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Well We Can All Wave Goodbye To Horror Games And Games With Decent Melee Combat Now

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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 15,144 Valuable Player
    I'm sure you'll be fine, snowdog. I mean, Arizona Sunshine is still alive and well right now on OH!

    :)
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  • BeastyBaiterBeastyBaiter Posts: 810
    3Jane
    This looks like a classic case of ass covering tbh. I suspect the school shooter game was the catalyst. Funnily enough, I doubt anyone would have bought it if it weren't given a ton of free advertising by all the people complaining about it.

    The real question is would a game like the Witcher series get blocked. It checks pretty much every box but isn't a porn or torture porn game. It would be a real shame if all we get are kid friendly games here.
  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,484 Valuable Player
    Zenbane said:
    I'm sure you'll be fine, snowdog. I mean, Arizona Sunshine is still alive and well right now on OH!

    :)

    Unfortunately that isn't an indication of anything. They've said that current games on the Oculus Store won't be affected, so anything Submitted from yesterday onwards will be under these new Content Policy rules.
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  • SimonSays28SimonSays28 Posts: 578
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    Based on our Canadian movie rating system:

    G: Suitable for all ages

    PG: Parental guidance advised. There is no age restriction but some material may not be suitable for children under 12.

    14A: Persons under 14 years of age must be accompanied by an adult.

    18A: Persons under 18 years of age must be accompanied by an adult. In the some provinces, children under the age of 14 are prohibited from viewing the film.

    R: Admittance restricted to people 18 years of age or older. Persons under 18 years of age are not permitted to attend under any circumstances. May contain explicit sexual content, extreme graphic violence (with or without cruelty), pornographic content, intense horror, very coarse language and other disturbing content that is inappropriate for children and therefore off-limits for minors.

    A: Admittance restricted to people 18 years of age or older. Persons under 18 are not permitted to attend under any circumstances. Sole purpose of the film is the portrayal of sexually explicit activity and/or explicit violence.


    I think the cutoff for the Oculus store would be 18A - currently Deadpool 2 is rated 18A in Canada, other movies rated like this include It, John Wick, Pulp Fiction, etc.

    I am not sure if American Psycho is still classified as an R rated movie up here - but at the time of release it was and based on my memory I think it is a good example of a cutoff point due to it's subject matter.

    For video games - I could see something like Resident Evil 7 getting allowed where as something like the Outlast series might get censored before being able to be released on the store or it might not make the cut even with censorship.
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  • EvileyesEvileyes Posts: 354
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    edited June 2018

    Damn, that's like getting invited to a party then the owner says to you "don't have too much fun"

    Seriously though, you can always fall back on SteamVR or some other medium, theres always a "way"

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  • falken76falken76 Posts: 2,901 Valuable Player
    edited June 2018
    Evileyes said:

    Damn, that's like getting invited to a party then the owner says to you "don't have too much fun"

    Seriously though, you can always fall back on SteamVR or some other medium, theres always a "way"

    Absolutely.  If Oculus Home becomes the PBS of video games, this place will turn into a ghost town because everyone would just migrate over to Steam.  That would really hurt VR because the only real development would be additions to existing games and that's not likely because when it's all said and done, the dev is not going to waste their time on something that will produce almost no ROI at all, and if it was known everyone moved off a platform because it became too "kiddie" perhaps it would be written off as a waste of effort.  Or Steam could embrase the mass exodus and say something like "Steam, where we don't only offer G rated games"

    But I agree with someone above, this stinks of CYA policy.  Some shit hits the fan and they'll point to policy "We don't condone this, we are a large community and rely on community reports, we are glad this was brought to our attention and we have addressed the issue".  That kind of thing.
  • MAC_MAN86MAC_MAN86 Posts: 2,262
    Wintermute
    edited June 2018
    I think that non-real outcomes in Games displaying seemingly fantasy superpowers is sending kids the wrong message. Remember that government advert against binge drinking on holiday and then going climbing hotel balconies. It made us out to think that we forget we are human and have Superpowers when we are entoxicated. Then explain brewers droop! I never feel like Superman when I am drunk. Just drink in brains out! So these Superpowers must be instilled by BLOODY SUPERPOWER GAMES!!!

    (Why does the forum not recognise the word ENTOXICATED?)

