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  • InfiniteInfinite Posts: 128
    nihilian wrote:
    But I think at the same time VR presents the challenge of how to take advantage of all the possible view angles to compose compelling images. Some scenes could be given a totally different emotional quality or meaning depending on how you view it, and this is a great opportunity to experiment with visual story telling.

    .. a bit like reality? you have the freedom to decide where to watch and how :D
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  • nihiliannihilian Posts: 122
    Yeah, and reality has its share of fans for sure :lol:
    Film relies a lot about trimming away reality, or reshaping it, filtering it through the director's vision into something else. Both are valuable tools to entertain.

    For example if you were to film a 3d porn movie, of course you'll have the free view mode where viewers can watch the scene however they like, this will be great for most people.
    You could have a few preset angles where the viewer can press a button to go into, and they'd get these beautifully composed shots of the director's choice, complete with presets for focal depth, aperture and all that.

    And you could give viewers the ability to set their own viewpoints with camera settings and share them with others, and people could share them on a social platform, and upvote the most beautiful, dynamic or just kinky viewpoints.

    You'll turn porn into a social artform. ^^
  • jwilkinsjwilkins Posts: 580
    Art3mis
    I don't think "uncanny valley" is cliched. It isn't just a synonym for "creepy" because it outlines a specific reason something is creepy. Specifically that something is close enough to being human that our brains start to consider minor flaws to be signs of disease to be avoided.

    I think flaws in animation is much more likely to bring out this out than stills. Doing simulation instead of playing back a recording is also much more likely to cause this.

    I also think it is not just a matter of computational power, but of finding the correct simulation algorithms. I mean, with more processing power we could use very accurate simulation techniques, but do we really need them? They seem like overkill, especially when we have things like lossy compression algorithms that remove 99% of the actual data from other sensory streams and we don't really notice. But organisms have spent hundreds of millions of years avoiding sick individuals, so maybe it really is needed :)
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  • InfiniteInfinite Posts: 128
    jwilkins wrote:
    I don't think "uncanny valley" is cliched. It isn't just a synonym for "creepy" because it outlines a specific reason something is creepy. Specifically that something is close enough to being human that our brains start to consider minor flaws to be signs of disease to be avoided.

    Yeah I know what it means, I mean it's an overused expression something you hear allot in the CG community to describe that emotional response (it's been around since the 70's, even before that) I guess it helps educate the general public.

    When artists start to light, shade, rig and run simulations like you describe that is the hurdle to overcome. Even Weta struggle in this department but those guys are the leaders in this field, great minds on the task. Even they have yet to pull off a one to one human match. Clu and Benjamin Button are used allot (Digital Domain) as reference but they are quite poor examples really and they cost $1,000,000's to produce.
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  • nihiliannihilian Posts: 122
    I thought Benjamin buttons was quite good compared to the rest, I made a point to watch the movie before I read about the technology behind it, and it struck me as slightly odd, but I didn't realize it was a full cg double for some of the shots.
    The cost is for sure ridiculous, I remember hearing one guy spent 2 years just on the tongue. :lol:

    What in your opinion is the best full cg performance? I hear some ambitious claims about James Cameron's battle angel with alita supposedly being full cg, but don't really know if/when that will come out.
  • jwilkinsjwilkins Posts: 580
    Art3mis
    Interesting. Since Alita isn't human any uncanniness could be put off as artistic license :)
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  • nihiliannihilian Posts: 122
    jwilkins wrote:
    Interesting. Since Alita isn't human any uncanniness could be put off as artistic license :)
    I hope they don't pull a MichaelBay like that, Alita's humanity is one of the things that makes Battle Angel enjoyable.
    The other thing is obviously splattered brains and spines.
  • jwilkinsjwilkins Posts: 580
    Art3mis
    I was kidding :)

    But remember that Alita's humanity has been conveyed, thus far, completely through non-photorealistic media.

    A lot of the sex we are sold through advertisements has been photoshopped into what is basically cartoon.

    I'm tempted to say that people who claim to want realism are not truly being honest with themselves.

    I knew somebody once who was largely disappointed with the world. "An ideal picnic", she said, "wouldn't have ants and mosquitoes."

    We might scan in these models, but how long before techniques are developed to airbrush out every blemish, pluck out every hair, and iron out every wrinkle, until we left with a photorealistic cartoon?

    If that is what is done, and it is already done in all other media, then "realistic" is only a genre name, and not the truth.

    I guess my point is, if you are going to have picnic with no bugs then the picnic you are having is a fantasy, or something. :lol:

    I guess I feel like people are drawing too sharp a line between real and fantasy. It isn't like you instantly become a furry as soon as you get turned on by something non-photorealistic.

