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The Official Football Season 2018-2019 Thread

snowdogsnowdog Posts: 6,907 Valuable Player
edited July 2018 in Off-Topic
Well it's almost Premiership football time again. Just a few pre-season matches to go and the season will start.

United played the Mexican side Club America in the States at 3am this morning and drew 1-1. Chong came on as a sub and was awesome as always. I'm hoping he and Gomes are going to break through to the first team this season although Mourinho is sounding like he doesn't think Chong is strong enough to break through this year due to his 10 month break after his knee exploded last season. Probably doesn't want to rush him back too soon against the big boys.

United's next pre-season match is against the San Jose Earthquakes on Sunday at 10pm.
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 6,907 Valuable Player
    0-0 earlier tonight against the San Jose Earthquakes. Poor performance tbh. I'm thinking we need to get rid of Martial, he was missing for most of the match again.
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 6,907 Valuable Player
    Well we've had a shite pre-season this year, only won 1 out of 5 matches, 2 draws and 2 defeats.

    Let's hope that they buck their ideas up before we play Leicester on Friday!  :(
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  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 6,408 Valuable Player
    edited August 2018
    I don't think Mourinho is the manager he once was. He rarely smiles and only seems to defend players that he purchased if they are playing shite. Marcus Rashford needs to be in the squad more, but he never purchased him, so I bet he's not a starter. He's a really good prospect, but not when he's sat on the bench..

    I was Right about France winning the World Cup And Germany not doing well. So I'm going to stick money on who will win the Premire League this year and who will be second and third....
  • Hiro_Protag0nistHiro_Protag0nist Posts: 4,791 Valuable Player
    Arrogant, argumentative, whingeing sod who is only concerned with himself.  Yep, he's still those things.

    City
    Liverpool
    Spurs
    Chelsea
    United
    Arsenal
  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 6,408 Valuable Player
    City
    Liverpool
    Manu
    Chelsea
    Spurs
    Arsenal
  • bigmike20vtbigmike20vt Posts: 3,901 Valuable Player
    edited August 2018
    Zenbane said:
    I clicked on this looking for Football, but found Soccer instead.




    lol that  is what happens when you take the name of a game played by most countries in the world and use it for some strange rugby / speedball hybrid   ;)  (i am joking btw)

    btw for those interested and in England, Man united / Leicester city's opening game is on sky 1 so no need for sky sports.



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  • bigmike20vtbigmike20vt Posts: 3,901 Valuable Player
    edited August 2018
    snowdog said:
    Well we've had a shite pre-season this year, only won 1 out of 5 matches, 2 draws and 2 defeats.

    Let's hope that they buck their ideas up before we play Leicester on Friday!  :(
    i believe uniteds defence is all but obliterated at the moment. they have an injury list longer than ............... actually on 2nd thoughts i better not joke.

    but yeah, they have quite a big injury list at the back.

    good result against madrid, painful defeat against Liverpool, but ultimately its all practice games, and not too much to worry about in pre season.....  (though that said i think Liverpool are going to be a real threat for the title this season)

    I wish united had managed to get Bale.  would have really injected some excitement into things imo.
    As for Jose M............... a great manager and anyone who doubts his ability really has not looked at his CV!

    but i am not sure he is the right man for United. (more down to play style than the ability to get results).  I wont lie.. he is who i wanted when Fergie retired. United were in a bad way with an aging team that fergie managed to paper over the cracks... but that man knew how to get the absolute best out of a team and whoever came in was going to have a hard job.

    So he came eventually, and I am beginning to wonder if i was wrong to think he was the right manager for united, but, it is nonsense to doubt the mans ability imo.    honestly tho.... I think Liverpool have got a top top man leading them (and that pains me to admit) a great manager and on top of that seems a decent human being as well.
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  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 6,408 Valuable Player
    I would have given Ryan Giggs a chance to Manage United, but been a new manager he may not have attracted big name players. I bet his playing style would have been attack attack though the way we used to see ManU playing..
  • lukeskywatcherlukeskywatcher Posts: 103 Oculus Start Member
    Zenbane said:
    I clicked on this looking for Football, but found Soccer instead.




    Football - Ball is a spherical object manipulated by the foot.
    Football is not an oblong object primarily manipulated by the hand (+ mostly ad breaks/stats that requires the attention span of an amoeba),  you can call that sport Handobloid.