  • Hiro_Protag0nistHiro_Protag0nist Posts: 4,978 Valuable Player
    edited June 2018
    MAC_MAN86 said:
    I think that non-real outcomes in Games displaying seemingly fantasy superpowers is sending kids the wrong message. Remember that government advert against binge drinking on holiday and then going climbing hotel balconies. It made us out to think that we forget we are human and have Superpowers when we are entoxicated. Then explain brewers droop! I never feel like Superman when I am drunk. Just drink in brains out! So these Superpowers must be instilled by BLOODY SUPERPOWER GAMES!!!

    (Why does the forum not recognise the word ENTOXICATED?)


    I don't recognise it either.  What does it mean?

    edit:  Just read the post.  Intoxicated.
  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,484 Valuable Player
    And don't forget exotoxicated. That's just being drunk on the outside. B)

    Wish I could get drunk. Thanks to my allergy I can only get drunk on @vannagirl's lurve. :(
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  • Hiro_Protag0nistHiro_Protag0nist Posts: 4,978 Valuable Player
    Zenbane said:

    This is Intoxicated:




    This is entoxicated:




    I like to really go for it.


  • MAC_MAN86MAC_MAN86 Posts: 2,262
    Wintermute
    You see, these guys ain't think they are Superman. Just those gamers who never seen the dangers of your limbs being cut off. I must say, RoboRecall and Arizona Sunshine seem to have kept their ranking of MOST DISMEMBERMENT by changing the rules for new Devs - congrats by this. It's a kinda mafia dare I say it!
    As the vast majority are over 18 it rather makes it childlike for us adults from now on!

    I'm still lost though. Isn't Oculus good for under 13s or do they simply not trust that all they wanna do if play games which they find entertaining to them? Seems to be like a perverted twist of over-parenting by hypocrisy just because they think they themselves would abuse the PG Ratings if they were still young.


  • kernowkernow Posts: 733
    Trinity
    MAC_MAN86 said:
    (Why does the forum not recognise the word ENTOXICATED?)

    Umm... It is not the forum; it is the spellcheck of your browser. Why do so many people think that spellcheck comes from the sites they are visiting?
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 15,144 Valuable Player
    kernow said:
    Umm... It is not the forum; it is the spellcheck of your browser. Why do so many people think that spellcheck comes from the sites they are visiting?

    I was waiting to see who was going to be the first person to point this out! lol
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  • HiThere_HiThere_ Posts: 1,277
    3Jane
    I am sure, they mean "excessive" dismemberment ..
    Moderate dismemberment.  Just doesn't sound right. 
    One dismemberment is OK, but no more then two per opponent...

    I guess that means the Oculus Store isn't getting GORN.

  • MAC_MAN86MAC_MAN86 Posts: 2,262
    Wintermute
    edited June 2018
    Just imagine if HBO entered the VR Gaming Market. There'd be sword fights in orgies with all sorts to cut off!
    Got an early night...school day tomorrow (work) LOL!
  • ApplecorpApplecorp Posts: 741
    3Jane
    edited June 2018
  • kernowkernow Posts: 733
    Trinity
    MAC_MAN86 said:
    Just imagine if HBO entered the VR Gaming Market. There'd be sword fights in orgies with all sorts to cut off!
    Got an early night...school day tomorrow (work) LOL!
    And... Now I want HBO Game Studios.


    Er... Though, it would be amusing if they named it HBO New Entertainment Realities Studios, but were oblivious to the abbreviation.
  • ElusiveMarlinElusiveMarlin Posts: 293
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    If it is "Just a flesh wound", it is not dismemberment right?  :-)


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  • LZoltowskiLZoltowski Posts: 6,774 Volunteer Moderator
    When it comes to mature content (for instance violence, alcohol/drugs, nudity, or adult language), we are likely to accept content that generally falls within the threshold of an R-rating for a movie. Note that even though your application may contain these elements, the use of them in marketing materials on our platform may be limited. These policies are described in more detail in the Store Asset Content Guidelines section below.

    The thing is that R rated in the US is not the same as 18 here in the UK, European certification tends to be a lot more forgiving of nudity or sex or strong language, but is harsher on explicit violence, it seems to be the other way round in the US. Do not fear the NIPPLE!


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  • JD-UKJD-UK Posts: 2,367 Valuable Player
    Yeah, Brits are such a bunch of boring prudes!




