Black display due to too low computer specs

SamSamSam · August 2016

Hi,

ma rift does not work. The screen stays black and the LED yellow.

I have to admit that my specs are very low: A GTX 580 and an I7 860 CPU.

But can this be really the reason that the CV1 does not work ?

To my technical understanding this makes no sense.

It’s like saying “Well, this computer is too slow so no wonder the monitor shows no picture.”

The GTX 580 supports HDMI 1.4a, this is above the demand of HDMI 1.3 by the rift. The same applies to the maximum resolution of the GTX 580 of 2560 x 1600 vs. the specs of the CV1 (2160 x 1200).

Whether the system if fast enough for sufficient frame rates is a completely different question. But it is at least capable to show a screen.

I am not going to buy a completely new computer system just to realize that this was not the problem. This is not less a matter of money than a matter of time and effort.

I am planning to buy a new graphics card but have not yet decided which one to buy. And if the oculus still does not work with the new graphics card the the support will probably tell me “It’s the CPU”.

Unfortunately I have no idea at the moment where to find a computer meeting the specs to test this out.

But the “the display does not work because the computer is too slow” just makes no sense to me at all.

What is your opinion / experience ?

Greets

Sam

Comic_Book_Guy · August 2016

Your PC isn't anywhere near adequate and it would be pointless even if the Rift displayed a picture.
Hook a Rift up to a appropriate PC and barring a bad HMD, it will work. Not sure why you're confused.

vlodato · August 2016

@SamSamSam while I agree in theory of what your saying, technically a 970m or 980m has the power to do what you say yet the rift isn't even recognized. It could be a technical reason why it won't display. And someone suggested it before in another thread. Take your rift to bestbuy tell them you would like to test it out on a new potential computer your going to buy. If your not in the us or not by a bestbuy you could try other outlets but probably less likely.

reddeath360 · August 2016

just throwing this out there but it could be that the drivers for that card are so far out of date that it don't see the rift as a screen. being that your card is so old more than likely drivers have basicly stopped some time back

manu · August 2016

If you do wish to take this non-recommended path, your PC must at least meet the absolute minimum requirements:

Video Card: GTX 650 / AMD 7750 desktop GPU or better and newer
CPU: Intel i5-750 / AMD FX-4100 or better and newer
USB Ports: 1x USB 3.0 port + 1x USB 2.0 port
Video Output: free HDMI 1.3 output
OS: Windows 7 SP1 64 bit or newer

Remember: The Rift will not run on your laptop, this rule does not change!

https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/wiki/requirements

It's not the Rift, it's your computer.

OpticKing · August 2016

SamSamSam said:

But the “the display does not work because the computer is too slow” just makes no sense to me at all.

You're right that makes no sense, since I have a weaker gpu and cpu than you and I've been happily rifting on it for weeks. I'm on a r9 270 (not the x which is stronger and comparable to your gtx) and i3 4130. That being said I am currently looking into upgrading both, since I have to lower the settings of just about everything to the minimum (on top of the lowest resolution for the game on the monitor to save on resources) So there has to be is another issue. (I'm guessing it's your usb ports)

Daddoofly78 said:

Your PC isn't anywhere near adequate and it would be pointless even if the Rift displayed a picture.
Hook a Rift up to a appropriate PC and barring a bad HMD, it will work. Not sure why you're confused.

I was also told this by others, but I've yet to run into a game that even nauseates me, much less doesn't run smooth enough to play. This is including EVERYTHING free on home, as well as windlands/dreadhalls/Elite Dangerous/War Thunder/Project: Cars/and many many more. So it's not really pointless to own a rift with this weak rig, ofc it won't be as good as a 1080 but it's great to have a blast in vr while I wait for my 1060.

manu said:

If you do wish to take this non-recommended path, your PC must at least meet the absolute minimum requirements:
Video Card: GTX 650 / AMD 7750 desktop GPU or better and newer
CPU: Intel i5-750 / AMD FX-4100 or better and newer
USB Ports: 1x USB 3.0 port + 1x USB 2.0 port
Video Output: free HDMI 1.3 output
OS: Windows 7 SP1 64 bit or newer
Remember: The Rift will not run on your laptop, this rule does not change!
https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/wiki/requirements

It's not the Rift, it's your computer.