    BTW, I'm really impressed by IR's full body scans. Wow!
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  • jwilkinsjwilkins Posts: 580
    Art3mis
    Oh dear, looks like somebody forgot to add enough fluoride to the water supply somewhere.
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  • HappyHimitsuHappyHimitsu Posts: 990
    Art3mis
    jwilkins wrote:
    Oh dear, looks like somebody forgot to add enough fluoride to the water supply somewhere.
    I thought the chemtrails were supposed to take care of that bit?
    “If you are willing to look at another person’s behavior toward you as a reflection of the state of their relationship with themselves rather than a statement about your value as a person, then you will, over a period of time cease to react at all.”
    (~I really gotta remember this shiz~)
    ― Yogi Bhajan
  • jwilkinsjwilkins Posts: 580
    Art3mis
    I really enjoyed Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball back in the day (except for the fact that I could only get the American to accept the skimpiest swimsuit and she does so with absolutely zero hesitation!).



    However, one missing detail of realism really blew it for me. The girls don't breath..

    I could get over their poreless skin, their spring-mass-damper breasts, and under-damped constraint system hair (w/ self intersection thrown in to sweeten the deal).

    But they don't breath, so they just felt exactly like the dolls that they are (and this game does play like a dress up dolly game for teen boys).
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  • IsoMacintoshIsoMacintosh Posts: 325
    NerveGear
    uhh
    Please dont derail the thread johnrambo, just make sure your tinfoil hat is on and stay on topic.
  • PinglesPingles Posts: 155
    Hiro Protagonist
    As an artist I have always preferred stylized characters (ie hand-drawn Disney over rotoscoped movies like Anastasia) and while our advancements in true-to-life 3D models are breathtaking I hope we don't lose touch with animating characters who are not perfectly proportioned or shaped.

    Even in VR porn.
  • cyberealitycybereality Posts: 26,156 Oculus Staff
    I liked DOA Xtreme 2, but the whole game was a big tease. Unless I just sucked at playing it, I couldn't get anywhere. Still fun though. Also really like Rumble Roses XX. I can understand they can only go so far on consoles though, or they would never get approved. Good thing you can release unrated games on the PC. Even so, seems like there is not much action in this market.
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  • HappyHimitsuHappyHimitsu Posts: 990
    Art3mis
    I forgot all about Rumble Roses, I never had a PS2 back when the first one was out but I had a buddy who was happy to make comparisons between the girls on there and the ones on DOA2 for the Xbox.
    Seeing the girls from beach volleyball reminded me just how much I can enjoy that type of CG, I don't think I ever realized they didn't breathe, I was always to busy paying attention to other details. :lol:
    Man I spent a lot of time messing about to get the 'nude codes' to work when that came out even though I suspected they were all BS lol
    It was still fun trying though!
    “If you are willing to look at another person’s behavior toward you as a reflection of the state of their relationship with themselves rather than a statement about your value as a person, then you will, over a period of time cease to react at all.”
    (~I really gotta remember this shiz~)
    ― Yogi Bhajan
  • jwilkinsjwilkins Posts: 580
    Art3mis
    Why did Kasumi have to be such a good girl and not accept my generous gift of dental fl... I mean swimsuit?
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  • IsoMacintoshIsoMacintosh Posts: 325
    NerveGear
    Seeing the girls from beach volleyball reminded me just how much I can enjoy that type of CG, I don't think I ever realized they didn't breathe, I was always to busy paying attention to other details. :lol:
    Exactly, these games dont have to be photorealistic to be enjoyable.
    Personally im hoping that on top of all the projects that aim for photorealism we can have some that take more cartoony appearance.
    Man I spent a lot of time messing about to get the 'nude codes' to work when that came out even though I suspected they were all BS lol
    It was still fun trying though!
    AFAIK the only way to get them nude is to modify the game files on pc and play the modified version on xbox with a modchip. this applies to both of these games
    Good thing you can release unrated games on the PC. Even so, seems like there is not much action in this market.
    For porn games the right place to look is japan, where companies like illusion, techarts3d and kiss bring out all kinds of games
  • spire8989spire8989 Posts: 337
    Hiro Protagonist
    You are by far the best troll on these forums, but let's keep talking about porn please, not the Illuminati or giving you money...
  • IsoMacintoshIsoMacintosh Posts: 325
    NerveGear
    Perhaps a mod could give JohnRambo some time out from this forum.
    Seems like his posts are getting out of hand again.
  • HappyHimitsuHappyHimitsu Posts: 990
    Art3mis
    AFAIK the only way to get them nude is to modify the game files on pc and play the modified version on xbox with a modchip. this applies to both of these games
    Yeah I must have been out of it when I made that comment lol, I have actually been soft-modding xbox's for close to a decade and although I never tried a nude patch for beach volleyball I did have them for DOA3 (I said doa2 before but I must have had too much sun, or not enough noopept).
    It sure beat getting Kasumi to cartwheel to catch a glimpse of her panties (back then I did not have internet, I had to use friends PC's to get all the mod files).

