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  • dburnedburne Posts: 2,775 Valuable Player
    Wildt said:
    Currently bidding on CV1's on ebay - it's not gonna be as cheap as I hoped :disappointed:
    Yeah I have a feeling there will be a lot of folks trying to get their hands on a CV1.
    I imagine one still new in the box would be worth something. Dang knew I should have bought that "spare" when I was considering it LOL.
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 3,730 Valuable Player
    dburne said:
    Wildt said:
    Currently bidding on CV1's on ebay - it's not gonna be as cheap as I hoped :disappointed:
    Yeah I have a feeling there will be a lot of folks trying to get their hands on a CV1.
    I imagine one still new in the box would be worth something. Dang knew I should have bought that "spare" when I was considering it LOL.

    Guess it had to end  :( - just kind of a sad thing  :( - especially when we all know:

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  • KlodsBrikKlodsBrik Posts: 1,197
    Wintermute

    While I knew it had to be a joke, I sincerly hoped for it to be true. :(

     Love your pricetag :D
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  • bigmike20vtbigmike20vt Posts: 4,074 Valuable Player
    Zenbane said:

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    It was a decent film in its own right however would have been better distancing itsself from the Myers franchise imo to save confusion.  still, some quality cheesy horror moments and who would not love a mask which turns peoples brains into cockroaches, worms and snakes.
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  • KlodsBrikKlodsBrik Posts: 1,197
    Wintermute

    While the video mostly have footage of Rift. The title suggest otherwise.
     Does this mean that we might be able to purchase Rift-s and Quest before F8?
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  • KlodsBrikKlodsBrik Posts: 1,197
    Wintermute
    Somewhat interesting:

    Based on the previews I’ve been reading from GDC, I was expecting more of a lateral quality move, with added inside-out tracking.

    However, compared to the Rift, I’m seeing a significantly higher resolution in DCS World where instrumentation is much easier to read, as well as spotting units outside the cockpit. Looking around the Hornet cockpit, I can read EVERYTHING. I’m very impressed with the DCS World experience in the Rift S.

    Inside-out tracking has been flawless for me, and Rift S setup could not be easier.

    If you are a Rift owner, I’d certainly suggest taking a very hard look at the Rift S; I find the experience considerably better.




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  • inovatorinovator Posts: 2,095 Valuable Player
    KlodsBrik said:
    Somewhat interesting:

    Based on the previews I’ve been reading from GDC, I was expecting more of a lateral quality move, with added inside-out tracking.

    However, compared to the Rift, I’m seeing a significantly higher resolution in DCS World where instrumentation is much easier to read, as well as spotting units outside the cockpit. Looking around the Hornet cockpit, I can read EVERYTHING. I’m very impressed with the DCS World experience in the Rift S.

    Inside-out tracking has been flawless for me, and Rift S setup could not be easier.

    If you are a Rift owner, I’d certainly suggest taking a very hard look at the Rift S; I find the experience considerably better.


    I have know doubt that when hands on reviews come out in droves after release, a high percentage of current rift owners will buy the rift s. While it not being a cv2 upgrade I believe in comparison to the current rift it is a large enough improvement to do the trick.


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  • jayhawkjayhawk Posts: 812
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    Sharpfish said:
    There is almost NOTHING more vital to the in-view aethestics of VR than superb BLACK LEVELS.