    Go on the pool :)

  • lukeskywatcherlukeskywatcher Posts: 103 Oculus Start Member

    Go on the pool :)

    blackpool are looking good this year :p


    I'm talking about the mighty Hartlepool obviously ;)

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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,270 Valuable Player
    edited August 2018
    lukeskywatcher said:Football - Ball is a spherical object manipulated by the foot.
    Football is not an oblong object primarily manipulated by the hand (+ mostly ad breaks/stats that requires the attention span of an amoeba),  you can call that sport Handobloid.


    Someone always jumps the shark with the Football vs Soccer references.

    I would argue that Soccer-Football requires the attention span of an amoeba due to its low scoring potential. In fact, a Soccer-Football game even at the World Cup can result in nobody scoring; 0-0 lol

    Whenever someone actually does score in Soccer-Football, articles are written about it:
    https://www.upi.com/Record-number-of-games-without-0-0-draws-at-2018-World-Cup/7541529775097/


    In Rugby Football, the ball is in fact Kicked often. Kicking happens with the foot. The Oblong shape and use of hands is what differentiates from Soccer-Football and Rugby Football. Also the fact that people actually score in Rugby Football.
    B)
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  • KlodsBrikKlodsBrik Posts: 1,187
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    Zenbane said:
    lukeskywatcher said:Football - Ball is a spherical object manipulated by the foot.
    Football is not an oblong object primarily manipulated by the hand (+ mostly ad breaks/stats that requires the attention span of an amoeba),  you can call that sport Handobloid.


    Someone always jumps the shark with the Football vs Soccer references.

    I would argue that Soccer-Football requires the attention span of an amoeba due to its low scoring potential. In fact, a Soccer-Football game even at the World Cup can result in nobody scoring; 0-0 lol

    Whenever someone actually does score in Soccer-Football, articles are written about it:
    https://www.upi.com/Record-number-of-games-without-0-0-draws-at-2018-World-Cup/7541529775097/


    In Rugby Football, the ball is in fact Kicked often. Kicking happens with the foot. The Oblong shape and use of hands is what differentiates from Soccer-Football and Rugby Football. Also the fact that people actually score in Rugby Football.
    B)
      Stamina and  musclestrenght is whats required for highrank soccer.
     Football is way different due to the many breaks.
     
     Try both out, and you will feel it on your own body. :)
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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,270 Valuable Player
    KlodsBrik said:
    Stamina and  musclestrenght is whats required for highrank soccer.
     Football is way different due to the many breaks.
     
     Try both out, and you will feel it on your own body. :)

    Yeah I would never defend the actual sport of American Football vs World Football (what we call soccer). But if we're gonna talk about attention spans of the people watching... then that's a different story lol

    I have played both, mostly in high-school. I concur with your analogy 100%.
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  • bigmike20vtbigmike20vt Posts: 3,901 Valuable Player
    The thing I respect about American football is it is really inclusive. Take that big feller a few years back... The fridge iirc.   Outside of sumo any other sport in the world he word have been laughed off the pitch but he got to presumably be a millionaire pro off it
    As a spectator sport it does nothing for me but as a participation sport it's great. A mate of mine played at a fairly high level back on the day (high level for the UK)
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 6,907 Valuable Player
    Here's my top 5:

    1) United (of course lol)
    2) City
    3) Liverpool
    4) Spurs
    5) Chelsea

    And arse to get relegated lmfao :p :D :D :D
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  • lukeskywatcherlukeskywatcher Posts: 103 Oculus Start Member
    Zenbane said:
    lukeskywatcher said:Football - Ball is a spherical object manipulated by the foot.
    Football is not an oblong object primarily manipulated by the hand (+ mostly ad breaks/stats that requires the attention span of an amoeba),  you can call that sport Handobloid.


    Someone always jumps the shark with the Football vs Soccer references.

    I would argue that Soccer-Football requires the attention span of an amoeba due to its low scoring potential. In fact, a Soccer-Football game even at the World Cup can result in nobody scoring; 0-0 lol

    Whenever someone actually does score in Soccer-Football, articles are written about it:
    https://www.upi.com/Record-number-of-games-without-0-0-draws-at-2018-World-Cup/7541529775097/


    In Rugby Football, the ball is in fact Kicked often. Kicking happens with the foot. The Oblong shape and use of hands is what differentiates from Soccer-Football and Rugby Football. Also the fact that people actually score in Rugby Football.
    B)
    American footie is derived from irish connacht rugby - which was derived from english rugby - which was derived from the real Football (who's the real daddy).

    With 0-0 scores no-ones unhappy, surely all sports should strive not to score then??

