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Best Force Feedback wheels for VR

AdKiuCMAdKiuCM Posts: 106
Art3mis
As per the topic. Could you recommend some nice wheels with force feedback for VR? Meaning "for VR" we don't need speed/rev displays + 1000 switches etc.

Immersion is most important. I consider buying G29 + pedals + shifter. Price is quite reasonable too. heard some opinions it is too small for good immersion.

I do not mind paying more for good quality products, but I am not a great simrace maniac and it is for occasional weekend playing, sometimes with friends etc. 

I do not have a special chair or space for it. I use my living room armchair for gaming. Would have to clip wheel on a table in the front of mee unfortunately each time and disassemble it at the end of each session.

Also I hope to spark a decent discussion about wheels, their quality, quality of FF etc. I never owned one, but tested a few before in my friends places or shop displays.
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  • BelgorBelgor Posts: 21
    Brain Burst
    I use the G29 with Oculus rift and it works perfectly. I use it with Project Cars and Assetto Corsa, where Assetto Corsa even though its only a pre-alpha implementation for rift has the best visuals and best VR feeling.

    I use Playseat challenge for mounting it. Its pretty cheap considering how good it is, don't let the looks fool you - it got great reviews and its better than many of its competitors, that cost twice as much.

    The immersion with G29 plus playseat is for me 100%. I virtually feel i'm there. I prefer playing formula 1 style cars.

    One thing to know is that there currently is a bug in Oculus home, that makes it dependent on your xbox controller being turned on.

    see http://www.tomshardware.com/news/oculus-home-controller-disconnected-racing-wheel,32245.html

    My advice is to NOT buy racing games from oculus home store until they get that fixed.

    I bought mine from steam and it works perfectly. You do NOT get interupted everytime the Xbox controller which you are not using turns off. A work arround could be to plug in cable to the xbox controller so it doesnt turn off. Otherwise when the timer for it turns off you will get interupted racing which breaks the immersion.
  • RuinedRuined Posts: 44
    Brain Burst
    If you buy the Logitech G920 which is an Xbox controller it works fantastic with home and all the VR games. Latest FW update fixed all the bugs and its best wheel for Oculus IMO.
  • ZandilZandil Posts: 975
    3Jane
    edited July 2016
    Both Logitech wheels the guys above mentioned are good and I will also recommend the Thrustmaster T300RS
  • RuinedRuined Posts: 44
    Brain Burst
    edited July 2016
    Thrustmaster nice also, but probably best to get the TX Leather model again for the XBOX controller built into the wheel capability.  Having that XBOX controller support will make it work better with Oculus home & games so you can use the XBOX buttons right on the wheel.

    I personally didn't go for thrustmaster because I heard the belts are a bit more fragile/can require periodic maintenance than the Logitech's gears, and also it is essentially double the price for the same functional setup as a Logitech G920 - wheel, 3 pedal board & shifter is $340 altogether.  About $620 for the same setup w/ thrustmaster.  I did hear the force feedback is better though, and shifter clearly nicer.
  • edmgedmg Posts: 1,158
    Wintermute
    edited July 2016
    I'm using a G29 without the shifter (most modern cars use paddle shifters anyway), and a Playseat Alcantara. Mostly because Amazon had good deals on both at the time I went looking.

    There are times in Project Cars when it feels just like my arms are really turning the wheel in the game, but it doesn't sync up as well in Dirt Rally.
  • rotaryduderotarydude Posts: 9
    NerveGear
    edited July 2016
    Fanatec!  E.O.S
  • blanesblanes Posts: 1,099
    3Jane
    I had 4 different fanatec wheels including 2 porsche wheels and CSR,  prone to failure and unless under warranty difficult to fix. Love the pedals and gear shifter but would not recommend the wheels. Go for a Logitech or Thrustmaster if I were you.
  • rotaryduderotarydude Posts: 9
    NerveGear
    edited July 2016
    I had the Thrustmaster T500 setup with the TH8A shifter and pro pedals.  then went to the Fanatec full setup.  Never looked back  built quality is exceptional
  • BleppeBleppe Posts: 189
    Art3mis
    I use the G27 myself and it works great. But if I could afford one I'd deffinatly get a Fanatec. Maybe further down line I'll get one :smile:

