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Would a bigger television get me back into Pancake gaming?

RedRizla
Honored Visionary
I really like VR, but the lack of AAA games is making me feel I also need to get back into pancake gaming. I currently have a 42" television and I'm just wondering if I get a 55" or 65" television, if this will get me more immersed in a game like VR does? Since VR came along I've struggled to get back into 2D gaming and there's some really good pancake games that will never come to VR.

So do you think a lager screen would get me more immersed in a game or not?
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Anonymous
Not applicable
Bloody hell, a telly that size wouldn't fit in my flat lol 😮 😄 😄 😄

RuneSR2
Grand Champion

snowdog said:

Bloody hell, a telly that size wouldn't fit in my flat lol 😮 😄 😄 😄



I have loudspeakers in both corners, unless I get rid of those, this is the biggest TV I can fit in that part of the living room  😄 

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RuneSR2
Grand Champion
I'm feeling quite excited today - the TV is on a truck and arrives later today (the package weight is 141 lbs or 64 kg,  so I prefer to let the pros handle it), and it's snowing outside - my thoughtful wife ordered me to clear the landing strip before the truck arrives  😕  🙂

Hmmm, you can talk to the remote control - gotta feel kinda weird the first times - then again, this video does provide some great ideas/inspiration:

https://youtu.be/zJNyBSGn-Q8

Now the real reason behind this post - I read that XBox One X is loud when watching 4K Ultra HD movies on disc due to the high rotation speed. Has anyone in here experienced watching such movies on the XBox One X? (I really like a player to be silent when watching movies)

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RuneSR2
Grand Champion
Somehow I think the OP is responsible for getting me in this awkward situation  😉 - Seems like hard work unpacking this thing  🙂 

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Digikid1
Consultant
Well if you're having second thoughts I will send you my address and you can ship it free of charge to my place. 😛

Anonymous
Not applicable
Fucking hell, that thing is HUUUUUUUGE lol 😮 😄 😄 😄

Zenbane
MVP
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RuneSR2 said:
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... and just like THAT, all of your Super Sampling posts suddenly make perfect sense.

Well played, good sir.

RuneSR2
Grand Champion

Zenbane said:


RuneSR2 said:
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... and just like THAT, all of your Super Sampling posts suddenly make perfect sense.

Well played, good sir.



I know I should have waited for 8K  😞 Actually this was more for the wife and kids, in VR I've got a 600" screen or better  B) 

But it kinda looks cool - reminds me slightly of the monolith in 2001, although placed horizontally  😉

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The screen has a special gaming mode = 30 ms input lag, but my plasma in the gaming room is just 16 ms, so not much improved there... Too tired to test the screen today (and fix the cable clutter), still need to finish a few levels in Transpose using super sampling 2.0 o:)

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RuneSR2
Grand Champion
My new Black Mirror has bewitched me  :# I've started to watch Netflix and movies again, even to the point where it's reducing my time in VR  :s 

First of all the 85" has a completely different panel (=VA Direct LED) than 75" or smaller TVs in the Sony XF85 series (=IPS Edge-LED):

https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/comparison/0b5b69831

In fact my 85" has the exact same VA panel as found in the more expensive Sony X900F series:

https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/comparison/059659200

For these TVs, VA panels have better contrast and better response times than IPS panels (IPS has slightly better viewing angles and may have better colors). So this may explain why I'm quite happy for the black levels on the 85", even though it's not OLED. And colors are amazing.
The ultimate test was watching Alien one night. I turned off all lamps in the living room and the blacks were awesome - again not quite OLED blacks, but normal (non-enthusiast) persons would probably never be aware of the difference, like my dear wife 😉

Fun thing, for many years I've been thinking that I've seen the Alien movie - but now I question that. I've not gotten a true 4K/UHD player yet, but I do have the Philips 9700 Fidelio - it has 4K upscaling support even using the integrated Marvell QDeo video chip - which basically is a computer chip greatly enhancing the image quality.

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I used that setup to watch Alien = 4K upscaled QDeo processed image quality (from original blu-ray discs, no streaming). I can't believe that Alien ever looked more impressive in cinemas in 1979. Especially due to the 120 Hz motion flow and further detail enhancements on the Bravia 85". The movie simply looked real - also meaning that it's easy to see the plastic models used in the movie 😮  I guess it was like seeing the Hobbit in 48 fps non-3D. Again the added (computer generated) frames made movements appear very life life - so I don't miss 3D that much (which was my greatest worry with this TV, still have a 3D Plasma TV in the man cave, though). It'll probably still give me some headache when having to chose between 3D or 4K HDR when this movie is available on disc:

https://youtu.be/g4Hbz2jLxvQ

I also watched the Bird Box 1080p on Netflix (Netflix wanted me to upgrade to 4K streaming, but my internet connection (provided by my employer) is too slow). I've never - ever - seen such detail in a full HD signal (Sandra Bullock's skin and lips appear like she was a few inches away, you could truly see even the most minor and subtle details). The quality was so amazing I find it hard to believe that a true 4K signal can improve the quality significantly more?

This review did cause me some worries:

https://youtu.be/3KJKWzvhPXc

But gaming should be true 4K, not upscaled 1080p, using the right hardware. So I was again thinking of getting the XBox One X, but most 4K games are just 30 fps  :# Even Ashen, which is the XBox game I'd like to try the most, is just 30 fps, even in 1080p. This is probably because the XBox One X doesn't have much more cpu power than the XBox One S, thereby creating a bottleneck for high-poly games like Ashen. In fact there're quite few interesting 4K 60 fps games:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_One_X_enhanced_games

I'd love to try this game in 4K 60 fps though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhZ3xiCNK28

In short - I'm not sure the XBox One X has enough power to really support 4K gaming, possibly the only way to secure 4K gaming is to use PC a with GTX 1080 or better. If I'm truly going to play pancake games in 4K, this game would be a favorite: 

https://youtu.be/fgPRE5pak6k

But I'm truly worried that Rage 2 won't be able to deliver 4K 60 fps on the XBox One X (60 fps is the target on the XBox One X, probably only in 1080p). I'm not going to move my VR rig from the basement to the living room though, I consider 4K HDR 60 fps 2D gaming a gimmick = something fun to try for a short time and for the kids, but no competitor for VR gaming. Note that 4K gaming is possible with a PS4 controller using the 85" TV through the Google Play Store, but limited to simple 2D games (I think the TV has 16GB storage):

https://www.sony.net/Products/tv/made_for_gaming/en-gb/#p02

In short, a new big TV is simply awesome for watching TV and movies, and I'm not sure a 4K player is really needed. True 4K (HDR) gaming in 60 fps will probably require a PC, not a console. I'm kinda thinking to leave everything as it is and wait for the PlayStation 5 next year - that could be an awesome 4K allround solution, hopefully (and a way to get VR into the living room B) )...

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RedRizla
Honored Visionary
@RuneSR2 - I heared HDR is difficult to setup on Windows 10 PC. You are probably best waiting for PlayStation 5, so you don't have to mess around trying to get HDR using a PC. The PlayStation 5 is also supposed to do 4K 60FPS from what I've read so far..