05-17-2018 01:06 PM
05-21-2018 02:32 PM
kevinw729 said:.ha, ha - such a joker @snowdog.
But seriously, Samsung did release only recently a
new GearVR to take their new larger phone - so there seems to be a
president. I would wonder with some 3m+ GVR's rumored to be in the
market would be surprised if a corporation would just walk away from
that installed base, unless they have no interest to continue the
partnership with OVR... for whatever reason?
05-21-2018 02:34 PM
nalex66 said:
kevinw729 said:.ha, ha - such a joker @snowdog.
But seriously, Samsung did release only recently a
new GearVR to take their new larger phone - so there seems to be a
president. I would wonder with some 3m+ GVR's rumored to be in the
market would be surprised if a corporation would just walk away from
that installed base, unless they have no interest to continue the
partnership with OVR... for whatever reason?
Now don’t go bringing politics into this! 😉
05-21-2018 02:47 PM
snowdog said:
He did say 'especially'. Meaning not necessarily EVERYBODY.
I do not have a problem with you not owning a Rift or a Go
05-21-2018 03:17 PM
05-21-2018 03:19 PM
05-21-2018 03:21 PM
kevinw729 said:
Becoming a new artform in Japan:
05-21-2018 03:33 PM
DaftnDirect said:
......
Like it, I noticed in the pic on the train earlier, one of them had a shiny yellow wrap.
05-21-2018 03:38 PM
05-21-2018 03:46 PM
kevinw729 said:DaftnDirect said:
......
Like it, I noticed in the pic on the train earlier, one of them had a shiny yellow wrap.
Noticed that too - seems a real missed opportunity for customization, but it seems that the OGO launch has been low key, with no real peripherals or other merch (at this time) - as if they wanted to play it cool to start with. Or this is as some people call it a new direction after GVR.
mmm I've always thought that low key product launches tend to encourage critical favour. Something to do with human nature encouraging the withdrawn individual with hidden talents.
Whoever's responsible for ads on Google please take note... I've just bought trainers on-line (having not looked at any ads) and now am getting bombarded with ads for trainers. So annoying.
05-21-2018 03:57 PM
Zenbane said:
nrosko said:
How is a post of me asking if anyone regretted selling an Oculus for a Vive proof of being on an anti Oculus crusade for over a year?Is that really all your post says? Do I need to circle the parts you keep intentionally ignoring?That post alone isn't proof, I talked about other evidence, but I'm not going to start quoting everything since anytime I do that to someone it does come across as a personal attack. Besides, it doesn't seem that quoting you does any good since you keep pretending that the stuff being quoted doesn't exist.
nrosko said:And i guess i'm not the only one who thinks you are an Oculus employee
https://forums.oculusvr.com/community/discussion/51875/zenbane-palmer-luckey/p1Don't get too excited. That's my buddy @elboffor and he does that on purpose because he knows how much I dislike Palmer. elboffor is also on my personal Facebook friend's list; so don't think you found someone who actually believes I am on the Oculus payroll😄
nrosko said:I'm not defending his statement again with the strawman, i'm asking why people are getting so upset over it & being somewhat hostile towards him.You most certainly did defend his statement when you entered this thread with the following:No idea why people get there knickers in twist over Atmos73 posts. I'd
don't find his vive bias any more grating than the blind oculus bias.You are blatantly referring to his using of the Amazon Top Seller list as "the same vive bias as the blind oculus bias." And in that sense, you are defending his argument that GO sales can't sell in the millions because... according to a wrong interpretation of Amazon's Top Seller inner workings, GO sales are relative to Vive sales.Why are people upset? Well because Atmos has repeatedly used Amazon as a weapon against the forum by intentionally portraying Amazon sales as an "accurate all encompassing" sales figure for Oculus. Every time he does it, multiple Oculus consumers try to provide a counter-argument that reminds him that Oculus sales take place on multiple storefronts, including Best Buy and Oculus.com. Yet he intentionally ignores all of that and instead jumps to new threads to start the debacle all over again.Furthermore, Atmos intentionally turned the conversation in to a "GO vs Vive" debate which most certainly has nothing to do with this topic. It's beyond Apples-to-Oranges and a blatant topic derail.People are tired of being intentionally ignored and baited with monotonous rhetoric. And now you are trying to pretend that you don't understand the issue, and you won't even address it directly after I've asked you repeatedly. Probably because you know his argument makes no sense and want to avoid saying it out loud lolI'll ask again to see how often you'll keep avoiding it:Do you agree that on a global scale, regardless of the store being used, that Oculus GO sales are limited to HTC Vive sales due to 'relativity'?I personally can't answer whether the sales relative as i don't know how the Amazon charts works
Then how do you know that the bias is the same as the "blind" Oculus bias? In fact, how can you know which bias is blind and which is more grounded in facts? LZ started this thread with a bias that is grounded in facts (actual Android download figures). Those figures include all storefronts that sell GO.
