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  • WildtWildt Posts: 1,904 Valuable Player
    You're playing the redux versions, right?
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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,103 Valuable Player
    Wildt said:
    You're playing the redux versions, right?

    Yessir. I did my homework before buying them. There was a Redux bundle special on Steam. I took advantage!
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  • kojackkojack Posts: 5,291 Volunteer Moderator
    Give the Metro novel a go too if you are book inclined and are hooked on that world.

  • WildtWildt Posts: 1,904 Valuable Player
    Zenbane said:
    Wildt said:
    You're playing the redux versions, right?

    Yessir. I did my homework before buying them. There was a Redux bundle special on Steam. I took advantage!
    Yeah, even though I own both the originals, I bought that redux bundle on offer too. Stupid cheap, so I completed both games a second time.
    I'm waiting for an offer on Exodus before I purchase.
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  • pyroth309pyroth309 Posts: 1,549 Valuable Player
    Glad to hear you're enjoying it Zen. It's a fantastic game. 
  • kojackkojack Posts: 5,291 Volunteer Moderator
    I bought Metro Exodus today.
    I got it for $79au as a boxed DVD version from a physical store.
    If I bought it from the Epic online store, it would have been $91.

    Yeah, physical boxed edition cheaper than a digital download.


  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,103 Valuable Player
    pyroth309 said:
    Glad to hear you're enjoying it Zen. It's a fantastic game. 
    Yes, superb recommendation! It plays more like a movie than a game, which really helps with the addictive factor. Unlike most games, I don't feel like I'm having to "work" through some game mechanic. I feel like I'm seamlessly progressing through a badass story, which only unfolds if I have enough skill to advance my character.

    kojack said:
    I bought Metro Exodus today.

    I will probably buy this for myself either in June or over Christmas. Since it requires a much longer time commitment than the first two games, I will need to focus on it during the only 2 times a year (summer and winter holiday) where I pick a lengthy game to commit to.

    In the meantime, I'd love to hear your thoughts on Exodus. I've read reviews online but I'd rather hear your personal take.
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 6,736 Valuable Player
    edited March 26
    Exodus is awesome, arguably the best album that he did:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv584jRwh0s

     B) 
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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,103 Valuable Player
    I'm more of a fan of proper Exodus,



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  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 6,251 Valuable Player
    edited March 26
    I'm currently playing Red Dead Redemption 2 on PS 4 and I'm loving ever minute of it. The game is huge I'm only 15% in with hours of play. I'll play the Metro series next. I'm holding off on playing Resident Evil V in 2D, because as well as a Rift -S, I also plan to get the next PS -VR headset and PS -5. You won't be disappointed if Red Dead Redemption 2 comes to PC, but I'm beginning to doubt it will because the controls seem to be suited to the PS & XBox controller. I'm not sure how it would play just using a Keyboard & Mouse.
  • kojackkojack Posts: 5,291 Volunteer Moderator
    I finally got around to starting Exodus today.
    I've been playing nothing but Sub Nautica (in VR of course) for the last two weeks, so an FPS on my monitor felt overly flat and narrow for a while. I've adjusted back though.

    So far, Exodus feels like a cross between the previous Metros and Stalker. Which is cool, because I love both of those series. Metro 2033 and Last Light were mostly underground, with a little bit of above ground. Stalker is mostly above ground with a little bit of underground. Exodus is leaning towards the Stalker side in that respect. I'm running around a huge outdoors area doing missions, exploring for supplies, etc.
    (Side note: if you like Stalker, definitely check out the original novel it is based on: Roadside Picnic. Also the movie Stalker, although first time I watched it I was disappointed. I want to see it again, to see if I appreciate it more).

    The money system (military bullets) is gone. So is the mechanic of using money as emergency high power ammo. Instead you gather resources and use the crafting system in your backpack. If you find crafting tables, you can make your own ammo. Extra weapon parts and excess ammo can be broken down into resources.

    Combat feels exactly the same as the last games. Knife throwing is still my preferred combat method.

    One interesting thing, in the accessibility options there's a setting for quick time events. You can select tap, hold or press (tap is the default). The main quick time event is when a monster grabs you and you have to rapidly tap the use button. I've never seen a game that gives an option to simplify qte.
    The game difficulty also has a Reader option, for people who are more interested in the story.

