09-10-2016 11:25 PM
09-12-2016 02:30 PM
09-12-2016 02:45 PM
Yea every sale doesn't mean you lose - just means you play smart. I know I can fix 99% of all computer problems, but I look at the customer first before fixing them. Can that mean I lose a sell? Yup, but at the end of the day - it's better to turn away "Download A Lot" then to have them come back the next day wondering why their pc are full of virus again:)
Idk, price and everything else with Touch seems ok with me. They will soon bundle the product up with Touch or the optional HMD only. They're waiting both on software/games, OC, and manufacturing. We also seen Touch go through at least 2 revisions already. Even if Touch release today- there wouldn't be that many titles you could play with it. Yea you can name off a hand few - but once you play them - then what? That's the problem Vive is facing at this time. Not enough content ready to keep everyone playing.
09-12-2016 03:42 PM
Zenbane said:
falken76 said:
I'm sure the reason for the delay is getting developers ready early enough to launch a bunch of "touch" games when it is released.
Yep, on top of which there is no single business that makes it their concern to get "every single sale." That would involve a monopoly which is illegal anyway. Even if Oculus shipped with perfect room-scale and touch controllers a month before HTC ever released the Vive... there are still consumers who would pick a different product just out of principal. In a free market we like our options. But @lovethis thinks it wise for a business to make every decision on something impractical. Chasing ones own tail is not an effective cycle for success.
09-12-2016 03:47 PM
09-12-2016 09:38 PM
09-13-2016 02:14 AM
(Note, I'm not arguing with the rest of your comment, just nit-picking this one statement).
Zenbane said:
@notsram
There is no history of early access or pre-order in the Info Tech world that ever turned out good for the consumer.
09-13-2016 02:58 AM
09-13-2016 05:28 AM
I'd have been happy being a spectator. and I'd have happily waited for my Rift if Oculus had just been a bit more open about the delays. I ordered my Rift the day pre-orders opened. I ordered my Vive about 6 weeks later as a backup option, and said at the time I'd go with whichever system shipped first. That was Vive. No fuss. No broken promises or missed dates. It simply arrived on time.
Zenbane said:
@notsram
"My reason for cancelling Rift and going the Vive route was mostly down to Oculus messing their customers around so much."
The only customers who feel this way are those who allowed themselves to become emotionally invested in a situation where they should have just been a competent spectator. There is no history of early access or pre-order in the Info Tech world that ever turned out good for the consumer. And there is no reason that after the year 2000 anyone should still act like they "believed everything a company said only to get hurt by their later actions."
To this day there are still automobile recalls for safety. Hell in recent years even Almonds were recalled for safety. And the restaurant Chioptle is predicted to implode due to its own E. Coli outbreak, which has caused their profits to drop by over 80%
http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/21/investing/chipotle-earnings/
There are real problems organizations are having to deal with, that impact peoples lives in a truly detrimental way. Yet these early VR adopters turn vive drones act like they were screwed over by something that is primarily used for video games lol...
"For this generation at least, Touch is always going to be seen as a peripheral rather than an integral part of Rift"
A viewpoint that starts and stops with those whom are afflicted with that problem of needlessly attaching the source of their happiness on to an external entity. Just because you set yourself up to get hurt doesn't mean that other more sensible and emotionally secure individuals won't be able to enjoy their product choice.
09-13-2016 06:06 AM
09-13-2016 07:05 AM
kernow said:
The problem with this statement is that he is not talking about the Dev kits at this point, he is referring to the ordering and the pre-ordering of the consumer product, now open to the wide commercial market state of the CV1 v. Vive. It is no longer early access