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Shadow Legend - reviews and impressions - better than Skyrim VR?

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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 3,900 Valuable Player
    edited March 15
    Re the title of this thread, comparing this game, excellent as it may be, to Skyrim VR is like comparing a short poem to War and Peace. What a silly comparison. 

    But the title caught your attention and now you're here - maybe you even considered supporting the Shadow Legend developers and bought the game?  ;)

    Maybe I should consider a new title, like:

    "Shadow Legend - reviews and impressions - better than Skyrim VR comparing unmodded graphics, Touch control implementation, unmodded sound quality, fighting mechanics and weapons - but of course not comparing the story and playtime for it goes without saying that a VR port of the old gigantic Skyrim pancake game originally released in 2011 will include much more playtime than a total of 2 Vitruvius VR developers from London (Ontario, Canada) can compete with"

     B)  
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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,612 Valuable Player
    edited March 15
    It's nice to get differing opinions of the game though. I have in the past got caught up in one persons fervor and ended up just being disappointed.  


    I have yet to read a differing opinion of the game. I just see a few people bothered about this being compared with Skyrim. And they've let that tarnish their ability to make an objective assessment.

    And if you end up disappointed about a product, you can always refund.
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  • cybernettrcybernettr Posts: 933
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    Zenbane said:

    Wrong. Morrowind is "War and Peace." Skyrim plagiarizes Morrowind's cliff notes. Skyrim VR is a Skyrim re-write as a pop-up book.

    It’s true that Skyrim benefits from the vast lore of the entire ElderScrolls series. However, I would point out that Morrowind is not in VR. 
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,612 Valuable Player
    edited March 15
    It’s true that Skyrim benefits from the vast lore of the entire ElderScrolls series. However, I would point out that Morrowind is not in VR. 

    You do love being wrong about all the things. Morrowind is alive and well in VR, and it was in VR long before Skyrim:

    I'll also add that as far as I'm concerned... Skyrim is not in VR Either. As I said in my review,
    SkyrimVR: Bringing the Player to Tamriel, but not Tamriel to VR
    https://forums.oculusvr.com/community/discussion/65596/skyrimvr-bringing-the-player-to-tamriel-but-not-tamriel-to-vr

    I can't interact with objects with my hands in any proper way in SkyrimVR. It's just a port of a pancake game, not a true VR game as far as I'm concerned. But that's just me.
    ;)

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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 3,900 Valuable Player
    Zenbane said:

    I can't interact with objects with my hands in any proper way in SkyrimVR. It's just a port of a pancake game, not a true VR game as far as I'm concerned. But that's just me.
    ;)


    It's definitely not just you. As much as I love the level of detail in Skyrim VR - the breathing world (more or less) and the massive scale of quests and content - it lacks proper VR controls (as a left-handed I can't even dissociate weapon hand from movement/locomotion hand). For now I still lack time time to do the job that the devs should have done for a game released in 2018 - like making 1) proper textures, 2) proper high-poly models, 3) improve sound quality etc. . 

    The question may be rather simple - how many would enjoy Skyrim VR if you were unable to mod the game?

    Another thing - it seems that Shadow Legend was made by just two persons - Blake and Colton. Thus maybe less people worked on Shadow Legend than Doom in 1993... In that perspective Shadow Legend may show off some truly awesome talent, and I love to support such talent - with a bigger team these devs could make many of my VR dreams come true, maybe  :D
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  • nroskonrosko Posts: 954
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    RuneSR2 said:
    Zenbane said:

    I can't interact with objects with my hands in any proper way in SkyrimVR. It's just a port of a pancake game, not a true VR game as far as I'm concerned. But that's just me.
    ;)


    It's definitely not just you. As much as I love the level of detail in Skyrim VR - the breathing world (more or less) and the massive scale of quests and content - it lacks proper VR controls (as a left-handed I can't even dissociate weapon hand from movement/locomotion hand). For now I still lack time time to do the job that the devs should have done for a game released in 2018 - like making 1) proper textures, 2) proper high-poly models, 3) improve sound quality etc. . 

