01-17-2017 08:55 PM
01-18-2017 08:42 PM
arttek said:
Zenbane said:
thekjun1 said:
Milk Vr is a fantastic Video App that would be nice on the Rift, wheres Netflix App?, have to Use the virtual Desktop to view.
Have you actually used a Rift, Virtual Desktop, and watched Netflix? Your post seems to have a lot of second-hand information. Like... you Googled "how to watch Netflix with the Oculus Rift," and then came to make a post as though you've experienced it. You clearly haven't, because watching Netflix on Virtual Desktop is amazing. It is also amazing while using Big Screen, but you didn't even mention that... and you even stated that a person "have to use Virtual Desktop." And that is wrong. Big Screen is free and is just as great an option.
I can actually function with my day job using my Rift thanks to Big Screen and Virtual Desktop, since I'm a software developer and all of my programming and database tools look beautiful in the Rift as I work while floating near Saturn or in the middle of a space Nebula.
oh but Milk VR is cool? lol
I can play StarCraft, Diablo, WarCraft, Baldurs Gate, IceWind Dale, the entire Witcher series, Skyrim, Morrowind, and just about every other PC game ever made in my Rift. And I don't even have to use either Big Screen or Virtual Desktop, I can also use the Steam VR gaming theater. And also play every game available on Steam in there.
The lesson here is that anything can appear to suck if used terribly. For example: walking is better than using a motor vehicle... if you never actually put the motor vehicle in gear to move forward.
You must have mastered all the keys on your keyboard. I still have to peek out of my headset in VR Desktop from time to time.
01-18-2017 08:53 PM
01-19-2017 07:08 AM
falken76 said:
I can't speak for others, but I already had a PC that was capable because unlike the newest "generation" I put value in an actual computer over a cell phone which I consider nothing more than a clumbsy tool to use while away from your production enviornement. I absolutely hate the simplistic games available on mobile which are all reduced to crap because the UI is always garbage for games IMHO. Have you actually used Netflix on Virtual Desktop? As mentioned above, Big screen is also an option and it is free.
I prefer the rift because it has access to the raw horsepower of a real PC while the Mobile VR is stuck using the weak power of a $700 phone. (If you want to complain about price, focus on the cost of the actual phone needed for this, but with Interest free payoff via a contracted account people seem fine being in debt in 2 year increments until the next model with a .25 micron larger screen comes out and they restart the whole process again)
As far as the larger library, yes mobile is much larger and always will be because of the size of the installed user base. I'm sure there are plenty of good games, so it really comes down to what you prefer. I prefer a PC because I use my phone as a phone, not my go to for everything.
01-19-2017 08:06 AM
Phaserlight said:
For someone complaining about "the newest "generation"", your post looks as though it were written by a raging teen...
01-19-2017 09:21 AM
Zenbane said:
Phaserlight said:
For someone complaining about "the newest "generation"", your post looks as though it were written by a raging teen...
I disagree. falken clearly stated that it was only his opinion (one I happen to agree with), and the OP comes off more like a raging teen... as noted by his demanding of a Netflix VR app even though Netflix in VR is perfectly achievable today. Case in point: angry kids prefer app's for everything instead of taking some initiative themselves.
Also, was the UI for Prune link supposed to be satire?
"Prune is a love letter to trees. A game about the beauty and joy of cultivation."
Umm... 😘
01-19-2017 09:53 AM
falken76 said:
arttek said:
Zenbane said:
thekjun1 said:
Milk Vr is a fantastic Video App that would be nice on the Rift, wheres Netflix App?, have to Use the virtual Desktop to view.
Have you actually used a Rift, Virtual Desktop, and watched Netflix? Your post seems to have a lot of second-hand information. Like... you Googled "how to watch Netflix with the Oculus Rift," and then came to make a post as though you've experienced it. You clearly haven't, because watching Netflix on Virtual Desktop is amazing. It is also amazing while using Big Screen, but you didn't even mention that... and you even stated that a person "have to use Virtual Desktop." And that is wrong. Big Screen is free and is just as great an option.