    Off-topic but if you can get your hands on an original xbox they can be soft-modded relatively easily and they make awesome media-center/pvr's, just set it up with XBMC and enjoy all it has to offer.
    “If you are willing to look at another person’s behavior toward you as a reflection of the state of their relationship with themselves rather than a statement about your value as a person, then you will, over a period of time cease to react at all.”
    (~I really gotta remember this shiz~)
    ― Yogi Bhajan
  • jwilkinsjwilkins Posts: 580
    Art3mis
    I'm glad it isn't just me that has fond memories of DOA Volleyball :)

    About the game being a "tease." Well, yeah, it is. But this reminds me that personally I find most hentai anime to be a complete snoozefest while I often find what is referred to as etchi to be very entertaining. The closest that Western media seems to get to this is something like American Pie, although the Western POV that sex is something dirty seems to pervade even that light hearted movie.

    Etchi often places a protagonist into an awkward situation where consummation is not possible and then proceeds with what I would describe as sexual slapstick. A common example is that the mostly female cast all find the protagonist attractive but for some reason (terminal shyness, fear of the girls superpowers, the girls are his step-sisters, etc.). That can be reversed to, with the protagonist being a huge perv but the girls aren't having any of it. Interestingly enough, a very large percentage of anime incorporates these elements to some degree even without the fan service. I think this style evolved out of hormone fueled interactions that real Japanese teenagers must have despite that fact that the average Japanese person loses their virginity after high school (i.e., the Japanese spend 3 more years on average stewing in their hormones before getting it on).

    To bring this back to the topic, I find this style of mild erotic play very entertaining and it is interesting to think of how it could be incorporated into a game that is not even considered erotic. For example, staring at a female NPCs breasts or trying to get an up-skirt view should probably ellicit a realistic response no matter what kind of game it is! But, it sure would be a bummer if the NPC gave you a sexual harassment speech ("I don't have to take it!"). The response to such actions by an anime protagonist are almost always emasculating and funny (although it is almost always an accident).

    Personally, I'd love it if the cold ninja assassin threatened to cut me in half because I dwelled too long on her chest, especially if she was blushing and lost her composure while she did, as if she were suppressing her hidden feelings for me... OK, maybe that is the wrong message to be sending, but it would be fun. :lol:
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  • sobchaksobchak Posts: 99
    JohnRambo wrote:
    You can download it from any torrent site.
    A supposed developer touting piracy. Will the wonders never cease?
  • jwilkinsjwilkins Posts: 580
    Art3mis
    edited May 2013
    A Japanese game artist (Honjou Raita, character designer for Valkyria Chronicles) came up with a concept for what I consider to be a parody of girl games. A lot of the appeal, or moe, of the girls in these kinds of games is derived from their vulnerability and weakness, so why not crank that up to 11?



    The name, Katawa Shoujo is probably well translated as Cripple Girls and is exactly as offensive as it sounds.

    4Chan picked up on this and some dedicated individuals ran with it. So although the concept was a Japanese joke, Anon ran with it and actually made a finished game out of it. The game does involve forming relationships with and eventually sleeping one of the girls (depending on which "route" you take).

    Personally, I think it is wrong to infantilize people who are seen as vulnerable to the point that it is wrong to imagine or depict them in sexual situations. However, I also think it is weird to fetishize it.
    sobchak wrote:
    JohnRambo wrote:
    You can download it from any torrent site.
    A supposed developer touting piracy. Will the wonders never cease?

    I'm quite sure that KS is freely available. The only IP violation is that the circle who made it kind of stole Honjou Raita's idea.
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  • HappyHimitsuHappyHimitsu Posts: 990
    Art3mis
    jwilkins, your posts have brought me back to fond memories of KissXSiss and Astarottes Toy.
    I think my Wife and I might have to watch those over the next few months! :)
    “If you are willing to look at another person’s behavior toward you as a reflection of the state of their relationship with themselves rather than a statement about your value as a person, then you will, over a period of time cease to react at all.”
    (~I really gotta remember this shiz~)
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  • jwilkinsjwilkins Posts: 580
    Art3mis
    I cannot express how envious that makes me. :mrgreen:
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  • Rambo, our veterans are often not treated with proper respect and I appreciate your movies ;) My own father dying from PTSD related issues from his combat experiences.