Incorrect. It's set as a minimum to give "the best" experience when rifting, I'm far below spec and no issues at all.

Comic_Book_Guy · August 2016

And there are people that play PC games at 20 fps everything on low and call that " no problem". What's fine for you is out of the question for others. Since you don't state your specs OpticKing, I can't comment further.
If you have less than a 970 /290, You won't maintain 90fps, will have to lower settings when available and you can forget using the debug tool to increase render target. Not ideal.

manu · August 2016

OpticKing said:

Incorrect. It's set as a minimum to give "the best" experience when rifting, I'm far below spec and no issues at all.

So you are using a GPU below or older than a HD 7750? What is it?

manu · August 2016

SamSamSam said:
To my technical understanding this makes no sense.

I would speculate that Oculus runtime depends on some driver specific feature/s that may or may not depend on an architectural feature/s on the GPU. That may be why a GTX 650 would give you display while a GTX 580 won't.

SamSamSam · August 2016

Optic: Your are absolutely right. I would have already bought a new graphics card or maybe even a new computer, but with the DK2 all applications/Games run absolutely flawless. Maybe not at 90 fps but I personally do not see any difference, the movement feels absolutely naturally and there is no noticeable judder.

So why change a running system ?

Of course I would upgrade the hardware, if, due to the higher resolution of the CV1, the would be any problems, but not yet.

And as the CV1 does not display anything, there is no chance to test it out.

readdeath: Well, I use the newest nvidia graphic driver, but indeed it is possible that the part that is responsible for the 580 has not been updated for months/years. That are internals I do not know anything about.

OpticKing · August 2016

Daddoofly78 said:

And there are people that play PC games at 20 fps everything on low and call that " no problem". What's fine for you is out of the question for others. Since you don't state your specs OpticKing, I can't comment further.
If you have less than a 970 /290, You won't maintain 90fps, will have to lower settings when available and you can forget using the debug tool to increase render target. Not ideal.

I maintain 90 fps on quite a few of the games, and 70+ on the rest, I'm sure I'd have a better time with the best hardware money can buy, but that's not the OP's original issue, he's thinking that his rig wont even display an image since it's "too weak", it's graded as more powerful than my r9 270 GPU. Yes the debug tool would be pointless on this setup, but OP is thinking he has an expensive brick which is the point I'm arguing.

manu said:

OpticKing said:

Incorrect. It's set as a minimum to give "the best" experience when rifting, I'm far below spec and no issues at all.

So you are using a GPU below or older than a HD 7750? What is it?

It seems no one fully read my earlier post, gpu and cpu were both stated lol.

Comic_Book_Guy · August 2016

Comic_Book_Guy · August 2016

Wow this forum... Couldnt get out of the quote box. Anyways, You are not getting 90 or 70fps on a 270x in modern games with high settings at 1080p+ and you sure arent getting 90fps in VR with it. You're delusional.

SamSamSam · August 2016

>thinking he has an expensive brick which is the point I'm arguing.

Thats it exactly. But it's a nice brick. Ithink it's made of coal.

reddeath360 · August 2016

I'm just guessing but if you can id test it on another computer and see if it works. the driver thing was just a guess to me it makes no sence either as even if you were way under power at the very least you should just get video with very low fps I would for sure test it on a system that is without a question in your mind that it should work on

OpticKing · August 2016

Daddoofly78 said:

Wow this forum... Couldnt get out of the quote box. Anyways, You are not getting 90 or 70fps on a 270x in modern games with high settings at 1080p+ and you sure arent getting 90fps in VR with it. You're delusional.

I sure am getting those fps, luckys tale on low settings is one example, sure it's not locked in 90fps in every scene but it hits it and stays close during almost all areas. Dreadhalls stays locked in at 90 luckys tail barely dips lower than 90 still over 80 the whole time, windlands stays 90 while I'm looking up swinging and high 70s when I'm falling and see the whole world. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating people use below minimum specs while rifting, I'm saying you can still have quite an enjoyable experience (even if it's not the ideal one with pixel density shoved up) while below spec. I was simply suggesting it might be a usb issue (since those are quite common, even with the inateck oculus recommended pci expansion) That being said it's possible that it's the outdated drivers, since luckily my gpu is still compatible with the latest drivers, but like @reddeath360 said it should still display more than just black if it's simply a lack of muscle.