  • Mr.CreepyMr.Creepy Posts: 792
    Neo
    blanes said:
    I had 4 different fanatec wheels including 2 porsche wheels and CSR,  prone to failure and unless under warranty difficult to fix. Love the pedals and gear shifter but would not recommend the wheels. Go for a Logitech or Thrustmaster if I were you.
    I had a logitech g25 break, in a quite annoying manner. A plastic gear inside broke, or at least i think it was a plastic gear (long time ago) and i think that was a very fragile piece to have inside a force feedback wheel. Know i don't know what parts are inside my current wheel, but that is because it hasn't broken. I have had no issues with my Fanatec. Unless something breaks then i can say at least from my own experience that Fanatec wheel are great. Since they have discontinued my 911 GT3 all their wheel are very expensive though.
  • Map63VetteMap63Vette Posts: 141
    Art3mis
    Thrustmaster user here.  Did a lot of debating and online comparing between that and a Logitech setup, but ended up with a full Thrustmaster setup because I figured it would be better to keep common brand since I was planning on the Thrustmaster pedals and shifter anyway.  I really wanted a clutch and quality H pattern shifter, so that drove a decent chunk of the purchase.  Had looked at Fanatec pieces, but with the old CSR pedals going out of production I wasn't willing to dump the money into the Elite pedal setup.

    I have the Thrustmaster TX base (XBox version of the T300 since I have some Forza games so I could use it on the console, pick whichever flavor suits you) and bought the leather wheel.  You can buy the base with an included wheel, but since I was going to replace it anyway I didn't feel like having a cheapy plastic one taking up space.  Pedals are the T3PA Pro set and I really like them so far.  Would prefer a little more spring under the throttle and clutch, but I adjust pretty quick so it hasn't bothered me much.  Comes with a conical bumper mod for the brake pedal to give it a more realistic feel that I have enjoyed.  Shifter is a TH8A which is a quality piece, though really not a tremendously good analog to a real car shifter in my opinion, just way to soft.  I know you can adjust it some, but I haven't messed with it much yet.  I'm used to a fairly heavy shifter in my daily driver.

    All that said, if you only plan to race paddle shifters or don't care about a clutch, the wheel is still a nice piece and not too bad on price and you can get a cheaper set of pedals.  You can always build up the system as you go.
  • deanogurdeanogur Posts: 456
    Nexus 6
    I think many of us started out with entry-level wheels or even used a joy-stick or keyboard to play racing-games and then over time, upgraded several times as our interest in Racing-sims grew. Now I wouldn't be happy with anything less than a Direct-drive wheel, high-end pedals and a good Vibe setup - yes, I am spoiled! And Happily so! :)

    Here's the thing though, as we acquire better gear and if our interest is there, our enjoyment of Sim-racing can actually increase (maybe exponentially even) as we become more immersed through the application of more advance hardware using better and more effects.  It's really amazing what we can have in our own homes today, and then add to that - VR.
  • GreymanGreyman Posts: 1,315
    Wintermute
    If you are in the UK, the G29 and G920 are reasonably priced in PC World, at around £180 and i get on fine with my G29.

    I have a glass-topped desk, so to avoid the risk of a disaster with the wheel clampled to that, i bought a wheel stand pro 2 and it's awesome.  I have a G29 shifter also, as especially for DiRT rally, the paddle-shifts can be a bit awkward to use when you have fed the wheel through your hands a few times.  The paddles are fine for track racing though.
  • sparkie14sparkie14 Posts: 381
    Nexus 6
    I have t500RS with f1 addon wheel.  Great step up from g25 then g29.  I wouldnt go back to a logitec now.  The feedback and smoothness ifs superior imo..
  • It really depends on kind of games (sim/simcade/arcade) and of course your wallet.