    The question may be rather simple - how many would enjoy Skyrim VR if you were unable to mod the game?

    Another thing - it seems that Shadow Legend was made by just two persons - Blake and Colton. Thus maybe less people worked on Shadow Legend than Doom in 1993... In that perspective Shadow Legend may show off some truly awesome talent, and I love to support such talent - with a bigger team these devs could make many of my VR dreams come true, maybe  :D
    Skyrim does require time to invest in modding & i certainly wouldn't rate it without mods, but of course it does have them. I would rather not have to though it's just that VR lacks these bigger single player games. Thing is i value the art, atmosphere, characters & story highly in a game, pancake or VR & this is something that a smaller team will not be able to invest in in anywhere near the same scale as a true AAA game. Feeding a horse a carrot just isn't as high up on the list for me. Moss for example i rate higher than this game for that very reason interaction is minimal but those other elements are strong.
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,612 Valuable Player
    nrosko said:
    Skyrim does require time to invest in modding & i certainly wouldn't rate it without mods, but of course it does have them. I would rather not have to though it's just that VR lacks these bigger single player games. Thing is i value the art, atmosphere, characters & story highly in a game, pancake or VR & this is something that a smaller team will not be able to invest in in anywhere near the same scale as a true AAA game. Feeding a horse a carrot just isn't as high up on the list for me. Moss for example i rate higher than this game for that very reason interaction is minimal but those other elements are strong.

    You're cherry picking the single side feature of feeding a carrot in order to make an otherwise completely irrelevant point. As for you valuing art... no way; you're the same guy who refunded Pixel Ripped because you thought it was an old game with bad graphics. You don't really seem to value art, you just gravitate towards cookie cutter AAA experiences and have no real appreciation for true art.

    Skyrim is an exercise in mass repetition. People exaggerate how fun it is to look at mountains and flowers.
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  • LuciferousLuciferous Posts: 2,192 Valuable Player
    edited March 16

    I am getting sense of Deja Vous.

    First you tried to throw cold water on every-bodies enjoyment in the Skyrim VR thread, then you bought it and said.

    Zenbane : 'But overall yes, SkyrimVR is fantastic. I enjoyed it for 1 hour straight and that's WITHOUT Modding it yet. It will only get better from here!'

    I am not really cutting out anything as the important bit is you are exactly right, it is fantastic overall and the whole makes up for some of it's shoddy parts. After this you continued to give good reports built your character and by all appearances was having a good time.

    Now we are back to square one. Hence why it's nice to get other reviews when it comes to Skyrim comparisons.

    By the way you aggressively try to shout down anybody with something good to say about it, I am pretty sure Skyrim slept with Morrowind behind your back at some point and you are still sore about it. :)

    Skyrim VR in a lot of peoples eyes in nothing short of incredible. A lot of us here have put tens, hundreds of hours into it.
    if you are trying to convince us that all those hours we have played it we were not enjoying it, you have a futile battle on your hands.

  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,612 Valuable Player
    edited March 16

    I am getting sense of Deja Vous.

    First you tried to throw cold water on every-bodies enjoyment in the Skyrim VR thread, then you bought it and said.
    Zenbane : 'But overall yes, SkyrimVR is fantastic. I enjoyed it for 1 hour straight and that's WITHOUT Modding it yet. It will only get better from here!'

    I am not really cutting out anything as the important bit is you are exactly right, it is fantastic overall and the whole makes up for some of it's shoddy parts.
    Yep, and then I abandoned SkyrimVR fairly quickly once the VR luster wore off and I was back to feeling the monotonous repetition of "clearing dungeons" and playing carrier pigeon to quests. Did you have a point though?

    By the way you aggressively try to shout down anybody with something good to say about it, I am pretty sure Skyrim slept with Morrowind behind your back at some point and you are still sore about it.

    It's a bit strange how you went straight to shady sex acts with your reply, and in a creepily familiar way.

    Regardless, I think a key difference is that I put time in to both Vanilla Skyrim and SkyrimVR before giving my opinion. In contrast, you're in this thread without giving any actual first-hand observations of Shadow Legend. So far all you have done is cheer lead anyone who has anything negative to say; all with the intention of defending Skyrim's honor.