SamSamSam said:

>thinking he has an expensive brick which is the point I'm arguing.

Thats it exactly. But it's a nice brick. Ithink it's made of coal.

That's one hell of a stocking stuffer if it is coal. XD

Comic_Book_Guy · August 2016

Luckeys tale...low settings, cant keep 90fps. You proved my point. And you prove my other one earlier thinking that's fine.

OpticKing · August 2016

The oculus debug tool tells me otherwise, while in game (remember now that async does wonders for underpowered rigs). Claiming that I proved your point means nothing when you don't have the hardware to make the tests, you're making conclusions without having any actual evidence while I do, and I'm telling you otherwise, your point is null and only serving to make you seem oblivious to any reality beyond your own. Anyway, the point being that you can still have a great time in vr BELOW the minimum specs, as long as you're not an elitist that requires the best of the best or nothing at all.

Comic_Book_Guy · August 2016

huh? You said it above. Luckys Tale...low settings..may not keep 90fps. lol elitist. You don't know any better.

OpticKing · August 2016

Daddoofly78 said:

huh? You said it above. Luckys Tale...low settings..may not keep 90fps. lol elitist. You don't know any better.

Wow, you simply either want to argue or can't grasp what I'm saying, or want to twist my words to save face. Yes luckys tail low settings never dips below 80 fps, many other games stay there or higher with these under minimum specs. You're once again disregarding the initial point that I had made about this thread, you don't HAVE to HAVE the minimum required specs for a great vr experience. The fact that his screen in the cv1 is staying black when it should display something should have nothing to do with the fact that he has something a little less than a gtx 970 or amd 290 equivalent. It's probably more to do with what I previously suggested; a usb/hdmi problem - https://forums.oculus.com/community/discussion/37425/black-screen-on-oculus-rift-cv1/p1
For someone who disregards half of what is said so it sounds better when he argues makes your claim of me "not knowing any better" laughable at best. Yes, elitist with a comprehension (albeit seemingly so by choice) issue.

Comic_Book_Guy · August 2016

Comprehension issue.... you can't grasp what you call fine is not fine for others. Below min specs, low settings, fps drops, but it's K. You realize that is your subjective opinion? Stop attacking me. Hell the only reason I keep replying here is you keep attacking me.
Grow up. Move on. Drop it.

OpticKing · August 2016

Dude... take your own advice, the point here is not about his hardware causing him lag and he doesn't understand it, or complaining about it. It's that he doesn't understand why it's not displaying anything, which is shouldn't be doing if it was directly responsible for the low muscle the hardware gives. I'm not attacking you I'm defending myself, you're the one who started off acting as though I was too stupid to know what I was talking about or how to even monitor my fps in game... You started off calling me delusional for reading the fps that the debug tool was telling me and stating it here, and followed that by condescending that I just don't know any better.

Daddoofly78 said:

You realize that is your subjective opinion?
Grow up. Move on. Drop it.

Do you honestly think that these statements don't apply to you as well?

Zenbane · August 2016

While D-Fly is busy insulting others by calling them "delusional," here are the list of issues that he suffers from:

1) Can't make his XBox controller work
https://forums.oculus.com/community/discussion/comment/424140/#Comment_424140

Note that others have provided solutions while he was busy trolling.

2) He has no idea how to remove a simple Rift piece:
https://forums.oculus.com/community/discussion/comment/422734/#Comment_422734

Note the hilarious instructions given to him.

3) HMD audio/video issues
https://forums.oculus.com/community/discussion/comment/422715/#Comment_422715

4) Embarrassingly struggling with VR Porn:
https://forums.oculus.com/community/discussion/comment/422684/#Comment_422684

5) Opened a support ticket for lens help:
https://forums.oculus.com/community/discussion/40853/red-tint-under-vertain-conditions-and-support-asking-for-a-picture-of-it

He couldn't take a pic to show his problem, and actually used Paint to illustrate it lol - and please look at the extra large crayola style art job he did. If that's any indication of his PC skills and abilities:

I repeat, a guy who uses Paint is insulting forum members and moderators because they didn't build their own VR Ready machine, and ridiculing random forum posters if they don't readily understand the things he's made sure he understands (for the sole purpose of ridiculing the lack of understanding in others).

