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Well We Can All Wave Goodbye To Horror Games And Games With Decent Melee Combat Now

Anonymous
Not applicable
Oculus have just emailed with regards to a new content policy and it's ridiculous. Details here:

https://developer.oculus.com/distribute/latest/concepts/publish-content-guidelines/

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Content Guidelines

Here are some basic content standards that we apply to all apps and games. The following is not accepted in the Oculus Store:

  • Pornography, including content for the purpose of sexual gratification.
  • Excessively violent content (including but not limited to: torture, rape, child abuse, animal abuse, cannibalism, glorification of gore, and dismemberment).
  • Hate speech, bullying, molestation, or harassment.
  • Real-money gambling.
  • Applications directed to children or users under the age of 13.


So if you're wanting to play a horror game or game with melee combat you won't see any dismemberment. Fucking ridiculous.

I can see horror game developers in particular abandoning the Oculus Store in favour of Steam if you can't have a few severed limbs here and there. And that's going to be a disaster for all Rift owners because we know how much of a clusterfuck SteamVR is for Rift owners since the Rift launched.

Dismemberment has been a part of video games since the 80s ffs.
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Digikid1
Consultant
Wow.  That’s pretty extreme of Oculus to do. 

RorschachPhoeni
Trustee
If you think this is bad, then you should have your eyes wide open to see what is happening right now on this planet and also to not miss out what will happen next. This is just regular political correctness censorship guidance to please everyone promote an ideology in which everyone who dares to express a different opinion than the big social media corporations like google, facebook and twitter and also the mainstream media (as an ally) is an alt-right-nazi.

Racist or Hateful imagery (such as swastikas, Pepe the Frog, or similar images whether they were offensive at the time of submission or became offensive later)

Pepe the Frog is now the new nazi swastika. And only god knows what other hateful imagery there are. Maybe me, eating ice cream while sitting on the toilet.

Sounds a bit paranoid, but they will find a way to widen the library of images that are in their opinion hatefull. Because it is their opinion that matters. And it is their decision making.
It took quite a while to be honest, but eventually we will have "Newspeak" and "doublethink" (1984).
Google is also doing a brilliant job when it comes to fire people who does not share the same believe systems (or are decent human beings that at times uses their brain also for critical thinking).

I don't want to derail this thread further anymore, just wanted to leave my 2 cents here, because what on the surface looks like something irrelevant (because it is about VR games) is under the surface (at the core) the most dangerous thing since the cold war.
Freedom of speech, freedom of thought and self-expression are in real danger.

(Yes, this has not much to do with VR games and some research about how political correctness is turning into oppressive tyranny is necessary.)
Excuse my bad english. I speak to you through the google translator. 😛

Anonymous
Not applicable
That list seems to be in keeping with what we get already. No reason to panic at all. Gore is not excessive and it does list the specific examples. No need worry nor rant. The Hate Speech is an interesting topic as it is rather vague. In UK and most countries this is often used in referring to the complete law relating to a connection to against religion; race; etc. Media and Police often quote it as an exaggeration as if Hate is NOT ALLOWED. I feel these terms are a slight reflection upon this same issue. Would a game that uses taunts be NOT ALLOWED? I think these are missing in AI characters in E:D and seriously they can not listen to what we are saying to opponents over mics.

I am actually surprized real money gambling bothers VR e.g. Poker as that is pretty common place already. Do they wish to ban gambling in the world? No as it makes money and steals from the meek. Only fools gamble.

Also, I think FARLANDS is directed at under 10s!

falken76
Expert Consultant
Ha.  Lets say the game is popular like Onward.  They wouldn't care if there was a little dismemberment.  I don't think they'd enforce it.  Why does everyone hate on steam?  It plays just fine for me, does it not work for most people?  What they should worry about if they enforce this is rift owners who believe Steam is the crap it's reported to be going to steam and actually trying it out and finding out that's not the case at all.  The games I enjoy the most just happen to be games I bought on steam, not because it's steam, I just happened to purchase one there and the other is only available on steam.

falken76
Expert Consultant

snowdog said:


Mradr said:

Why not ... idk .. allow an age setting? Or allow multi profiles for different users like we have with netflix for what you can see/watch?



This is where I'm confused. It says below that part that I quoted that stuff in R rated films should be fine but I've no idea what the equivalent is over here in the UK. I'm guessing it's the equivalent of an 18 certificate but over here you can have arms, legs and heads flying all over the place in films for 18 years old plus. In fact I'm pretty sure that I went with my Dad to the cinema to see Conan The Barbarian when I was aged 11 and it was a 15 certificate at the time and had limbs and heads getting severed.

And even if R rated films can have dismemberment in the States they've mentioned dismemberment as a major no-no in that list. Which is just plain stupid. Like I've said we've had dismemberment in video games since the 80s ffs.

I'm SERIOUSLY pissed off if we can't have dismemberment in games on the Oculus Store now.



Be sure to link this for them.  This is an R rated movie.  I would say a cannon ball taking a head off the shoulders is dismemberment.




MowTin
Expert Trustee
I love the dismemberment in Fallout 4VR. At least we still have Steam. 
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vanfanel
Heroic Explorer
For those curious this was the change:
  • Excessively violent content.
to
  • Excessively violent content (including but not limited to: torture,
    rape, child abuse, animal abuse, cannibalism, glorification of gore, and
    dismemberment).

Whether what this actually means we'll have to wait and see from a dev that gets there app rejected because of this.  I actually don't believe it's a strict enforcement and I'm sure we'll continue to see zombie shooters flood the stores with headshots and dismemberments intact.  However, would a game like Gorn be allowed in the store?  It seems to apply even though it is cartoony and not very realistic.

RedRizla
Honored Visionary
I think Oculus need be a bit more specific in what they mean by "glorification of gore, and dismemberment." The word glorification can mean a few things. The dismemberment thing is a real concern though, because it looks like us adults are going to be playing 70% of kids games on the Oculus store. Would things like Pacman come under cannibalism just incase someone wants to do a VR version of that game?

I can certainly understand some of the stuff they mention, but why would Oculus make a ruling that will effect developers and there store by adding things like dismemberment to that list? Make a an 18 yrs old certificate on a different part of the store that requires a pass code or something, it's as simple as that if they are concerned about something. Not sure what the concern is though given Steam has hundreds of gore and dismemberment games I believe..

https://www.audioenglish.org/dictionary/glorification.htm



kojack
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So how much of that was because of The Forest getting a VR version? You can murder cannibals with a chainsaw, hack off their limbs, cook and eat them, use their bones as armor and use the remaining limbs to build effigies to taunt the survivors. Then chase down a rabbit and cut its head off with an axe. That covers most of the violent content rules. 🙂

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RedRizla
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kojack said:

So how much of that was because of The Forest getting a VR version? You can murder cannibals with a chainsaw, hack off their limbs, cook and eat them, use their bones as armor and use the remaining limbs to build effigies to taunt the survivors. Then chase down a rabbit and cut its head off with an axe. That covers most of the violent content rules. 🙂




Thanks for the tips, I wasn't aware you could do all that in The Forest. I'm just waiting for a few more bug fixes before I play it all. Are things like Arizona Sunshine going to stay on the store? I haven't purchased it yet, but can't you blow limbs off in that game?