    Skyrim VR in a lot of peoples eyes in nothing short of incredible. A lot of us here have put tens, hundreds of hours into it. if you are trying to convince us that all those hours we have played it we were not enjoying it, you have a futile battle on your hands.


    You seem lost in the conversation. Read the first post and try again. This isn't about trying to convince anyone to feel any different about Skyrim. This is about a compare/contrast between two VR RPG's. Being able to grab weapons with your hands, properly have melee battles, and experience true Depth Perception are just some of the things that Shadow Legend does better than SkyrimVR, when comparing two different VR RPG's.

    Sorry if the first-hand experience from those who played Shadow Legend infringes upon your SkyrimVR White Knighting. My opinion remains consistent if you read my entire SkyrimVR review.

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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,612 Valuable Player
    And for anyone butthurt about the comparison between Shadow Legend and SkyrimVR, it isn't just members of this community that note the differences.

    What is Shadow Legend VR?

    A single player VR RPG. Think Skyrim but built for VR

    Definitely a step up from Skyrim VR mechanics but not as heavy weighted as something like Blade and Sorcery. Good balance imo.

    Doesn't have as good combat as Blade and Sorcery, but it is definitely far better than skyrim's combat.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/atid1k/shadow_legend_vr_rpg_first_hour_of_gameplay_text/


    Skyrim VR is great, and popular, but the VR elements of it are underdeveloped and the game controls rather awkwardly. What's needed is a roleplaying game designed for VR from the ground up, and right from the get-go. With Shadow Legend, you can tell the game is taking full advantage of the medium.

    https://www.androidpit.com/shadow-legend-vr-rpg-review

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  • LuciferousLuciferous Posts: 2,192 Valuable Player
    edited March 16

    yes, yes. If you could take it easy on new forum members as well, instead of launching into aggressive rants it would also be appreciated. 

    I am interested in the game because of Skyrim (it is my favorite genre) and wanted an unbiased view, Alextended made some good points.   
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,612 Valuable Player

    yes, yes. If you could take it easy on new forum members as well, instead of launching into aggressive rants it would also be appreciated.
    Aggressive rants seems like quite the hyperbolic statement. I mean... if you want to see me have an aggressive rant then check out my 2016 posts! I'm quite the carebear these days.

    I am interested in the game and wanted an unbiased view, Alextended made some good points.  

    Alextended was more interesting in trying to counter-argue the "hype" he feels people are giving to Shadow Legend. His points were biased and half-hearted; and didn't address the actual functionality inside the game itself. It probably seemed like a good point to you because you haven't played it yet - and you are already bothered due to your natural favoritism towards Skyrim.

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  • LuciferousLuciferous Posts: 2,192 Valuable Player
    edited March 16
    Yes I read most of your 2016 posts :) As you know I complimented you the other day, as you add an enormous amount of content and effort into this forum.

    I like Skyrim, why I am interested in this game in the first place. You clearly hate it with venom. So if I am to make a decision on buying it, it is good to hear somebodies opinion who also likes Skyrim.

    There is no right or wrong opinion just taste and perspective.

    In retrospect I should have kept adulterous video games having sex out of the conversation.




  • pyroth309pyroth309 Posts: 1,576 Valuable Player
    As someone who loves Skyrim VR....without Mods it would be pretty crap as a VR game. I had to mod the combat to make it fun. Heavily modded it's still the best looking VR game I've played so far though. 
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,612 Valuable Player
    edited March 16
    I like Skyrim, why I am interested in this game in the first place. You clearly hate it with venom. So if I am to make a decision on buying it, it is good to hear somebodies opinion who also likes Skyrim.

    I very much try to make it clear that my view of Skyrim is based on the fact that I loved Morrowind first, with over 1,000 hours in to it. And I felt that Skyrim took the best parts of Morrowind and turned them in to a Poopoo Platter, buffet style.

    My view of Skyrim is purely personal and I in no way judge others for liking it. When I have a bias, I do my best to make that bias known so that others can happily and freely toss my opinion in the trash. I'm not always biased, but when I am... I wear it like a badge of honor.

