a little less 'juvenile' in your terms? Something a little more mature such as 'money shot' instead of your choice words would go a long ways in keeping the discussion from degrading into something offensive to those other people browsing these pages.
    Their are many different people reading these forums and I would think we would want to keep the appeal as open as possible if we would like to continue such topics here, rather than be banished to speak about them in some dark corner of the internet.
    Thanks.
    Well people should not get offended from such small things. but next time i will use some different term.
  • nihiliannihilian Posts: 122
    JohnRambo wrote:
    Do you guys know what kind of camera technology would be required in order to film a porn star and then render it into a 3D environment? I need an answer to that question fast, as I have approached one porn star with the idea of filming her in 3D and her agent has replied to me and told me he would discuss it with her.

    The cheapest way to do stereo 3d filming is just to get 2 cameras, can be any kind, dSLR works fine,
    and mount them to a home-made rail fixture.

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how-to/tips/how-to-make-a-3d-camera
    http://filmmakeriq.com/2009/06/diy-3d-with-two-cameras-and-after-effects/
  • jwilkinsjwilkins Posts: 580
    Art3mis
    The problem with language seems to be that terms either have a very clinical sound or a juvenile sound. Occasionally you have a euphemism that doesn't sound like either, but I think that is the exception. People should be able to write how they want without being corrected since it is hard enough already. If you have fragile sensibilities I'm not sure why you would be in a thread that is discussing adult games.

    As for fluid simulation of ejaculate (clinical term, yay!, but what follows is a discussion of physically based modeling): Semen varies in viscosity, but is generally very thick and sticky. Modeling it like the gels in Portal 2 or something is going to look rather ridiculous. I'm not aware of any real time fluid algorithms that could actually handle it.

    Take something like the following video (thin sheet fluid rendering), but add stickiness, and increase the viscosity AND do it in real time.



    Or, if you really don't care that much, slap a "cum shader" on some metablobs.

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  • spire8989spire8989 Posts: 337
    Hiro Protagonist
    i have played some japanese porn games and noticed one part that needs improvent. the cumshots.
    Do modern computers have enough power to do the cumshots using realistic fluid simulation? i have not seen anyone do it.
    also can you even do simulated fluids in udk?
    if someone has examples of simulating small amounts of fluids, id be interested.

    Do you think you could try to be a little less 'juvenile' in your terms? Something a little more mature such as 'money shot' instead of your choice words would go a long ways in keeping the discussion from degrading into something offensive to those other people browsing these pages.
    Their are many different people reading these forums and I would think we would want to keep the appeal as open as possible if we would like to continue such topics here, rather than be banished to speak about them in some dark corner of the internet.
    Thanks.

    Now as for the realistic fluid simulation matter. I don't think it is an issue of whether or not it could be done, but whether or not it would be worth the developers investment to incorporate such a thing when I think that most people would not really care one way or another.
    I'm sure it would have it's place though and I could be wrong, but that would be my best guess anyhow.

    You're okay with money shot and not cumshot? Grow up.
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