    Some of the keyboard config is a little annoying. The medikit button is also the stealth melee kill button. The E button is used to skip cutscenes or start the game after loading a save and can't be rebound.
    Most interactions need to be held. Open a door? You have to hold the use button until a circle fills up. Start playing after loading? Fill the circle up. Open a locker? Fill the circle up. It's just a pointless delay on actions that don't need a safety.

    Some of the NPCs just won't shut up. A couple of times now I've walked away from NPCs while they were talking because they kept going and going with pointless dialog.

    There's a Photo mode. This is a bit like Ansel from Nvidia. It's a free camera (within a limited range of a couple of metres) for screenshots with selectable special effects.

    There's a LOT of points where you lose control for short periods. Cutscenes do it of course, but also things like every time you use a door you lose control for the door animation, then have to wait a second for your gun to become available again. Very annoying when entering a room with enemies. Plus it makes you stand up if you were crouching.


    For the most part though, it's pretty much more Metro in a bigger open map. Mostly the same enemies so far (one new kind I've found), same guns, same bullet lighter for burning spider webs, same gas mask and flashlight charger mechanics, etc. Runs well, looks great.

  • pyroth309pyroth309 Posts: 1,549 Valuable Player
    edited March 30
    kojack said:

    So far, Exodus feels like a cross between the previous Metros and Stalker. Which is cool, because I love both of those series. Metro 2033 and Last Light were mostly underground, with a little bit of above ground. Stalker is mostly above ground with a little bit of underground. Exodus is leaning towards the Stalker side in that respect. I'm running around a huge outdoors area doing missions, exploring for supplies, etc.
    (Side note: if you like Stalker, definitely check out the original novel it is based on: Roadside Picnic. Also the movie Stalker, although first time I watched it I was disappointed. I want to see it again, to see if I appreciate it more).

    That's exactly how I feel about it. I love the old S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games and played them all. Some of 4A games worked on Stalker. Exodus is a good addition to the series and I don't want to spoil anything but lets just say the game will scratch the earlier games itch before its done. It does drag a bit in the middle but it finishes pretty strong. (I may have already mentioned this in this thread and I'm in a hurry. I've talked about METRO to too many people lol)

    Speaking of Stalker. GSC (What's left of it) reannounced Stalker 2 again with a 2021 release date. The site has some crazy sounds on it. Most of the devs that worked on stalker went to 4A games and Vostok Games so my expectations are pretty low but I really hope they pull it off.
  • kojackkojack Posts: 5,291 Volunteer Moderator
    pyroth309 said:

    Speaking of Stalker. GSC (What's left of it) reannounced Stalker 2 again with a 2021 release date. The site has some crazy sounds on it. Most of the devs that worked on stalker went to 4A games and Vostok Games so my expectations are pretty low but I really hope they pull it off.
    I just hope they drop (or rewrite) the X-Ray engine. Stalker was great, but the engine was unstable and things like movement were clunky. The Metro engine is far better.

    Then again, just give me a Vintar BC and an anomaly detector and I'll be happy.

    Trailer for the 2K remaster of the 1979 movie Stalker, which the game is based on.

    The recent movie Annihilation is also inspired by the movie Stalker, but what happens in it is closer to the game.



  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 2,573 Valuable Player
    edited March 30
    kojack said:

    Trailer for the 2K remaster of the 1979 movie Stalker, which the game is based on.


    Saw the movie in like ... 2007? My wife saw it together with me, to this day she still hasn't forgiven me - she thinks it's by far the worst movie she ever saw  :D We saw the Russian edition with subtitles  o:)
             


    Some years later I saw the Russian version of Solaris (alone) - I liked that one better than Stalker, but that's a different discussion ;-) The game Stalker is awesome, never got to finish it though - and kinda gave up on the Metro games. 
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  • pyroth309pyroth309 Posts: 1,549 Valuable Player
    I got into Stalker games because I got a free disc of Shadow of Chernobyl with something I bought. I think it was a GPU that it was bundled with. I knew nothing about it and I figured it was just shovelware. I kept staring at the cover and wondering what the hell S.T.A.L.K.E.R. could stand for...searched on it and found out it stood for Scavengers,Trespassers,Adventurers,Loners,Killers,Explorers and Robbers. For some reason that intrigued me and with the title of Chernobyl, I figured it was going to be some post apocalyptic game and it was.