    That being said, if you read my post in this thread, I list very specifically what Shadow Legend does better than SkyrimVR:

    Things this does better than Skyrim:
    • This doesn't feel like a Port. It feels like a made-for-VR RPG.
    • The melee combat is not only superior to Skyrim, but one of the best sword fighting experiences I've encountered to-date. The sword fighting system is top notch.
    • You can actually craft! In Skyrim VR, the player is in 3rd person view during all crafting. In Shadow Legend, you have to manually heat coal's and then press them to make an iron ingot. There are other fun crafting experiences as well.
    • True hand interactions. I can grab weapons and other trinkets with my hands. No more spamming an action button to have things magically blink in to my grip.
    • NPC interaction. I LOVE using the Voice Commands. For the first time in my life... I'm talking to NPC's and their talking back. RPG geekdom is fully activated.

    I kept my comparison pleasant and from an objective viewpoint with observable facts. I didn't trash Skyrim at all.

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  • LuciferousLuciferous Posts: 2,192 Valuable Player
    As always I value your input sir if not always the delivery.
  • nroskonrosko Posts: 954
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    Zenbane said:
    nrosko said:
    Skyrim does require time to invest in modding & i certainly wouldn't rate it without mods, but of course it does have them. I would rather not have to though it's just that VR lacks these bigger single player games. Thing is i value the art, atmosphere, characters & story highly in a game, pancake or VR & this is something that a smaller team will not be able to invest in in anywhere near the same scale as a true AAA game. Feeding a horse a carrot just isn't as high up on the list for me. Moss for example i rate higher than this game for that very reason interaction is minimal but those other elements are strong.

    You're cherry picking the single side feature of feeding a carrot in order to make an otherwise completely irrelevant point. As for you valuing art... no way; you're the same guy who refunded Pixel Ripped because you thought it was an old game with bad graphics. You don't really seem to value art, you just gravitate towards cookie cutter AAA experiences and have no real appreciation for true art.

    Skyrim is an exercise in mass repetition. People exaggerate how fun it is to look at mountains and flowers.
    Replace carrot feeding with any of the interactions in the game, the point is the same it didn't make it a better game than Skyrim VR for me. 
    Pixel ripped was refunded because it was not fun to play, there was not much i liked about it at all & no point to continue to play it.
    Good to see you are back to your usual obnoxious self btw.   
     
  • saami81saami81 Posts: 164
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    Lots of (s)word fighting in here. :)

    Why it has to be either this or that? Same thing can be seeing in driving simulators. You are allowed to only like one driving sim. All others are utter carbage.
  • PhoenixSpyderPhoenixSpyder Posts: 227
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    The reason I play a game like heavily modded SkyrimVR is for my needed visual (fix). Ever since I was a kid (long time ago) I always was attracted to computer graphics and what could be done with it. That being said (my modded version of) SkyrimVR totally fills my need in that aspect, due to the fact that I have made it my own (visually).  I definitely don't play it for the VR control (or lack there of). And if I was bothered by the VR control I definitely wouldn't have put the amount of hours into it that I have.

    A game like SL, while being visually great, is more a step in the right direction of making VR more user controlled friendly. This where others may be more interested in the control side of VR.

    We all need to remember that Virtual Reality is a created area of space that doesn't exist outside of that. That world consists of many things...control, visual, immersion and other things. All of us have differing expectations of what needs to be most important. That being said, we are just beginning to scratch the surface of the possibilities as the tech advances, and there will always be new ways of achieving the said areas.

    So, now that we have multiple products that give us visual in one aspect and better control in another, we are on a shorter road to having a future product with the vastness of Skyrim and the control of SL, combined with the visuals that we already enjoy now (for the most part). Hopefully that road will lead us to something we all want, sooner than we expect it to be. It just takes a group of people to have the time and resources to deliver on that.
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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,612 Valuable Player
    nrosko said:
    Replace carrot feeding with any of the interactions in the game, the point is the same it didn't make it a better game than Skyrim VR for me.  