    It also depends on how much dedicated and time you think you'll spend racing.

    You can have hours of fun with a G27 found on ebay for 150$
    Or you can go for a direct drive wheel from Leo Bodnar and spend around 4k$ (without pedals)

    Check the Youtube channel "Inside Sim racing" they made a complete review of every wheel on the market.

    I would recommend you to buy a cheap one to start then upgrade if you are really enjoying racing.
     Do not hesistate to ask more questions ;)
  • edmgedmg Posts: 1,158
    Wintermute
    Mr.Creepy said:
    I had a logitech g25 break, in a quite annoying manner. A plastic gear inside broke, or at least i think it was a plastic gear (long time ago) and i think that was a very fragile piece to have inside a force feedback wheel.
    I think I read that they replaced the plastic gears with metal ones in the G27, because too many were breaking?
  • vlodatovlodato Posts: 132
    Art3mis
    Damn I'm Jealous of all you guys. I'm using a Logitech driving force pro. 900* and force feedback but nothing like your guys setups.
  • NobodyImportantNobodyImportant Posts: 26
    Brain Burst
    edmg said:
    Mr.Creepy said:
    I had a logitech g25 break, in a quite annoying manner. A plastic gear inside broke, or at least i think it was a plastic gear (long time ago) and i think that was a very fragile piece to have inside a force feedback wheel.
    I think I read that they replaced the plastic gears with metal ones in the G27, because too many were breaking?
    The G27 also has plastic gears except they're a helical cut, unlike the square cut on the G25. This made it a lot quieter.

    I'd recommend Fanatec Clubsport stuff, it's been good to me, but will cost you one or two of your more useful limbs or internal organs to get a set.
  • deanogurdeanogur Posts: 456
    Nexus 6
    The Fanatec CSW2 is pretty nice - not Direct-drive nice but, the overall hardware has a high-end quality to it that the plastic wheels don't have. It's a good option if you want better quality but, not DD prices. If you want the lowest cost turn-key DD wheel, SimXperience offers a stripped-down AccuForce without the button-box and quick-release that is a little more than a nice Fanatec CSW2 setup.
  • ChazmeisterChazmeister Posts: 540
    Neo
    I currently use a G27, but if I were to upgrade then I'd probably go for the Thrustmaster T500 RS, although is is a good deal more expensive than the Logitech wheels.
  • AdKiuCMAdKiuCM Posts: 106
    Art3mis
    I watched a few T500 RS reviews and it seems really promising. Feels like much better option than G29 for force feedback from the reviews. I bough Dirt Rally today and played a bit on xbox controller. Was not as bad as i thought, but controllers immersion is far off the wheels. Game is super immersive though and seems like a real deal on CV1. First crash into the tree caused me to close my eyes :smile: 

    For me at the moment probably most important factor is assembly time. I don't have space to leave the setup ready pus it would get toddlered :wink: 

    After your comments I get slowly convinced T500RS + Wheel stand pro 2 would be a perfect option for me.
    Can fold it down and put away when not in use.

  • Mr.CreepyMr.Creepy Posts: 792
    Neo
    edmg said:
    Mr.Creepy said:
    I had a logitech g25 break, in a quite annoying manner. A plastic gear inside broke, or at least i think it was a plastic gear (long time ago) and i think that was a very fragile piece to have inside a force feedback wheel.
    I think I read that they replaced the plastic gears with metal ones in the G27, because too many were breaking?
    Well, that would make sense, because in all honesty it seemed like some that would happen often. I didn't even use it for long before it broke. As the first wheel i ever owned i loved it while it lasted though, but i dislike the small wheel diameter.
  • NijNij Posts: 312
    Nexus 6
    Glad this thread was started, I'm on the verge of buying one myself after getting project cars.