    This game is a classic and was a great game for that time period but the engine as @kojack said was trash. It's a free roam shooter and had a great story. The atmosphere was the best part. It's a place so toxic and hostile that most of humanity abandoned it.

    Stalker: Clear Sky was just ok to me. The story sucked and I found it tough to play through. It's the weakest of the three games but it was still a pretty good game for that time frame.

    Stalker: Call of Pripyat is one of my favorite games period. It was more of a direct sequel to Chernobyl and I felt it improved upon it in gameplay. It also has a great story like Chernobyl did. I've always had an urge to go back and see if I can mod those games with graphics and such and play through them again. 
  • kojackkojack Posts: 5,291 Volunteer Moderator
    I've played a heap of Exodus now (not sure how much, the Epic store lacks that info). Not finished, but I'm kind of losing interest. The huge open world maps just aren't as interesting as the linear underground journey in 2033 and Last Light. The second huge map really started to drag. A very bland and repetitive area that just doesn't fit the Metro game style.
    The third big area is more visually interesting at least.

    Exploring in pitch black underground tunnels with supernatural horror elements is very different to bright sunshine non toxic outdoors fighting bandits.

  • pyroth309pyroth309 Posts: 1,549 Valuable Player
    edited April 2
    kojack said:
    I've played a heap of Exodus now (not sure how much, the Epic store lacks that info). Not finished, but I'm kind of losing interest. The huge open world maps just aren't as interesting as the linear underground journey in 2033 and Last Light. The second huge map really started to drag. A very bland and repetitive area that just doesn't fit the Metro game style.
    The third big area is more visually interesting at least.

    Exploring in pitch black underground tunnels with supernatural horror elements is very different to bright sunshine non toxic outdoors fighting bandits.

    Yep, I lost interest in the Caspian sea area big time. I can't imagine anyone that plays through it will think it belongs in a Metro game. I actually had to take a break and then go back to it because I wasn't feeling it at all. Fortunately the next area is a bit better and then beyond that is great.
  • WildtWildt Posts: 1,904 Valuable Player
    edited April 2
    Dang..   none of glowing reviews seem to reflect what you guys are now reporting about Exodus. You guys think it can be patched with a reasonable effort, or is something just plain broken in the design?
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  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 6,251 Valuable Player
    I think it's the open world that is pishing some of them off. I saw a few YouTube reviews with some liking the open world and others not.
  • WildtWildt Posts: 1,904 Valuable Player
    edited April 2
    RedRizla said:
    I think it's the open world that is pishing some of them off. I saw a few YouTube reviews with some liking the open world and others not.
    It was just my impression that both @kojack and @pyroth309 both liked Stalker too and that this design managed to merge the two franchises successfully.
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  • pyroth309pyroth309 Posts: 1,549 Valuable Player
    edited April 2
    Wildt said:
    Dang..   none of glowing reviews seem to reflect what you guys are now reporting about Exodus. You guys think it can be patched with a reasonable effort, or is something just plain broken in the design?
    Minor spoilers:

    I don't really think it's broken per say, it's just boring and doesn't really fit the Metro franchise. The area in specific I'm talking about is a wide open Desert area and it just tends to drag on. The story isn't very interesting (to me) and the missions are really repetitive. I don't have a problem with the Open world aspects overall but I feel like the game could have deleted that entire map and actually been better for it overall. Trying not to give spoilers to people who haven't played. If reviewers haven't said the same then they were probably paid lol. I've seen plenty of people complain about caspian on forums. You can even google a ranking of the maps in Metro and it will come in dead last for just about everyone. I loved the Volga which is the first area (excluding the tutorial), and it was open world and interesting. The final area is great. Taiga was cool looking but also had some things about it that annoyed me, it's got a twist to it that it's not really open world. I enjoyed the little Yamantau mini area also.
  • kojackkojack Posts: 5,291 Volunteer Moderator
    Wildt said:
    Dang..   none of glowing reviews seem to reflect what you guys are now reporting about Exodus. You guys think it can be patched with a reasonable effort, or is something just plain broken in the design?
    That would be a bit like patching out all the underwater stuff in Sub Nautica. :)

    Metro 2033 and Last Light were mostly dark claustrophobic games set in russian subway tunnels with supernatural horror stuff (mutant monsters, telepathic beings, mind control, ghosts, etc). The rare times you were on the surface it was extremely dangerous, desperately trying to find gas mask filters on corpes before you choke to death, or running out of ammo fighting off swarms of watchmen.