    We can compare carrot feeding to dungeon clearing in SkyrimVR, and they can be the same game practically lol

    Besides, this thread is about comparing the two and finding out what one does better than the other. There's a lot that Shadow Legend does better than SkyrimVR, and people outside this forum have noticed it as well. I already provided examples of those sources. There is nothing you have presented to counter that.

    You did the same thing when someone started the Pixel Ripped thread:

    Anytime someone enjoys a game that is outside of your comfort zone, you take it as a personal slight. I think opposing views are beneficial when those views are actually constructive. But your views on rarely constructive.


    Pixel ripped was refunded because it was not fun to play, there was not much i liked about it at all & no point to continue to play it.

    nah, you specifically said that "it has terrible vr implementation."
    https://forums.oculusvr.com/community/discussion/comment/630478/#Comment_630478

    Which is a comment I'm pretty sure you simply made up at the time for the sake of arguing; because if you actually cared about VR Implementation then you'd know that Shadow Legend beats SkyrimVR hands down in terms of VR Implementation. Just as was pointed out in the review article and on reddit.


    Good to see you are back to your usual obnoxious self btw.  

    Pot/Kettle

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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,612 Valuable Player
    edited March 16
    saami81 said:
    Why it has to be either this or that?

    I don't think anyone is suggesting that someone only buy one or the other; the two products are simply being compared.

    I mean, even I bought and own two copies of Skyrim lol. Because that's what Skyrim does... re-invent itself at full retail price.
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  • nroskonrosko Posts: 954
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    Zenbane said:
    nrosko said:
    Replace carrot feeding with any of the interactions in the game, the point is the same it didn't make it a better game than Skyrim VR for me.  

    We can compare carrot feeding to dungeon clearing in SkyrimVR, and they can be the same game practically lol

    Besides, this thread is about comparing the two and finding out what one does better than the other. There's a lot that Shadow Legend does better than SkyrimVR, and people outside this forum have noticed it as well. I already provided examples of those sources. There is nothing you have presented to counter that.

    You did the same thing when someone started the Pixel Ripped thread:

    Anytime someone enjoys a game that is outside of your comfort zone, you take it as a personal slight. I think opposing views are beneficial when those views are actually constructive. But your views on rarely constructive.


    Pixel ripped was refunded because it was not fun to play, there was not much i liked about it at all & no point to continue to play it.

    nah, you specifically said that "it has terrible vr implementation."
    https://forums.oculusvr.com/community/discussion/comment/630478/#Comment_630478

    Which is a comment I'm pretty sure you simply made up at the time for the sake of arguing; because if you actually cared about VR Implementation then you'd know that Shadow Legend beats SkyrimVR hands down in terms of VR Implementation. Just as was pointed out in the review article and on reddit.


    Good to see you are back to your usual obnoxious self btw.  

    Pot/Kettle

    It did have terrible vr implementation because the gamepad kept disappearing when i moved my head which was one reason it wasn't fun & i have never said at any point that Shadow Legend did not have better vr implementation than SkyrimVR so not entirely sure what your point is here. This is even pointed out in my own review. 
    "The game mechanics are good, has all the right options.
    Interaction is very good, some of it is gimmicky or i should say doesn't add a huge amount to the game play but some things really did work well like bidding in the shop. 
    Graphics are a mixed bag, the character models, animals & weapons are poor imo but the environment was mostly well made.  
    I found the art style a bit generic & lacking its own identity, although this is an issue with alot of vr titles. 
    Gameplay is basic & felt more dungeon crawler than rpg it was also really easy. Its short but if i'm honest i couldn't see myself playing it for a long time anyway. 
    I didn't really gel with the melee, i felt sorry for the baddies that they had to make it so obvious where they was hitting me. 
    A good game if comparing to recent vr titles but i think there will certainly be better this year.
     In this thread I said for me it didn't make it a better game than Skyrim because i value the things its does better. 
    I find your behaviour odd tbh as to why those things clearly upset you so much. 


  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,612 Valuable Player
    edited March 16
    nrosko said:
    It did have terrible vr implementation because the gamepad kept disappearing when i moved my head


    That was a bug unique to you. This is nothing I experienced after playing the game to completion; nor did I ever read any reports of this.