    Constant scores is like nicotine addiction, you need regular doses for a tiny hit. When for example my beloved Hartlepool beat Man UTD 1-0 in extra-time replay (after previously drawing 0-0), then you get full brain footie-orgasm that lasts for weeks!! :#


  • bigmike20vtbigmike20vt Posts: 3,901 Valuable Player
    edited August 2018
    The northwest is looking pretty strong. I agree with your top 3 but I think city will take some moving.

    1) city
    2) united
    3) Liverpool
    4) Chelsea
    5) Arse.

    5th was a tossup with spurs but I wanted at least 1 different team in there. I would love to see Everton make progress, they are kind of the "family" team if you like but I fear a tough season for them 
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 6,907 Valuable Player
    Liverpool will do exactly what they've been doing every season for the last 5 years or so. They'll look great, they'll look like a serious title challenger...and the bottle it sometime between March and May.

    We've got plenty of injuries at the start of the season but hopefully we'll be luckier with injuries as the season goes on. We had around half the injuries last season that we have normally, the three years before last we averaged 8 players injured every week. During Van Gaal's first season we had over 180 separate injuries. :o :( :o

    Everyone is expecting City to be as devastating as they were last season but football rarely works that way. it was an exceptional season but that sort of season rarely happens twice in a club's lifetime let alone for two consecutive seasons.
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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,270 Valuable Player
    edited August 2018
    With 0-0 scores no-ones unhappy, surely all sports should strive not to score then??

    I wouldn't say "no one" since it's a common thing for American's to make fun of this type of thing. Granted that just opens up American's to ridicule for our own ridiculousness lol.

    One of my favorite jokes about American Football is something I heard quite recently on the Ozzy Man show. His mate, Mozza, said that American Football players are all geared up as if their about to go off to fight a dragon. That's hilarious!

    But the fact is that American Football is a multi-billion dollar industry. That's billions. With players literally making hundreds of millions of dollars a year... to actually score.

    FIFA is estimated to make around 6 Billion from the World Cup. Which would be the highest they’ve ever made.

    The NFL is at 14 billion in 2017, with estimates reaching over 20 billion over the next 10 years. With American Football bringing in more than twice as much Revenue as Soccer, I'd say that people may very well care about games that have "scoring as a baseline."


    Constant scores is like nicotine addiction

    The act of watching any sport itself on a regular basis is the proverbial nicotine addiction. The scoring in the game is experienced while the person is partaking in the overall addiction. This is why Sports is often accompanied with Gambling (another addiction), and has extended to the combination of Gambling and Sports with Fantasy Football leagues and the like.

    Before a game even starts, the scores are 0-0. No one has to show up to see that. If the game ends at 0-0, then... what really happened? lol

    Every noteworthy type of competition has "scoring" as a baseline. Swimming, Diving, Physical Combat. Heck, even a Spelling Bee Contest has everyone scoring.
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  • lukeskywatcherlukeskywatcher Posts: 103 Oculus Start Member
    Zenbane said:
    With 0-0 scores no-ones unhappy, surely all sports should strive not to score then??

    I wouldn't say "no one" since it's a common thing for American's to make fun of this type of thing. Granted that just opens up American's to ridicule for our own ridiculousness lol.

    One of my favorite jokes about American Football is something I heard quite recently on the Ozzy Man show. His mate, Mozza, said that American Football players are all geared up as if their about to go off to fight a dragon. That's hilarious!

    But the fact is that American Football is a multi-billion dollar industry. That's billions. With players literally making hundreds of millions of dollars a year... to actually score.

    FIFA is estimated to make around 6 Billion from the World Cup. Which would be the highest they’ve ever made.

    The NFL is at 14 billion in 2017, with estimates reaching over 20 billion over the next 10 years. With American Football bringing in more than twice as much Revenue as Soccer, I'd say that people may very well care about games that have "scoring as a baseline."


    Constant scores is like nicotine addiction

    The act of watching any sport itself on a regular basis is the proverbial nicotine addiction. The scoring in the game is experienced while the person is partaking in the overall addiction. This is why Sports is often accompanied with Gambling (another addiction), and has extended to the combination of Gambling and Sports with Fantasy Football leagues and the like.

    Before a game even starts, the scores are 0-0. No one has to show up to see that. If the game ends at 0-0, then... what really happened? lol

    Every noteworthy type of competition has "scoring" as a baseline. Swimming, Diving, Physical Combat. Heck, even a Spelling Bee Contest has everyone scoring.
    My tongue well embedded in my cheeks:)

    In Ireland we have the best football, Gaelic football - no nonsense, no cry-babies, still amateur, community based and the guys are as fit as paid premier players. The money earned mostly goes back into their communities.




