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Well We Can All Wave Goodbye To Horror Games And Games With Decent Melee Combat Now

Anonymous
Not applicable
Oculus have just emailed with regards to a new content policy and it's ridiculous. Details here:

https://developer.oculus.com/distribute/latest/concepts/publish-content-guidelines/

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Content Guidelines

Here are some basic content standards that we apply to all apps and games. The following is not accepted in the Oculus Store:

  • Pornography, including content for the purpose of sexual gratification.
  • Excessively violent content (including but not limited to: torture, rape, child abuse, animal abuse, cannibalism, glorification of gore, and dismemberment).
  • Hate speech, bullying, molestation, or harassment.
  • Real-money gambling.
  • Applications directed to children or users under the age of 13.


So if you're wanting to play a horror game or game with melee combat you won't see any dismemberment. Fucking ridiculous.

I can see horror game developers in particular abandoning the Oculus Store in favour of Steam if you can't have a few severed limbs here and there. And that's going to be a disaster for all Rift owners because we know how much of a clusterfuck SteamVR is for Rift owners since the Rift launched.

Dismemberment has been a part of video games since the 80s ffs.
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LZoltowski
Champion

Zenbane said:

Excessively violent games can still be played on the Rift, you just can't buy them direct from the Oculus Store. But developers can sell them on their websites and we can play by allowing 'external sources' (or whatever that option is).

Also, I'm willing to bet that the "dismemberment" clause is limited to animals and people. I'm pretty sure we'll still be able to dismember zombies, demons, and monsters.

Yeah, Robo Recall has dismemberment ... plus I am sure, they mean "excessive" dismemberment ..
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Zenbane said:

Excessively violent games can still be played on the Rift, you just can't buy them direct from the Oculus Store. But developers can sell them on their websites and we can play by allowing 'external sources' (or whatever that option is).

Also, I'm willing to bet that the "dismemberment" clause is limited to animals and people. I'm pretty sure we'll still be able to dismember zombies, demons, and monsters.

Yeah, Robo Recall has dismemberment ... plus I am sure, they mean "excessive" dismemberment ..



 😄 

Moderate dismemberment.  Just doesn't sound right. 
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kernow
Heroic Explorer
Go to settings. Set the setting to allow 3rd party content. Download and run your VR app that includes any or all of those prohibited items with ease. <eye roll>

In other news, you can not buy pork chops at your local synogogue or mosque, but you can go next door to Boss Hogg's BBQ Stall and get all the pork chops that you want.

LZoltowski
Champion
Those guidelines are nothing new:

Apple:
Realistic portrayals of people or animals being killed, maimed, tortured, or abused, or content that encourages violence.

Google Play
Graphic depictions or descriptions of realistic violence or violent threats to any person or animal.

VivePort
No adult content, this includes sexually explicit or erotic material, nudity
No content that depicts gratuitous violence 

Even steam has recently started to annoy developers asking them to tone down nudity/sexy apps

In Germany, blood and violence are heavily censored in games, ALL games, under the youth protection act. Many games need special localised versions that remove gore, blood etc ...  
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Anonymous
Not applicable
I don't agree with censorship of art at all - but as long as I can continue to run 3rd party apps I am not to worried.

Anonymous
Not applicable

kernow said:

Go to settings. Set the setting to allow 3rd party content. Download and run your VR app that includes any or all of those prohibited items with ease. <eye roll>

In other news, you can not buy pork chops at your local synogogue or mosque, but you can go next door to Boss Hogg's BBQ Stall and get all the pork chops that you want.



The problem with that, with me speaking about my game personally, is that this would limit us devs from not having our games available from the Oculus Store and only on Steam and our websites. I've decided not to have my game available on Steam because it's going to get lost in the sea of shite games that are released on there every day. So that would leave me with my games being sold on my website only.

I was also planning on having my game on the Oculus Store exclusively because I need funding to get it finished. So that's up the spout too. Most of the software I'm using is either trial software or Student software, not for use for commercial purposes and for some of it not even usable for release AT ALL. I'm going to be left releasing a game that I can't sell or even give away for nothing unless I can find a few grand from somewhere to buy the full versions of software that I need.