    As for your review, I do find it to be on the same level as other reviews you've given; highly inaccurate and lacking in substance. I mean... to claim that SL's graphics and characters are "poor" is just absurd; especially compared to some of those dragons in Skyrim which I described as looking like a paper mache following a string. The dragons in Crystal Rift and Chronos were far more immersive and had a stronger sense of presence.

    The fact is that you and I have a long history arguing over game reviews, and each time I call you out for the obvious: if a game is not of AAA caliber by a AAA studio yet it is STILL receiving high praises on reviews, you seem to feel insulted and compelled to remedy the situation lol. Yet the content of your writeups are plagued with inconsistencies and generalizations.

    That's why I like to reference our debate of The Forest VR. At release it was a huge epic fail and it was criticized literally everywhere (Steam, reddit, Facebook, YouTube, etc) but because The Forest is originally a pancake game that received high praises and meets your AAA requirements, the fact that the VR Port was horrifying became irrelevant in your eyes. You were overly and excessively forgiving and granted it pure adoration.

    I find your behaviour odd tbh as to why those things clearly upset you so much.

    I think you are confusing fervor with anger. So far you are the only one who seems angry considering you have already resorted to namecalling when you said this, "your usual obnoxious self." You do have a history of getting emotional when debating game reviews with me though. I sense some ALL CAPS incoming soon!

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  • nroskonrosko Posts: 954
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    Zenbane said:
    nrosko said:
    It did have terrible vr implementation because the gamepad kept disappearing when i moved my head


    That was a bug unique to you. This is nothing I experienced after playing the game to completion; nor did I ever read any reports of this.

    As for your review, I do find it to be on the same level as other reviews you've given; highly inaccurate and lacking in substance. I mean... to claim that SL's graphics and characters are "poor" is just absurd; especially compared to some of those dragons in Skyrim which I described as looking like a paper mache following a string. The dragons in Crystal Rift and Chronos were far more immersive and had a stronger sense of presence.

    The fact is that you and I have a long history arguing over game reviews, and each time I call you out for the obvious: if a game is not of AAA caliber by a AAA studio yet it is STILL receiving high praises on reviews, you seem to feel insulted and compelled to remedy the situation lol. Yet the content of your writeups are plagued with inconsistencies and generalizations.

    That's why I like to reference our debate of The Forest VR. At release it was a huge epic fail and it was criticized literally everywhere (Steam, reddit, Facebook, YouTube, etc) but because The Forest is originally a pancake game that received high praises and meets your AAA requirements, the fact that the VR Port was horrifying became irrelevant in your eyes. You were overly and excessively forgiving and granted it pure adoration.

    I find your behaviour odd tbh as to why those things clearly upset you so much.

    I think you are confusing fervor with anger. So far you are the only one who seems angry considering you have already resorted to namecalling when you said this, "your usual obnoxious self." You do have a history of getting emotional when debating game reviews with me though. I sense some ALL CAPS incoming soon!


    1.Any review or opinion about a game is my own that does not need to be justified to you, the fact that you dream up such lies & fantasy about me is most certainly weird (although completely normal for you it seems). I couldn't care less if you think SL has better graphics & characters thats why you get to do your own review Zenbane. 
    2.You have a long history of arguing with many people in here normally in similar fashion.
    Show me where i'm insulted by others reviews on here? it was actually you that was insulted by my score as you decided to LOL at my 7 score https://forums.oculusvr.com/community/discussion/73722/shadow-legend-reviews-and-impressions-better-than-skyrim-vr/p2 
    3.You are obsessed by The Forest VR Zenbane not me a game if i recall you never actually played yet seem to have very strong opinions about, i drop in & out of it now & again as its a wip but i doubt its even in my top 50 vr titles. 
    4.Obnoxious is a description of your behaviour, as is 'odd' & 'weird'. It seems everyone else on here is far less emotionally invested than you are to Oculus & are able to have a normal discussion without trying to defame other members who hold different opinions.     