I can actually function with my day job using my Rift thanks to Big Screen and Virtual Desktop, since I'm a software developer and all of my programming and database tools look beautiful in the Rift as I work while floating near Saturn or in the middle of a space Nebula.
oh but Milk VR is cool? lol
I can play StarCraft, Diablo, WarCraft, Baldurs Gate, IceWind Dale, the entire Witcher series, Skyrim, Morrowind, and just about every other PC game ever made in my Rift. And I don't even have to use either Big Screen or Virtual Desktop, I can also use the Steam VR gaming theater. And also play every game available on Steam in there.
The lesson here is that anything can appear to suck if used terribly. For example: walking is better than using a motor vehicle... if you never actually put the motor vehicle in gear to move forward.
You must have mastered all the keys on your keyboard. I still have to peek out of my headset in VR Desktop from time to time.
Nobody knows how to touch type? You just need to know where homerow is....
01-19-2017 03:41 PM
Phaserlight said:
Zenbane said:
Phaserlight said:
For someone complaining about "the newest "generation"", your post looks as though it were written by a raging teen...
I disagree. falken clearly stated that it was only his opinion (one I happen to agree with), and the OP comes off more like a raging teen... as noted by his demanding of a Netflix VR app even though Netflix in VR is perfectly achievable today. Case in point: angry kids prefer app's for everything instead of taking some initiative themselves.
Also, was the UI for Prune link supposed to be satire?
"Prune is a love letter to trees. A game about the beauty and joy of cultivation."
Umm... 😘
No, it wasn't intended to be satire. @falken76 stated that "I absolutely hate the simplistic games available on mobile which are all reduced to crap because the UI is always garbage"
All... always...
To paraphrase Sir Conan Doyle, it only takes one exception to disprove the rule.
User Interface: "the means by which the user and a computer system interact, in particular the use of input devices and software."
People really do enjoy the art of bonsai; Prune emulates that. Regardless of what you think of Prune as a game, however, falken's argument was contingent on all mobile UIs being "garbage". Consider that a UI literally is the means by which a user and computer system interact re: software; it seems that a mobile UI with its touch-screen interface is ideal for a game about trimming away parts of a tree as it grows. This is only one example, but again, let me remind you falken firmly stated "[mobile] UI is always garbage" (emphasis mine).
At this point, the logic of falken's argument more or less falls apart, as games like Prune show the opposite is sometimes the case.
01-19-2017 03:42 PM
arttek said:
falken76 said:
arttek said:
Zenbane said:
thekjun1 said:
Milk Vr is a fantastic Video App that would be nice on the Rift, wheres Netflix App?, have to Use the virtual Desktop to view.
Have you actually used a Rift, Virtual Desktop, and watched Netflix? Your post seems to have a lot of second-hand information. Like... you Googled "how to watch Netflix with the Oculus Rift," and then came to make a post as though you've experienced it. You clearly haven't, because watching Netflix on Virtual Desktop is amazing. It is also amazing while using Big Screen, but you didn't even mention that... and you even stated that a person "have to use Virtual Desktop." And that is wrong. Big Screen is free and is just as great an option.
I can actually function with my day job using my Rift thanks to Big Screen and Virtual Desktop, since I'm a software developer and all of my programming and database tools look beautiful in the Rift as I work while floating near Saturn or in the middle of a space Nebula.
oh but Milk VR is cool? lol
I can play StarCraft, Diablo, WarCraft, Baldurs Gate, IceWind Dale, the entire Witcher series, Skyrim, Morrowind, and just about every other PC game ever made in my Rift. And I don't even have to use either Big Screen or Virtual Desktop, I can also use the Steam VR gaming theater. And also play every game available on Steam in there.
The lesson here is that anything can appear to suck if used terribly. For example: walking is better than using a motor vehicle... if you never actually put the motor vehicle in gear to move forward.
You must have mastered all the keys on your keyboard. I still have to peek out of my headset in VR Desktop from time to time.
Nobody knows how to touch type? You just need to know where homerow is....
Do you touch type while constantly using your mouse at the same time?We're talking about playing games. Where you're constantly using your mouse on one hand, and accessing a variety of keys with your left. I'm pretty sure that if you take a bunch of people who are relatively proficient at touch typing, blind fold them, and tell them to occasionally access right hand keys quickly with just their left hand, they'll probably have varied success rates.
