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Wiping my PC - reinstall Windows 7x64 or buy Windows 8.1

fudspongfudspong Posts: 382
Brain Burst
edited August 2014 in General
While waiting for the DK2 to arrive I will be reformatting my PC so it's fresh and clean and less likely to have software conflicts with the 3D goodness.

I already have Windows 7 x64 but I was wondering if there's any advantage to installing Windows 8.1 instead, with performance, drivers or software compatibility?

It's quite an old PC:
i7 920
3GB DDR3
EX58-UD3R
GTX 670
120GB SSD C Drive, 3TB D Drive
No cash for new hardware yet, but hoping for an 800-series before Xmas and then saving for a new CPU/MB/RAM combo early next year.

Comments

  • KelvinNZKelvinNZ Posts: 188
    IMHO, I would wait for Windows 9 to come out, it will be more suited to the desktop user rather than tablet user.

    This is just my opinion though. Windows 8.1 most likely won't give you great performance gain if any at all. I would stick with W7. It's proven.
  • cyberealitycybereality Posts: 26,156 Oculus Staff
    Windows 7 will have better support most likely.
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  • KelvinNZ wrote:
    IMHO, I would wait for Windows 9 to come out, it will be more suited to the desktop user rather than tablet user.

    This is just my opinion though. Windows 8.1 most likely won't give you great performance gain if any at all. I would stick with W7. It's proven.

    Agreed 100%
    Everyone I know who uses windows 8 says it sucks. Might as well just save your money and reinstall windows 7, it's still being supported and does the job just as well as 8 if not better.
  • AlciAlci Posts: 218
    The only people who I've met said W8 sucks were people scared of any changes and gave up after 5minutes :) Most of my colleagues are either on "ok" or "better" stance.

    I'd personally choose Win8.1 over W7 anytime if it's just matter of choice (faster, better memory management, better ui, working hidpi support, multi monitor support, better remote desktop support, the best wifi support I've seen so far, etc. (and I have touch screen on nb, so I'm used to them even on working machine; not using metro on any of them) ).

    It might not be worth reinstalling from W7 (but it's completely insane keeping WXP on new machine over W8, like some people on forums suggests) or buying them if you already have W7 and you don't desperately need any particular feature.
  • pierreyepierreye Posts: 74
    Brain Burst
    Based on the feedback, it seems that Oculus Rift had less problem with Win7. Also Nvidia and Intel had higher compatibility. Might take sometimes to iron out all the small issue on different combination of OS and Hardware.
  • HappyHimitsuHappyHimitsu Posts: 990
    Art3mis
    Windows 8 is awesome. Being a power-user over the course of the last couple of decades and sticking with XP for far too long, I made the switch a few years back to windows 7.
    Windows 8 is a rather large performance increase in most programs so far, but it definitely takes getting used to.
    “If you are willing to look at another person’s behavior toward you as a reflection of the state of their relationship with themselves rather than a statement about your value as a person, then you will, over a period of time cease to react at all.”
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    ― Yogi Bhajan
  • GigantoadGigantoad Posts: 395
    Nexus 6
    Windows 8 is lean and fast, go for it. Install Classic Shell and all the Metro stuff is gone. I'm suprised that in a community as tech-savvy and bleeding-edge as this there are still people using Windows 7. Configuring the Rift and figuring out how to get demos to run is about 100x harder than removing Metro from Win8.
  • TWhiteTWhite Posts: 363
    Gigantoad wrote:
    Windows 8 is lean and fast, go for it. Install Classic Shell and all the Metro stuff is gone. I'm suprised that in a community as tech-savvy and bleeding-edge as this there are still people using Windows 7. Configuring the Rift and figuring out how to get demos to run is about 100x harder than removing Metro from Win8.

    This. I recently upgraded to 8.1 after spending years on 7 ultimate. With StartIsBack+ I basically have my good old classic windows experience with the improved performance and compatibility of 8.1.
    CPU: i7 3770k 4.6Ghz
    GPU: EVGA GTX 780
  • EquinoxeEquinoxe Posts: 72
    Win 8.1 is good.
    I don't have any problems at all with DK1/2 on Win8.1
  • bigmike20vtbigmike20vt Posts: 3,823 Valuable Player
    KelvinNZ wrote:
    IMHO, I would wait for Windows 9 to come out, it will be more suited to the desktop user rather than tablet user.

    This is just my opinion though. Windows 8.1 most likely won't give you great performance gain if any at all. I would stick with W7. It's proven.

    I have to agree.

    Windows 8 is a fantastic OS........ for touch screen PCs and for phones. (I would not swap my lumia 620 for any phone using another OS in its class)

    but for standard a desktop / non touch laptop machine........ I had windows 8 on for a few months before dropping back to 7.**

    There are a couple (1?) of games which benchmark better on win 8 (BF4) but everything else is either the same or better on windows 7. Sure going forward the scales will tip, but imo by that time windows 9 will be out.