  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,612 Valuable Player
    nrosko said:
    1.Any review or opinion about a game is my own that does not need to be justified to you
    Just as you have commented on the reviews others make, I also comment on your reviews. It works both ways; which seems to bother you.

    the fact that you dream up such lies & fantasy about me is most certainly weird

    That's a creepily emotional response.


    You have a long history of arguing with many people in here normally in similar fashion.

    I have a longer history of enjoying conversations with like-minded individuals.


    Show me where i'm insulted by others reviews on here? it was actually you that was insulted by my score as you decided to LOL

    You were the first to get emotional and resort to name-calling. You're still typing emotional responses instead of sticking to the facts, which is very common for you.


    You are obsessed by The Forest VR Zenbane not me a game if i recall you never actually played yet seem to have very strong opinions about, i drop in & out of it now & again as its a wip but i doubt its even in my top 50 vr titles.
    Having a good memory is not an obsession. I remember how you didn't care about "VR implementation" with that game, and then you proceed to jump in to other threads to criticize titles in ways that contradict the excuses you made for The Forest. You tried to derail the Pixel Ripped thread, and you are trying to do the same thing here. When I returned the favor in your Forest VR thread, you went absolutely ballistic!
    You seem obsessed with ridiculing games others enjoy yet you get overly emotional if someone ridicules a game you enjoy.

    Obnoxious is a description of your behaviour, as is 'odd' & 'weird'. It seems everyone else on here is far less emotionally invested than you are to Oculus & are able to have a normal discussion without trying to defame other members who hold different opinions.   

    Shadow Legend was not developed by Oculus, nor is it exclusive to the Oculus store. You have a strange obsession with tying me directly to Oculus. You can't seem to have a normal discussion without getting personal and emotional.

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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 3,900 Valuable Player
    edited March 17
    Zenbane said:
    then I abandoned SkyrimVR fairly quickly once the VR luster wore off and I was back to feeling the monotonous repetition of "clearing dungeons" and playing carrier pigeon to quests. 

    I think that's more or less where I am now - and Skyrim VR is too big for me, with family and kids I have limited time in VR. Smaller games work better in that regard, I prefer to be able to experience many different games (and support the devs) instead  of letting one gigantic game consume all of my time in VR, which easily could be the case first having to find and install 400+ mods and then play 100+ hours of Skyrim VR. 

    I may stand corrected when I get my RTX 4080 in 2024 and finally can get 90 fps with all the bells and whistles enabled :D  





    So beware - don't eat your gigantic Skyrim VR cake just yet - because then you know all the quests and may not want to replay the game when Skyrim UltraRealistic VR becomes perfectly playable  B) 

    But do enjoy Shadow Legend right now - that game may not at all be better in 2024  ;)

    Fun observation - maybe - my completely unmodded version of Skyrim VR actually has higher hardware requirements than Shadow Legend. I typically get solid 90 fps in Shadow Legend with maxed graphics settings including supersampling 2.0, but I have to reduce supersampling to something like 1.75/1.8 for similar performance in Skyrim VR. Even though there may be many trees and longer view distance in Skyrim VR, I do believe Shadow Legend is amazingly optimized to provide its utterly amazing graphics and performance. 
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  • nroskonrosko Posts: 954
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    Just as you have commented on the reviews others make, I also comment on your reviews. It works both ways; which seems to bother you.
     1.Commenting on a review that you hold different views & explaining why is one thing, insisting somebody is wrong about their own opinions & then accusing them of various things on a personal level is another. The later is trolling & is what you are doing.   

       
    That's a creepily emotional response.

    2.Its your emotional response Zenbane so you figure it out. 


      I have a longer history of enjoying conversations with like-minded individuals. 


    3.That's your problem though, if they are not like minded your agenda is to troll them.  

      
    You were the first to get emotional and resort to name-calling. You're still typing emotional responses instead of sticking to the facts, which is very common for you.


    4.Describing your behaviour is not name calling. 

     
    Having a good memory is not an obsession. I remember how you didn't care about "VR implementation" with that  game, and then you proceed to jump in to other threads to criticize titles in ways that contradict the excuses you made foYou remember . 