Hilarious.

OpticKing · August 2016

I can move past and forget all of those faux pas, it's confusing as to why he would come into this thread ( and others) and start trolling and detracting from the original point while others are trying to solve issues for the OP's.

Zenbane · August 2016

DooDoofly is a fairly charming guy as long as he isn't talking about PC specs. Something happens that makes a few screws come loose with that one topic lol

manu · August 2016

OpticKing said:

It seems no one fully read my earlier post, gpu and cpu were both stated lol.

I think the R9 270 you mentioned is both better and newer than an HD 7750 which is what I said the minimum requirement is. I don't see any other GPU mentioned.
For nVidia it's GTX 650 or better and newer. I don't know if you actually read my minimum specs or not, and I don't want to be disrespectful but you even say that the specs I said are the absolute minimum are actually recommended ones. I don't agree with you.

Comic_Book_Guy · August 2016

Zenbane said:

While DooDoofly is busy insulting others by calling them "delusional," here are the list of issues that he suffers from:

1) Can't make his XBox controller work
https://forums.oculus.com/community/discussion/comment/424140/#Comment_424140

Note that others have provided solutions while he was busy trolling.

2) He has no idea how to remove a simple Rift piece:
https://forums.oculus.com/community/discussion/comment/422734/#Comment_422734

Note the hilarious instructions given to him.

3) HMD audio/video issues
https://forums.oculus.com/community/discussion/comment/422715/#Comment_422715

4) Embarrassingly struggling with VR Porn:
https://forums.oculus.com/community/discussion/comment/422684/#Comment_422684

5) Opened a support ticket for lens help:
https://forums.oculus.com/community/discussion/40853/red-tint-under-vertain-conditions-and-support-asking-for-a-picture-of-it

He couldn't take a pic to show his problem, and actually used Paint to illustrate it lol - and please look at the extra large crayola style art job he did. If that's any indication of his PC skills and abilities:

I repeat, a guy who uses Paint is insulting forum members and moderators because they didn't build their own VR Ready machine, and ridiculing random forum posters if they don't readily understand the things he's made sure he understands (for the sole purpose of ridiculing the lack of understanding in others).

Hilarious.

An now I am reporting you and making a formal complaint. You've crossed the line. Not responding to this crap either. The stain red tint or w/e has NOTHING to do with prebuilt vs custom. You are grasping at straws and relentlessly trolling me.

OpticKing · August 2016

@manu I'm basing my assumtion on the fact that the gtx 580 outperforms the hd 7750 in benchmarks. http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-HD-7750-vs-GeForce-GTX-580#performance
And is still fairly comparable to the r9 270 I'm using.
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-270-vs-GeForce-GTX-580#performance
That being said if there's some sort of hidden restriction being that nothing less than the gtx 650 will even display, regardless of actual gpu muscle. Then yes I would be incorrect, and he has no choice but to upgrade gpu's. I was countering that if it's straight muscle, then the 580 should still at the very least display an image (even if it has some judder; as asynchronous timewarp can be a miracle worker for underpowered rigs). And it might be a quite common issue of incompatible usb drivers (or not enough power in them) or possibly him using a incompatible dvi >hdmi adapter or some variant therein. Regardless, he should definitely save up for new hardware upgrades, even if it is possible to run the rift on his rig.

Also I didn't say it was the recommended spec as those are obviously not a 970/290, I was saying it was the minimum required to run it and should still be possible to actually run it (albeit with loss of performance) with something a touch weaker.

Zenbane · August 2016

An now I am reporting you and making a formal complaint. You've crossed the line. Not responding to this crap either. The stain red tint or w/e has NOTHING to do with prebuilt vs custom. You are grasping at straws and relentlessly trolling me.

Be sure to include all the insults you aim at people just because you don't like the way they talk about "computers" lol

reddeath360 · August 2016

if you girls are done fighting id like to know if the person has solved the problem

Black display due to too low computer specs

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