01-19-2017 03:58 PM
falken76 said:
arttek said:
falken76 said:
arttek said:
Zenbane said:
thekjun1 said:
Milk Vr is a fantastic Video App that would be nice on the Rift, wheres Netflix App?, have to Use the virtual Desktop to view.
Have you actually used a Rift, Virtual Desktop, and watched Netflix? Your post seems to have a lot of second-hand information. Like... you Googled "how to watch Netflix with the Oculus Rift," and then came to make a post as though you've experienced it. You clearly haven't, because watching Netflix on Virtual Desktop is amazing. It is also amazing while using Big Screen, but you didn't even mention that... and you even stated that a person "have to use Virtual Desktop." And that is wrong. Big Screen is free and is just as great an option.
I can actually function with my day job using my Rift thanks to Big Screen and Virtual Desktop, since I'm a software developer and all of my programming and database tools look beautiful in the Rift as I work while floating near Saturn or in the middle of a space Nebula.
oh but Milk VR is cool? lol
I can play StarCraft, Diablo, WarCraft, Baldurs Gate, IceWind Dale, the entire Witcher series, Skyrim, Morrowind, and just about every other PC game ever made in my Rift. And I don't even have to use either Big Screen or Virtual Desktop, I can also use the Steam VR gaming theater. And also play every game available on Steam in there.
The lesson here is that anything can appear to suck if used terribly. For example: walking is better than using a motor vehicle... if you never actually put the motor vehicle in gear to move forward.
You must have mastered all the keys on your keyboard. I still have to peek out of my headset in VR Desktop from time to time.
Nobody knows how to touch type? You just need to know where homerow is....
Do you touch type while constantly using your mouse at the same time?We're talking about playing games. Where you're constantly using your mouse on one hand, and accessing a variety of keys with your left. I'm pretty sure that if you take a bunch of people who are relatively proficient at touch typing, blind fold them, and tell them to occasionally access right hand keys quickly with just their left hand, they'll probably have varied success rates.
I'm not sure, never considered it because it didn't effect me since I know where homerow is and muscle memory just allows me to put my hands where they need to go weather I'm using the left or right hand.
01-19-2017 04:30 PM
falken76 said:
Phaserlight said:
Zenbane said:
Phaserlight said:
For someone complaining about "the newest "generation"", your post looks as though it were written by a raging teen...
I disagree. falken clearly stated that it was only his opinion (one I happen to agree with), and the OP comes off more like a raging teen... as noted by his demanding of a Netflix VR app even though Netflix in VR is perfectly achievable today. Case in point: angry kids prefer app's for everything instead of taking some initiative themselves.
Also, was the UI for Prune link supposed to be satire?
"Prune is a love letter to trees. A game about the beauty and joy of cultivation."
Umm... 😘
No, it wasn't intended to be satire. @falken76 stated that "I absolutely hate the simplistic games available on mobile which are all reduced to crap because the UI is always garbage"
All... always...
To paraphrase Sir Conan Doyle, it only takes one exception to disprove the rule.
User Interface: "the means by which the user and a computer system interact, in particular the use of input devices and software."
People really do enjoy the art of bonsai; Prune emulates that. Regardless of what you think of Prune as a game, however, falken's argument was contingent on all mobile UIs being "garbage". Consider that a UI literally is the means by which a user and computer system interact re: software; it seems that a mobile UI with its touch-screen interface is ideal for a game about trimming away parts of a tree as it grows. This is only one example, but again, let me remind you falken firmly stated "[mobile] UI is always garbage" (emphasis mine).
At this point, the logic of falken's argument more or less falls apart, as games like Prune show the opposite is sometimes the case.
If you are going to quote a sentence I wrote, be sure to include it all and not ommit the very point that Zenbane pointed out. Here, I'll do the honor myself:
"I absolutely hate the simplistic games available on mobile which are all
reduced to crap because the UI is always garbage for games IMHO"
You seem to have conveniently left out the part in bold.
The reason I have that Opinion is because I personally do not like the interface at all due specifically to being a touch screen. I don't think they are well suited to control games. That's how I feel about it. Don't go on some tirade as though I'm stating this is a fact that everyone must agree with.