    5.I didn't care about vr implementation in the forest? what? You are literally making no sense. I have over 400 VR titles Zenbane there are multiple reason why i may or may not like a game. This theory you are trying to construct makes no sense & is just typical of the shitposting you are so fond of.

       
    You tried to derail the Pixel Ripped thread, and you are trying to do the same thing here. When I returned the favor in your Forest VR thread, you went absolutely ballistic! 
    You seem obsessed with ridiculing games others enjoy yet you get overly emotional if someone ridicules a game you enjoy. 

    6.You quoted me to instigate an argument just as you did that other guy. It seems derailing to you is having a different opinion about anything vr related & not conforming to the same view as you, the derailment is actually your behaviour. Your obsession with me goes back to when i started a thread to ask if anyone had sold their rift for a vive. You bizarrely remembered it from many months previous. Probably took notes. 

       
    Shadow Legend was not developed by Oculus, nor is it exclusive to the Oculus store. You have a strange obsession with tying me directly to Oculus. You can't seem to have a normal discussion without getting personal and emotional.


    7.Sure SL is not an Oculus game but was released on home, Skyrim wasn't of course. Again you don't have to look very far to find your emotional investment in Oculus. And there is nothing wrong with that in itself but Its your aggressive hostility towards anything else. Anyway I'm done here I do not have the time or want to spend time arguing on the internet

  • pyroth309pyroth309 Posts: 1,576 Valuable Player
    RuneSR2 said:
    I may stand corrected when I get my RTX 4080 in 2024 and finally can get 90 fps with all the bells and whistles enabled :D  





    So beware - don't eat your gigantic Skyrim VR cake just yet - because then you know all the quests and may not want to replay the game when Skyrim UltraRealistic VR becomes perfectly playable  B) 


    I see you enjoy Predcaliber's work too. Love his channel and dedication to modding. 
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,612 Valuable Player
    edited March 17
    nrosko said: 1.Commenting on a review that you hold different views & explaining why is one thing, insisting somebody is wrong about their own opinions & then accusing them of various things on a personal level is another. The later is trolling & is what you are doing.  

    I never said you were wrong about your own opinion. I just made an observation based on your trend.

    That's your problem though, if they are not like minded your agenda is to troll them. 

    Just because someone challenges your opinion doesn't mean it is "trolling." If you can't handle debate then don't start one.


    Describing your behaviour is not name calling.

    Calling someone "obnoxious" is very much name-callilng; if you can't describe someone's behavior without name-calling then you might not be mature enough for a discussion. If everyone followed your behavior, then I could just run around calling you an "idiot" and claim that I'm just describing your behavior.


    I didn't care about vr implementation in the forest? what? You are literally making no sense. I

    Of course it makes sense; do you understand what "VR implementation" even means? In The Forest VR you could "wiggle your wrist" and instantly chop trees or insta-kill an enemy. Yet you considered it the best VR experience ever lol. btw, you can't wiggle wrist to insta-kill enemies in Shadow Legend.


    I have over 400 VR titles

    Assuming that's true, it's too bad you've never been able to share an intriguing review on any of those.


    You quoted me to instigate an argument just as you did that other guy.

    Incorrect. You and "that other guy" shared a negative opinion but both of you didn't really back that negativity up with anything substantial. So I challenged the opinion to see if there was more to your opinions other than negativity. So far seems the answer is "no."


    .Sure SL is not an Oculus game but was released on home, Skyrim wasn't of course. Again you don't have to look very far to find your emotional investment in Oculus.

    It was not released exclusively on Home, it was released on Steam as well. This isn't about Oculus; you are just obsessed with turning everything in to Oculus - and in a negative way. You've always harbored negativity towards Oculus and you tend to feel compelled to tie me to Oculus even when Oculus isn't the subject matter. You do it so naturally that you don't even realize how it exposes your true bias.


    Anyway I'm done here I do not have the time or want to spend time arguing on the internet

    I believe you.

    Hopefully this thread can get back on track with some valid VR RPG discussion.

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  • LZoltowskiLZoltowski Posts: 6,774 Volunteer Moderator
    Interesting to see review disparity:


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