  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,270 Valuable Player
    My tongue well embedded in my cheeks:)

    In Ireland we have the best football, Gaelic football - no nonsense, no cry-babies, still amateur, community based and the guys are as fit as paid premier players. The money earned mostly goes back into their communities.

    Well received, buddy. I would never question the talent behind any of those athletes. I don't really watch American Football anymore. I did back in highschool, but that's back when I had an interest in playing it.

    I'm more of an American Basketball fan. I love the NBA. But those are high-scoring games (70-100 points on average).

    I do have a love of all sports. And I certainly take my hat off to true talented athletes.

    But when you say "no nonsense, no cry-babies," are you sure about that?



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  • lukeskywatcherlukeskywatcher Posts: 103 Oculus Start Member
    lol got to use that phrase now "f**k me dead!", pure classic :D
    You should check out when Ireland plays the aussies annually in mixed aussie/gaelic football. No body armour either!


  • bigmike20vtbigmike20vt Posts: 3,901 Valuable Player
    Zenbane said:
    With 0-0 scores no-ones unhappy, surely all sports should strive not to score then??

    I wouldn't say "no one" since it's a common thing for American's to make fun of this type of thing. Granted that just opens up American's to ridicule for our own ridiculousness lol.

    One of my favorite jokes about American Football is something I heard quite recently on the Ozzy Man show. His mate, Mozza, said that American Football players are all geared up as if their about to go off to fight a dragon. That's hilarious!

    But the fact is that American Football is a multi-billion dollar industry. That's billions. With players literally making hundreds of millions of dollars a year... to actually score.

    FIFA is estimated to make around 6 Billion from the World Cup. Which would be the highest they’ve ever made.

    The NFL is at 14 billion in 2017, with estimates reaching over 20 billion over the next 10 years. With American Football bringing in more than twice as much Revenue as Soccer, I'd say that people may very well care about games that have "scoring as a baseline."


    Constant scores is like nicotine addiction

    The act of watching any sport itself on a regular basis is the proverbial nicotine addiction. The scoring in the game is experienced while the person is partaking in the overall addiction. This is why Sports is often accompanied with Gambling (another addiction), and has extended to the combination of Gambling and Sports with Fantasy Football leagues and the like.

    Before a game even starts, the scores are 0-0. No one has to show up to see that. If the game ends at 0-0, then... what really happened? lol

    Every noteworthy type of competition has "scoring" as a baseline. Swimming, Diving, Physical Combat. Heck, even a Spelling Bee Contest has everyone scoring.
    You know I agree with you on some things... But are you really saying you think American football  is bigger on the world wide stage than "soccer"?. The world cup may not make that much money but that is but 1 competition. The premier league brings in billions, and that is just our tiny little island. Soccer is huge... It's just not as big in the states.

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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,270 Valuable Player
    edited August 2018
    You know I agree with you on some things... But are you really saying you think American football  is bigger on the world wide stage than "soccer"?. The world cup may not make that much money but that is but 1 competition. The premier league brings in billions, and that is just our tiny little island. Soccer is huge... It's just not as big in the states.


    Come on buddy, did I say anything about the world wide stage as it pertains to American Football popularity? American football is American. World Soccer is World. I am using the proper terms to depict boundaries lol

    I'm not even defending the use of the word "Football" for the American version. I agree that Football makes more sense for what we call Soccer over here.

    If you read what I'm saying, I'm simply presenting some facts around the idea that there very much is a market for games that have a "high-scoring" framework. The market for high-scoring leagues is higher in dollar value than those without. It doesn't mean one thing is better than the other, it just means that there is substantial interest in it.
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  • bigmike20vtbigmike20vt Posts: 3,901 Valuable Player
    Ah ok I genuinely thought would were talking about biggest overall. I totally accept it is America's biggest sport.
    Last I looked (and it could have changed) soccer players and some boxers on the top stage were payed more than American footballers.
    That said it's a discussing amount  of cash and is far too high (not that I blame the players for that). Football (soccer) is actually on the verge I think of imploding on itself the money is just out of hand. It is slightly better at grass roots level but still no longer the affordable hobby for the average blue collar working man and his kids. But I digress
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  • bigmike20vtbigmike20vt Posts: 3,901 Valuable Player
    (to each their own btw. American football is just too much downtime and goes on too long for me. I get bored. Icehockey is the sport I think I would follow if I lived in the states or Canada)
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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,270 Valuable Player
    I prefer Basketball anyway! lol
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