Atmos tried to counter with a single store, which intentionally ignores all other stores. And he also intentionally misrepresented how Amazon's chart works. You claim to not know, yet it has been quoted repeatedly in this thread. I'll gladly post it again:
While the Amazon Best Sellers list is a good indicator of how well a
product is selling overall, it doesn't always indicate how well an item
is selling among other similar items. Category and subcategory best
seller lists were created to highlight an item's rank in the categories
or subcategories where it really stands out.
We choose a few of
the most popular subcategories in which the item has a high ranking in
relation to other items in that subcategory, and showcase the item's
rank on the product page. As with the main Amazon Best Sellers list,
these category rankings are based on Amazon.com sales and are updated
hourly.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=525376
Do you think that any sale indicators on Amazon are a strong indicator of how sales are doing with other stores?B)Zenbane said:
nrosko said:
How is a post of me asking if anyone regretted selling an Oculus for a Vive proof of being on an anti Oculus crusade for over a year?Is that really all your post says? Do I need to circle the parts you keep intentionally ignoring?That post alone isn't proof, I talked about other evidence, but I'm not going to start quoting everything since anytime I do that to someone it does come across as a personal attack. Besides, it doesn't seem that quoting you does any good since you keep pretending that the stuff being quoted doesn't exist.
nrosko said:And i guess i'm not the only one who thinks you are an Oculus employee
https://forums.oculusvr.com/community/discussion/51875/zenbane-palmer-luckey/p1Don't get too excited. That's my buddy @elboffor and he does that on purpose because he knows how much I dislike Palmer. elboffor is also on my personal Facebook friend's list; so don't think you found someone who actually believes I am on the Oculus payroll😄
nrosko said:I'm not defending his statement again with the strawman, i'm asking why people are getting so upset over it & being somewhat hostile towards him.You most certainly did defend his statement when you entered this thread with the following:No idea why people get there knickers in twist over Atmos73 posts. I'd
don't find his vive bias any more grating than the blind oculus bias.You are blatantly referring to his using of the Amazon Top Seller list as "the same vive bias as the blind oculus bias." And in that sense, you are defending his argument that GO sales can't sell in the millions because... according to a wrong interpretation of Amazon's Top Seller inner workings, GO sales are relative to Vive sales.Why are people upset? Well because Atmos has repeatedly used Amazon as a weapon against the forum by intentionally portraying Amazon sales as an "accurate all encompassing" sales figure for Oculus. Every time he does it, multiple Oculus consumers try to provide a counter-argument that reminds him that Oculus sales take place on multiple storefronts, including Best Buy and Oculus.com. Yet he intentionally ignores all of that and instead jumps to new threads to start the debacle all over again.Furthermore, Atmos intentionally turned the conversation in to a "GO vs Vive" debate which most certainly has nothing to do with this topic. It's beyond Apples-to-Oranges and a blatant topic derail.People are tired of being intentionally ignored and baited with monotonous rhetoric. And now you are trying to pretend that you don't understand the issue, and you won't even address it directly after I've asked you repeatedly. Probably because you know his argument makes no sense and want to avoid saying it out loud lolI'll ask again to see how often you'll keep avoiding it:Do you agree that on a global scale, regardless of the store being used, that Oculus GO sales are limited to HTC Vive sales due to 'relativity'?I personally can't answer whether the sales relative as i don't know how the Amazon charts works
Then how do you know that the bias is the same as the "blind" Oculus bias? In fact, how can you know which bias is blind and which is more grounded in facts? LZ started this thread with a bias that is grounded in facts (actual Android download figures). Those figures include all storefronts that sell GO.
Atmos tried to counter with a single store, which intentionally ignores all other stores. And he also intentionally misrepresented how Amazon's chart works. You claim to not know, yet it has been quoted repeatedly in this thread. I'll gladly post it again:
While the Amazon Best Sellers list is a good indicator of how well a
product is selling overall, it doesn't always indicate how well an item
is selling among other similar items. Category and subcategory best
seller lists were created to highlight an item's rank in the categories
or subcategories where it really stands out.
We choose a few of
the most popular subcategories in which the item has a high ranking in
relation to other items in that subcategory, and showcase the item's
rank on the product page. As with the main Amazon Best Sellers list,
these category rankings are based on Amazon.com sales and are updated
hourly.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=525376
Do you think that any sale indicators on Amazon are a strong indicator of how sales are doing with other stores?B)