  • kernowkernow Posts: 733
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    kojack said:
    I'm not sure about the chart re US's R rating. Pretty much any theater will allow under-18 to an R-rated movie if accompanied by an adult. Watching Deadpool at the theater should clue pretty much everyone in on that. (Plus, most of my childhood outtings to the cinema and drive-ins with parents was to R-rated movies [mostly horror/slasher movies]). NC17 is pretty much the only rating where cinemas in the US will disallow under-18 regardless of a parent/guardian.
  • kojackkojack Posts: 6,411 Volunteer Moderator
    kernow said:
    kojack said:
    I'm not sure about the chart re US's R rating. Pretty much any theater will allow under-18 to an R-rated movie if accompanied by an adult. Watching Deadpool at the theater should clue pretty much everyone in on that. (Plus, most of my childhood outtings to the cinema and drive-ins with parents was to R-rated movies [mostly horror/slasher movies]). NC17 is pretty much the only rating where cinemas in the US will disallow under-18 regardless of a parent/guardian.
    From the site I linked, on the american specifics part:

    Films are classified by the Classification and Rating Administration (CARA), an independent organisation comprised of parents, established by the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA). Participation in the scheme is voluntary, but most cinemas agree to enforce the MPAA film classifications for commercial reasons. Some of the smaller or independent studios have chosen not to participate in the scheme due to cost.

    The CARA assigns classifications of G—General Audiences; PG—Parental Guidance Suggested; PG-13—Parents Strongly Cautioned; R—Restricted; and NC-17—No One 17 and Under Admitted. Admission to NC-17 films is restricted to adults, while R-rated films may be viewed by persons at least 17 years of age or children accompanied by a parent or adult guardian. In the 1990s, classification descriptors such as ‘contains mild language and some crude humour’ were added in order to increase transparency about the specific reasons for a film’s classification.

    DVD classification is also voluntary. DVDs generally carry the classification assigned by the MPAA for the film previously released in cinemas, though it is not uncommon for producers to add additional ‘unrated’ content to DVD releases. DVDs that have not been previously exhibited in theatres may be submitted to CARA for classification or released as ‘unrated’. By industry agreement, retailers screen customers to ensure that DVDs rated R or NC-17 are not purchased by individuals under the age of eighteen.



  • Hiro_Protag0nistHiro_Protag0nist Posts: 4,978 Valuable Player
    Well isn't that interesting.  Valve have today announced that as long as it is legal, it's allowed on Steam.  

    Timing is everything.

    7th paragraph:

    https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/1666776116200553082

    It's also all over the tech news.
  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,484 Valuable Player
    @snowdog

    I have an update for you (and anyone else following this thread):

    "Dismemberment is generally ok, we draw the line at the glorification of it.  So for example, fighting zombies and ripping off limbs is fine, but running through a mall ripping the arms off innocent people just to hear them scream has definitely crossed over into glorification."

     


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  • LZoltowskiLZoltowski Posts: 6,774 Volunteer Moderator
    snowdog said:
    @snowdog

    I have an update for you (and anyone else following this thread):

    "Dismemberment is generally ok, we draw the line at the glorification of it.  So for example, fighting zombies and ripping off limbs is fine, but running through a mall ripping the arms off innocent people just to hear them scream has definitely crossed over into glorification."

     


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  • LZoltowskiLZoltowski Posts: 6,774 Volunteer Moderator
    snowdog said:
    Just wanted to update this thread after @imperativity got some clarification internally at Oculus. So I'll be fine with everything I have planned for my game.

    And another update about my game itself is that the Unreal Marketplace had a sale on that's just ended and I bought Dungeon Architect which is a plugin that procedurally generates levels. If it performs well enough then I'm going to have my game procedurally generated each time a player starts a new game which should knock the replay value through the roof. B)

    It was 50% off, too rich for my blood for the original £94 or so but at £47 it was worth a gamble I reckon.

    I've redone all of my modular corridors now adding more geometry so they look a lot better and now I just need to texture them.

    So first I'm going to texture the corridor pieces, then work on the alien parasite model, then design and implement my control options menu and then figure out how this Dungeon Architect plugin works and I MIGHT have something playable in a couple of months which you guys can test out. B)

     Hey, I'm finishing a project on the 21st, and I have like 200 points left on MegaScans, that's good for quite a few textures and objects, you're welcome to them when I am done, 

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  • Hiro_Protag0nistHiro_Protag0nist Posts: 4,978 Valuable Player
    snowdog said:

    And another update about my game itself is that the Unreal Marketplace had a sale on that's just ended and I bought Dungeon Architect which is a plugin that procedurally generates levels. If it performs well enough then I'm going to have my game procedurally generated each time a player starts a new game which should knock the replay value through the roof. B)



    Can you imagine these dungeon crawlers with real actors popping up out of nowhere - would be cool.  If they could watch people wandering around (like in other multiplayers when you die) and choose when and where to appear - oh yes!
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