10-24-2017 08:42 AM
11-19-2017 07:34 AM
11-19-2017 09:03 AM
Mradr said:
1080 to 4k doesn't really look that bad off really. You do lose some detail and things do look a bit softer
11-19-2017 09:32 AM
Zenbane said:
Mradr said:
1080 to 4k doesn't really look that bad off really. You do lose some detail and things do look a bit softer
That isn't a very good selling point. You're basically suggesting that as long as people remove any sense of standards and expectations of quality, then... it's really not that bad. Well, we can say that for pretty much any extreme, yes?
Walking everywhere instead of driving isn't that bad off really. As long as you have some water available so you don't pass out, wear the right shoes, and never have to be anywhere on time then it's worth the exercise.
Here's a good read on Upscaling vs Native, with an example image provided:
http://www.red.com/learn/red-101/upscaled-1080P-vs-4K
"Upscaling is therefore a stopgap measure in the absence of true 4K"
11-19-2017 09:46 AM
Mradr said:
I used to walk every where instead of driving. When I want to grab something local just down the street I would rather walk than drive. For one I don't have to worry about hitting something and having to pay more money to have it fix, and then come home sad with a cop behind me either:))
But my point still holds, VR still lacks the pixels per degree that having a higher res > than a lower native res. Once we can hit true 4k on raw performance then it'll be even better, but till then it's not as bad as that website made it out to be.
Mradr said:
Who says it has to be a selling point in itself? Anything that has a selling point usually has a drawback for that selling point
11-19-2017 10:54 AM
Zenbane said:
Mradr said:
I used to walk every where instead of driving. When I want to grab something local just down the street I would rather walk than drive. For one I don't have to worry about hitting something and having to pay more money to have it fix, and then come home sad with a cop behind me either:))
I used to walk a lot as well. I'm both a good walker and driver so I never really had all the problems you described. But since we're playing the Theorycraft game... one can have just as many problems walking as they do driving. Sometimes more. You can get hit, instead of hitting something. It is also easier to get robbed, mugged, and murdered while walking around town as opposed to driving. You can pay more money due to hospital bills. And you can come home injured with an ambulance behind you.
But hey to each it's own. If your point is that the Pimax 8K is the proverbial "walking" in a world of driving, then yes sir, I agree with you.
But my point still holds, VR still lacks the pixels per degree that having a higher res > than a lower native res. Once we can hit true 4k on raw performance then it'll be even better, but till then it's not as bad as that website made it out to be.
The phrase "not that bad" is very subject. I believe considering the cost (over 4 million dollars) to develop plus the predicted price of the product itself ($500 for the HMD, $300 for the controller)... then yes, it is very very bad. Maybe if it were $200-$300 total then sure you'd have a point about it being "not that bad." But right now we are talking about a high-end product that is implementing low-end technology. And make no mistake, upscaling is the low-end of graphics quality in a world of native resolution.
My previous point still holds: It is not that bad as long as any expectations of quality are abandoned.
Mradr said:
Who says it has to be a selling point in itself? Anything that has a selling point usually has a drawback for that selling point
Yet you're here trying to "sell" upscaling as "not that bad" lol
11-19-2017 11:28 AM
11-19-2017 11:39 AM
kojack said:
Upscaling 1080p to 4k could be done with a simple nearest neighbor sample, you'd have the same effective res, no bluring, but with smaller pixels (so probably reduced sde).
The problem is the Pimax 8K doesn't do a simple 2:1 upscale, it's doing 1440p to 4K. That means it's not an integer multiple, so rows and columns don't evenly map from one res to the other. That causes problems with fine detail that moves around.
11-19-2017 11:53 AM
Atmos73 said:
Last I read they’re rendering 4k upscaling to 8k.
11-19-2017 12:08 PM
Atmos73 said:
The fact remains they’re rendering 4k and upscaling to 8k which is a ratio of 2:1.
11-19-2017 12:23 PM
Mradr said:
Anyone that has tried the Pimax agrees it's still better than current gen headsets.