    Everyone has always said to me go for the logitech g27 but with the g29 coming out after this, is it better or worse? as the g27 seems pretty hard to get hold of in the UK (for less than £250), also considering the playseat or the wheel stand pro 2 too as I've got nowhere to mount it, it's gotta be complete immersion having the rift+wheel+playseat or stand!
    I was a believer!! I was a Kickstarter backer!! Now I shall reap the rewards!!! :D:D:D
  • bloodylibrabloodylibra Posts: 20
    NerveGear
    I would like to know too. Which wheel is the best for dirt rally?  :/
  • GreymanGreyman Posts: 1,315
    Wintermute
    edited July 2016
    @Nij - the G29 is what I have and at the £179 ish that PC World are currently selling it has, it is certainly worth considering and the saving you make will allow you to get a shifter also.  I also have the wheelstand pro 2 and they work fine in combination, but if you are going to use it with a wheeled office chair, you might want to tie an appropriately lengthed double loop of strong cord around the wsp2 base and slip one of your wheels into it.  That will keep you in one place, particularly under heavy breaking.

    there will, of course, be better wheels out there, but as you generally get what you pay for, you will need deeper pockets.

    @bloodylibra - for rally driving, you might find paddle shifting a little tough, with more wheel lock generally being needed than in track racing, so you might want to consider a gear shifter of some sort, to make life easier.

  • NijNij Posts: 312
    Nexus 6
    edited July 2016
    @Greyman
    Cheers! think that's made my mind up then, I'll go and pick up the G29 and might just go all out and get the Playseat challenge as I have got an office chair which I thought would be a problem when trying to use a wheel, would be handy even when not playing driving games aswell as could use it while playing other rift games but I imagine you have to relocate your camera if your lower down!
    I was a believer!! I was a Kickstarter backer!! Now I shall reap the rewards!!! :D:D:D
  • GreymanGreyman Posts: 1,315
    Wintermute
    Actually the Playseat Challenge appeals to me also, especially as it appears to allow a fair bit of flexibility for your seating position.  Before the Rift, albeit playing games like Project Cars on 3 monitors, it wouldn't make too much difference, to your feeling of being there, whether you were driving an F1 car or something with a far more upright seating position.  However, with the Rift, I became far more aware of the fact that my legs were stretched out more or less horizontally when in an F1-type car, when in real life, my knees were almost bent at right angles.  I found it the same in E:D, where the virtual pilot's legs are elavated and, call it petty if you like, but i'd prefer to have a similar position, to improve the sense of immersion even further.

    Let us know how you get on with the G29 and the Playseat.  I might still be tempted to go for the seat.


  • NijNij Posts: 312
    Nexus 6
    Yeah think the playseat would be best over the wheel stand pro, especially with it being able to be folded away even with steering wheel still attached

    Yeah I reckon if your position in the real world is pretty much matching your position in the game, it pretty much adds to the immersion, found that with eve valkryie, the way your body moves when you move your head, It is good having a spinny chair though for certain games

    Will let you know anyway, I was keeping my money aside for touch but it'll probably be December before we get though so might just spend the money and worry about that later hehe

    I was a believer!! I was a Kickstarter backer!! Now I shall reap the rewards!!! :D:D:D
  • goldenegggoldenegg Posts: 552
    Trinity
    I have the Thrustmaster TMX, T3PA pedal upgrade and the Wheel Stand Pro. Absolutely love that setup! The TMX is pretty similar to the TX. The main differences are that you cannot swap out the wheel and the wheel it comes with is plastic instead of leather.
  • PravusJSBPravusJSB Posts: 143
    Art3mis
    edited July 2016
    Lol at the above person complaining about Fanatec reliability on these forums, where half of the people have issues with the Rift!

    I've used Fanatec for years, yes sometimes they go wrong but support is great and 2 years warranty comes with their stuff. Currently running CSWV2, CSPV3, Universal Hub and with the rift... Amazing.


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