    Its not that Win 8 is bad per se, and if you were currently on XP or vista 32bit looking to upgrade that would be a different story. it is just that for an average desktop user it doesn't add much over 7 (which you already own).

    Gut feeling is DX12 may not come to Win 7 so I reckon a forced update is not that far away, but it wont be before windows 9 is out.

    (and many are suggesting win 9 will be very cheap)

    ** I cant lie though, I miss the insane loading times of win 8 I think my post was longer than the load time.
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  • jhondidfooljhondidfool Posts: 126
    Brain Burst
    Went with W8 and 8.1 when they appeared. Never looked back. Faster and outright better. When you learn how to use it is much faster to use than W7, and everything runs MUCH faster on desktop, and I saw a 5-10% fps increase in most of my games due to better memory management.
    People who say W8 is bed are just scared about changes. I have not even removed Metro, I don't need it (barely ever get into it on 8.1); W9 is yet to be seen, and all rumours so far. and you can get an upgrade for W8Pro quite cheap... even from a less-than-legal W7 install! (I got mine for 35$).
  • KelvinNZKelvinNZ Posts: 188
    Alci wrote:
    The only people who I've met said W8 sucks were people scared of any changes and gave up after 5minutes :) Most of my colleagues are either on "ok" or "better" stance.

    I'd personally choose Win8.1 over W7 anytime if it's just matter of choice (faster, better memory management, better ui, working hidpi support, multi monitor support, better remote desktop support, the best wifi support I've seen so far, etc. (and I have touch screen on nb, so I'm used to them even on working machine; not using metro on any of them) ).

    It might not be worth reinstalling from W7 (but it's completely insane keeping WXP on new machine over W8, like some people on forums suggests) or buying them if you already have W7 and you don't desperately need any particular feature.

    I've been in I.T for many years and worked with many problems with Win8. It works but not proven for stability in all applications. M$ stuffed up with Win8+ like Vista. I believe people have adapted to Win8 rather than actually liking it intentionally. However things like .net and java have had some issues with applications. Running Windows xp is now like running Win98, no more security patches so don't even go there. Mind you it's all about taste at the end of the day, some people like sweet, some people like bitter.
  • I decided to install Win 8.1 Pro on a new PC build recently and I've been impressed with the performance and surprised at how usable it actually is. Having said that I spend pretty much all of the time on the desktop interface - not metro. I thought this was the way to go as I thought that support/compatibility going forward will be better for Win 8 than Win 7.

    One thing I would say if you install Win 8 - get a compatible keyboard with all of the hardware shortcut buttons. Pressing a single button to bring up search or settings is quite useful and missing the start menu really isn't that bad once you get used to just typing the app you want and clicking return :D
  • fudspongfudspong Posts: 382
    Brain Burst
    Thanks for the feedback people, I'm glad I didn't ask if I should buy a Mac instead :lol:

    I have 8.1 on a touchscreen laptop and I really like it, but I have no experience with it on a mouse'n'keyboard desktop PC. Think I might stick with 7 for now and put the AU$150 upgrade price towards a new HOTAS.
  • goettelgoettel Posts: 289
    Windows 7 x64 is absolutely fine, save your moneys.
  • erickerick Posts: 125
    Brain Burst
    KelvinNZ wrote:
    IMHO, I would wait for Windows 9 to come out, it will be more suited to the desktop user rather than tablet user.
    Windows 8 is a fantastic OS........ for touch screen PCs and for phones.

    I'm so tired of seeing this misinformation. I have been using Windows 8 since beta on my primary home machine without a touch screen. It works wonderfully with a mouse. I also own a Surface Pro where I still prefer to use a BT mouse. I find that the touch response is merely a convenience when "on-the-go".
    it is just that for an average desktop user it doesn't add much over 7 (which you already own).

    This also isn't correct. Windows 8 offers improved performance, reduced background services, more efficient power management, higher performance USB 3 support, fast boot features... etc, etc... For power users it provides more details like file transfer charts right in the transfer window or an improved Task Manager.
  • matusmatus Posts: 66
    Just one word:

    Linux

    :twisted:
  • Phoenix90Phoenix90 Posts: 35
    NerveGear
    I'm also tired of hearing how W8 is supposed to be incompatible with everything.

    I have yet to find a piece of software working on W7 that doesn't work on W8 (although I admit that a few require you to install stuff that W7 has out of the box).