    Metro Exodus is mostly running around outside in the daylight with almost no radiation concerns (gas masks are rarely needed, and you can craft new ones at any time from random scrap you find).
    Many hours of the game are basically Mad Max. Running around a desert trying to steal a fuel truck from a bandit gang.
    The first big area was interesting, it was still dark and spooky even above ground, and the cult was cool. But the desert just went on too long.
    The Ark part was great, back to cool underground stuff, but then it's back to sprawling outdoors.

    I think Stalker handled the outdoor focus better. The environment was more interesting (anomalies, distorted stuff, creature a-life, blowouts, etc).


  • WildtWildt Posts: 1,904 Valuable Player
    I understand this doesn't feel like a Metro game.. but I'm such a sucker for open world FPS, and I completed all the Far Cry games despite their repetitiveness, so I'm thinking I'll like this as long as the mechanics are solid :blush:


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  • kojackkojack Posts: 5,291 Volunteer Moderator
    Just as Metro was getting good again, it ended. :(

    I got one of the bad endings. There's at least 2 worse endings, but it was still pretty bad. I didn't hurt a single person or thing at Taiga. I avoided the blind ones without fighting. I freed people. I let surrendered enemies live. But that wasn't enough to appease Metro's morality judge. I guess it saw me posting on here and decided to punish me for not liking the desert level.

  • pyroth309pyroth309 Posts: 1,549 Valuable Player
    kojack said:
    Just as Metro was getting good again, it ended. :(

    I got one of the bad endings. There's at least 2 worse endings, but it was still pretty bad. I didn't hurt a single person or thing at Taiga. I avoided the blind ones without fighting. I freed people. I let surrendered enemies live. But that wasn't enough to appease Metro's morality judge. I guess it saw me posting on here and decided to punish me for not liking the desert level.

    Yea I wish the end was a little longer too, that last area was awesome to me. Really took me back to the desperation of the first 2 games. I got the bad (good) ending too. You gotta pretty much play flawless and harmless to get the good ending. For me, that went out the window almost immediately lol. 
  • kojackkojack Posts: 5,291 Volunteer Moderator
    In Metro I do tend to be fairly unforgiving when it comes to bandits, slavers, cannibals and nazis. Throwing knives or silenced magnum head shots from the dark for all of them, unless they surrender in time.

    Yeah, entering Dead City definitely brought Metro back to it's roots.

  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 6,736 Valuable Player
    I HATE games with crap endings!!! The worst I've ever experienced was the first Medal Of Honor game for the PC. I ended up blowing up the biological weapon that those naughty Nazis had developed which meant a mad rush back through the level and you needing to outrun the gas behind you which was catching fire. Fighting enemies as you're sprinting away.

    Then you manage to jump on a train (if I'm remembering correctly!) to finish the game. So there I was, legging it, killing Nazis, left with just a whisker of health. Jump on the train. And I was expecting the usual obligatory very cool footage from the end of WWII with people celebrating that I've just single handedly won WWII.

    What did I get?













    A black screen









    With THE END.


    I was fucking furious, what a let down :(
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  • pyroth309pyroth309 Posts: 1,549 Valuable Player
    edited April 3
    kojack said:
    In Metro I do tend to be fairly unforgiving when it comes to bandits, slavers, cannibals and nazis. Throwing knives or silenced magnum head shots from the dark for all of them, unless they surrender in time.

    Yeah, entering Dead City definitely brought Metro back to it's roots.

    Yeah, they should have cut the desert part out and added a few more hours of stuff to do around the Dead City and then had you enter the inner city at the end. Would have taken a good game and made it great. 


  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 14,103 Valuable Player
    Just beat Metro Last Last tonight. Really great experience all around. I am fighting the temptation to jump start Exodus right away lol
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  • Swifty0neSwifty0ne Posts: 36
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    I mean... I feel you. All the AAA quality goes to Pancake because VR entry at high quality is expensive and lets face it. Everyone has a Monitor... not everyone has a HMD.  The Games are starting to get better though. I think as more and more people get on board the quality will come with it. The Question is how do we make VR gaming affordable to the masses.  I am sick of waiting for a Horde Match in Dead and Buried.... I mean seriously its a free game and nobody plays it. :(
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