My plan was to have the game's sales going to cancer research but now I'm going to have to censor this game up the wazoo and make it a less attractive game for horror fans.

falken76
Expert Consultant



I just bought the Arizona Sunshine DLC last night, and this would definitely fall foul of these rules, as you blow zombie limbs and heads clean off in this game franchise!

It would be a sad loss if games like this are no longer produced for Rift. 



It would just mean that I don't buy anything new on Oculus Home and buy everything on Steam.  If Oculus Home becomes the Sesame street of game options and Steam is the cooler "Sega Genesis cool guy" brand, I'll go there in an instant and get all my games from them.

If all this shit in current events means that the government ruins gaming the way movies are currently ruined with all their bullshit PC agenda driven garbage, then gaming will be dead and the industry will be transformed into a disaster that would crash like a burning industry and they would claim we are all racist biggots because we didn't buy their content and thus to them that proves their claims.

bigmike20vt
Visionary

Zenbane said:

Excessively violent games can still be played on the Rift, you just can't buy them direct from the Oculus Store. But developers can sell them on their websites and we can play by allowing 'external sources' (or whatever that option is).

Also, I'm willing to bet that the "dismemberment" clause is limited to animals and people. I'm pretty sure we'll still be able to dismember zombies, demons, and monsters.



Indeed I remember playing the sterilised version of carmageddon which had people replaced by zombies for this reason.
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MowTin
Expert Trustee

Zenbane said:

Excessively violent games can still be played on the Rift, you just can't buy them direct from the Oculus Store. But developers can sell them on their websites and we can play by allowing 'external sources' (or whatever that option is).

Also, I'm willing to bet that the "dismemberment" clause is limited to animals and people. I'm pretty sure we'll still be able to dismember zombies, demons, and monsters.

I'm tired of shooting robots, zombies and monsters in VR. 

One game that would definitely fall afoul of this is Fallout 4 VR. You can blow heads off and set people on fire in that game. 

It wasn't violent enough for me so I included the dismemberment mod. Now I can shoot and chop limbs off. 

Will Fallout 4 VR be banned if it's ever released on Home?

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falken76
Expert Consultant

snowdog said:


kernow said:

Go to settings. Set the setting to allow 3rd party content. Download and run your VR app that includes any or all of those prohibited items with ease. <eye roll>

In other news, you can not buy pork chops at your local synogogue or mosque, but you can go next door to Boss Hogg's BBQ Stall and get all the pork chops that you want.



The problem with that, with me speaking about my game personally, is that this would limit us devs from not having our games available from the Oculus Store and only on Steam and our websites. I've decided not to have my game available on Steam because it's going to get lost in the sea of shite games that are released on there every day. So that would leave me with my games being sold on my website only.

I was also planning on having my game on the Oculus Store exclusively because I need funding to get it finished. So that's up the spout too. Most of the software I'm using is either trial software or Student software, not for use for commercial purposes and for some of it not even usable for release AT ALL. I'm going to be left releasing a game that I can't sell or even give away for nothing unless I can find a few grand from somewhere to buy the full versions of software that I need.

My plan was to have the game's sales going to cancer research but now I'm going to have to censor this game up the wazoo and make it a less attractive game for horror fans.



What is it with this weird brand loyalty?  Steam would be the place to release a game because it is the largest place to get games and a large majority of people go there for games.  As far as VR is concerned, you have a much larger audience to cater to with all the other headsets.  A game will do well based upon it's content.  If your game is good, it doesn't matter where it's released.  You should be releasing on your own website regardless, and use both Steam and Oculus as sales channels if the options are there for you. 

The free trial and student versions of software always watermark the output.  You know how to use a torrent don't you?  If so, better use a VPN too...  What was your plan?  You were developing this the whole time, was the plan to get someone to pay for the software so you could release this?  And honestly, that cancer research stuff sounds like fluff to sell a game. 

Why wouldn't you want to sell your game on all available channels that are willing to allow you to sell it?  The fact that VR has a lot of bad games on steam doesn't mean they don't have any good ones, that burden falls upon the developer, if their game is good, it will do well on it's own.  If the game is bad, it will do bad and the reviews will reflect that.  It won't stop people from looking for VR content to enjoy.

I personally think more than 3 quarters of the software on Oculus Home is complete garbage, baby games and tech demos for people with a hard on for the technology itself, but I still look and find good games that I enjoy.