    In fact a great piece of software for OR called Virtual Desktop only works in windows 8 and it makes it possible to use your computer with the rift and open rift games and play them seamlessly without having to take off the rift all the time.
  • freehotdawgsfreehotdawgs Posts: 50
    edited August 2014
    I just don't see the reason to upgrade if you have windows 7. Windows 7 is perfectly fine. Windows 9 is expected to arrive next year, why not wait for that? That's what I'm planning on doing. The benchmarks I've seen have shown that windows 8 does boot up faster and is more efficient in some ways, but it also performs slighly slower in video games by a couple of fps. For gaming PCs, boot up time, ram usage, and hdd usage tend to be non-issues since there is usually plenty of hdd space and ram to go around and having high end gaming parts ensures a fast boot time if you maintain your system.
    I'm not afraid of change, but spending $100+ on something that will have a negligable performance impact, get out dated in less than a year, and then have to deal with the interface just doesn't seem worth it. It's like upgrading from a titan to a 780ti.
  • traxstraxs Posts: 11
    Personally I would stay away from Windows 8.

    Stick with Windows 7 or wait for Windows 9

    The Windows 9 preview will be released soon
    http://bgr.com/2014/08/21/windows-9-press-event/
  • AntDX316AntDX316 Posts: 355
    Brain Burst
    Windows 8.1 makes FPS smoother and faster than Win 7
  • bigmike20vtbigmike20vt Posts: 3,823 Valuable Player
    edited August 2014
    erick wrote:
    KelvinNZ wrote:
    IMHO, I would wait for Windows 9 to come out, it will be more suited to the desktop user rather than tablet user.
    Windows 8 is a fantastic OS........ for touch screen PCs and for phones.

    I'm so tired of seeing this misinformation. I have been using Windows 8 since beta on my primary home machine without a touch screen. It works wonderfully with a mouse. I also own a Surface Pro where I still prefer to use a BT mouse. I find that the touch response is merely a convenience when "on-the-go".
    it is just that for an average desktop user it doesn't add much over 7 (which you already own).

    This also isn't correct. Windows 8 offers improved performance, reduced background services, more efficient power management, higher performance USB 3 support, fast boot features... etc, etc... For power users it provides more details like file transfer charts right in the transfer window or an improved Task Manager.

    its not misinformation, it is just a difference of opinion. I too have windows 8 and i chose to go back to 7. YES win 8 is faster for some things, in general games isnt one of those things
    you are recommending he spends 100 quid(ish) when he admits he is trying to save money for new gear.... to do that when he has a perfectly respectable OS already would be madness imo.

    Edit just to add I don't hate win 8 and if he bought a machine with it on then fine, but we are on an oculus rift forum. Presumably he is either a gamer in which case see above or he is a dev, in which case surely better to code on the OS with over 50% saturation rather than one at 15-20%. Hell even MS know its a damp squib for a lot of users otherwise why else would they be pushing win 9 release forward?
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  • erickerick Posts: 125
    Brain Burst
    its not misinformation, it is just a difference of opinion.

    It absolutely is. Windows 8 does not need a touch screen interface. It works seamlessly with a mouse. That is a fact. Claiming that it is only good for tablets and phones is misinformation.
    YES win 8 is faster for some things, in general games isnt one of those things

    That is simply not correct. I own 343 games on Steam alone, another dozen on Origin, and several hundred more on physical media dating back to the days of Infocom. Windows 8 has worked perfectly with any Win32 software I've used.

    I even installed Clandestiny and The 11th Hour again to play through with my wife. No emulation. No patches. They ran fine.
    you are recommending he spends 100 quid(ish) when he admits he is trying to save money for new gear.... to do that when he has a perfectly respectable OS already would be madness imo.

    You're mistaken. I never made a recommendation. I was criticizing misinformation.

    Now, if you were recommending that the OP should not purchase Windows 8 because it's an unnecessary expense at this time; I can agree. Saying that he shouldn't use Windows 8 because it doesn't work well for games, that it is only useful for tablets/phones, and that it doesn't offer average users any benefit is just not true.
  • bigmike20vtbigmike20vt Posts: 3,823 Valuable Player
    You are putting words in my mouth I didn't saymost games don't work on win 8 as you say they DO but I benchmarked most of my games on windows 8 and the only one which ran faster was BF4. Some were the same. Many were slower
    Fiat Coupe, gone. 350Z gone. Dirty nappies, no sleep & practical transport incoming. Thank goodness for VR :)
  • StrykerStryker Posts: 126
    I'd say go Windows 8.1 if you want. You will get more general perf however without doing testing quite yet on DK2, I don't know how that fits in. I think the arguments about Windows 8 not being great because of the Start Screen are irrelevant simply because I also don't prefer it except for searching things quickly and since 8.1, you can boot directly to the desktop and never see the metro ui as long as you stay away from you Start button. But it's a faster and all around better OS than 7. If you are extremely going to miss the old school start menu, there are plenty of 3rd party tools out there to give you your fix. If you are worried at all though, try creating a virtual machine if you have VMWare and test it out there before you make the plunge so you can best decide for yourself if it fits your needs. That's another thing I love about Windows 8.1 Pro, Virtualization is built-in right out of the box and you don't need software like VMWare any longer :D Take care and good luck on your decision.

    If you are interested, here is a link to the trial :)
    http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-8-1-enterprise
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