    I have heard of a user on youtube called stardusk refer to these men as "grass eaters" but we are going off topic and I want to talk about other things. (however Nikola Tesla had some interesting views on this that merely from a historical perspective are interesting and I will try a new thread based on that)

    First in reference to sinful robot! WOW! I was wondering why I hadn't heard anything from them, I had talked to them many months ago about funding them with a million dollars and was told they already had previous committments to earlier investors, and we agreed it would be unethical to continue discussions, but would contact me later if circumstances changed. We discussed the time I had spent in Vegas at the AVN talking with Vuzix and their dealings with several famous porn stars and how Hustler and Flynt was not standing still on this issue. I wonder what went on that accredited investors didn't merit follow up? LOL! I didn't realize the amounts involved make millions seem like small change maybe. This just adds weight to previous memes in other threads how quickly things are blowing up and rising from ashes again in this industry!

    As to freedom in america relating to Porn, http://www.oculusrift.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1894&p=9452&hilit=snow#p9452 already covered a few topics here, namely that bankers are denying porn stars and the porn industry loans now based on moral reasons (even though I personally know many bankers that use porn and are personally excited about VR Porn) so it seems rather hypocritical to me. There is an article there linked to aurora snow complaining about some good issues and I even mention Paul Little. For those that don't know, he was locked up for many years because the government administration at the time said his porn was just too much (now we are on the slippery slope of who gets to interpret for us what is objectionable porn and what is not, I like making my own choices thank you very much.) I sent him money in jail a few times, but near the end his lawyers tried to hit me up for 50K to pay off various legal fees that was still owed, he had just transferred out of the texas prison I believe to some halfway house in california, and I could never reach him anymore after that, I passed. He is a really nice guy in person though, but as the post in that other thread shows, he is now very AFRAID to even discuss condom issues, that is what the tyranny has done to this artist. I think of that movie Wild Palms that Cyber said he watched as a kid, it seems very prescient.
    mtbs3d.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4123 I am looking into that LEEP VR I lack practical 3d knowledge, I have found some good links, but I am not sure if they are the ones you were talking about. Would you mind direct linking me to them? :oops:
  • usb420usb420 Posts: 291
    fund me with a million dollars and I'll give you all the VR porn you could ever want. :D
  • usb420, do you look like aurora snow? PM me if so ;) I am sure we can come to an arrangement.

    http://www.effinfunny.com/legend-of-neil/seasons?vid=342&sid=1&tid=0 Anyways, for those that haven't seen it, the Legend of Neil - I met them at pax 09 and thought huh, a legend about neil (of mtbs3d) WTF? But no, it was about a guy that plays zelda, then watches some porno I guess and asphyxiates himself with the nintendo controller, hilarious!! Then wakes up in the game, talk about PORNO VR! The guy who plays the hero was taking pictures for the crowd, and I said damn, that is so funny, I will pay you a benjamin to take a picture with you, he thought I was joking, I wish you could have seen his face when I handed him that hundred dollar bill! LOL!

    Anyways, they had the pink gorilla people there too, and they were talking about sex and porno and videogames, and they had a picture of roberta williams of Sierra fame, (kings quest series) naked in a bathtub, HUH? Yah check it out:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softporn_Adventure

    One of the first porno games I guess before Leisure Suit Larry, circa 1981:

    Softporn_Adventure_box_cover.jpg yep, that is a young roberta williams, naked in the bathtub, LOL! Wow ken was a lucky guy. Is that crysthale they are drinking?
    mtbs3d.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4123 I am looking into that LEEP VR I lack practical 3d knowledge, I have found some good links, but I am not sure if they are the ones you were talking about. Would you mind direct linking me to them? :oops:
  • jwilkinsjwilkins Posts: 580
    Art3mis
    All I can think of when seeing that is that: Alcohol + CRT + Hot Tub = OMG! What Happened Here! :twisted:
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  • KrisRedbeardKrisRedbeard Posts: 110
    Hiro Protagonist
    I've mentioned in a earlier post tha tmy interest in this area in seeing how it could benefit sex therapists, people with disabilities - be they social, physical or sexual - and couples in long distance relationships.

    This would require a multi-player based game, rather than single-player/story based one. While there are mutli-player based adult games, none of them are anywhere close to modern standards in any way shape or form.

    DId quite a bit of research into the subject early last year.
    I was going to say 'hands-on' research, but thought the joke was too obvious :)

    The Japanese market has a number of single-player titles from that are at up there, technology wise, but as far as I am aware, none of them are multi-player capabable.

    As for Western titles, you're best bet, funnily enough, is TESV: Skyrim. There are whole communities dedicated to the TES & Fallout series focussed on sprucing up the graphics and adding adult content. But again, they are not multi-player capable.

    If there is anyone willing to fund one or wants to discuss this further, feel free to post here or PM me.

    @Infinite: Always been impressed by what I see there.
    I'm assuming this technique would work with the Euclideon guys and their Unlimited Detail tech?
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