    Without pure or near pure blacks the entire sense of 'reality' / presence /immersion is ruined.
    Seems a bit over dramatic to me lol. The way I see it is if it were that bad, then why is Pimax or Reverb using LCD? I'm not going to knock it till I try it.....well buy it more like.
  • jayhawkjayhawk Posts: 812
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    edited April 11
    RedRizla said:
    I've seen just about every review about the Rift -S and they all say the same thing. That Rift -S should have had the Oculus Quest screens and the same resolution. I have to say given the price of Oculus Rift -S that I have to agree with these reviews now. Rift -S should be priced at £299 given it doesn't use anything like the Oculus Quests much better hardware. What is it about Rift -S that gives it the same price tag as an Oculus Quest, if it's hardware is not as good as the Oculus Quest? 
    I don't think the reviewers are saying 'Rift-S SHOULD have had the Oculus Quest screens'. I've seen them all too, and most at best are only questioning why they are the same in price, but some actually do point out that because of the Samsung partnership, it's going to drive up cost some. Most likely the S will drop in price much sooner than Quest. Maybe they're taking a hit on the Quest. Pure speculation at this point.
  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,112 Valuable Player
    jayhawk said:
    Sharpfish said:
    There is almost NOTHING more vital to the in-view aethestics of VR than superb BLACK LEVELS.

    Without pure or near pure blacks the entire sense of 'reality' / presence /immersion is ruined.
    Seems a bit over dramatic to me lol. The way I see it is if it were that bad, then why is Pimax or Reverb using LCD? I'm not going to knock it till I try it.....well buy it more like.

    Yup, particularly when you consider that the black levels aren't that great with the Rift anyway. Going by feedback from people that have been using LCD headsets for a while it seems like you get used to the black levels anyway.

    Unless the Index is something REALLY special I'm pretty much convinced on getting a Rift S as an upgrade.
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  • inovatorinovator Posts: 2,095 Valuable Player
    I guess it's just me but kind of black very black, deep dark black, whatever doesn't effect me. Black seems black to me even when other people say it's more like gray. Most people just aren't that fussy.
  • CrashFuCrashFu Posts: 1,756 Valuable Player
    I seem to recall someone explaining OLED screens and black levels on the forum not too long ago..

    Something about how OLEDs only get "darker blacks" by literally turning pixels off?

    And most software doesn't even use that feature because of some side-effect that looks bad?   Does that sound about right?
    It's hard being the voice of reason when you're surrounded by unreasonable people.
  • WildtWildt Posts: 2,075 Valuable Player
    I had to reinstall Win10 the other day, and had forgotten just how awful the blacks are until you disable Spud.
    If you havent tried it, do it! Use the background in the IPD calibration screen for comparison. 
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  • bigmike20vtbigmike20vt Posts: 4,074 Valuable Player
    inovator said:
    I guess it's just me but kind of black very black, deep dark black, whatever doesn't effect me. Black seems black to me even when other people say it's more like gray. Most people just aren't that fussy.
    Surely it depends on the games you play? Lucky's tale of robo recall or DCS (in the day) won't have an issue, elite dangerous and Affected and stuff like doom3 will be a bigger test imo
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  • SkScotcheggSkScotchegg Posts: 1,238
    Wintermute
    edited April 12
    inovator said:
    KlodsBrik said:
    Somewhat interesting:

    Based on the previews I’ve been reading from GDC, I was expecting more of a lateral quality move, with added inside-out tracking.

    However, compared to the Rift, I’m seeing a significantly higher resolution in DCS World where instrumentation is much easier to read, as well as spotting units outside the cockpit. Looking around the Hornet cockpit, I can read EVERYTHING. I’m very impressed with the DCS World experience in the Rift S.

    Inside-out tracking has been flawless for me, and Rift S setup could not be easier.

    If you are a Rift owner, I’d certainly suggest taking a very hard look at the Rift S; I find the experience considerably better.


    I have know doubt that when hands on reviews come out in droves after release, a high percentage of current rift owners will buy the rift s. While it not being a cv2 upgrade I believe in comparison to the current rift it is a large enough improvement to do the trick.


    .

    I would 100% buy the Rift S too, and maybe I still will later down the line when it's on discount at £300 or something but because Valve Index is coming out so soon and that has increased FOV then I have to buy that first as Valve Index for me is a massive upgrade over anything on the current market right now (at an affordable price for me if the full bundle comes in at around £600).

    But I'm still a big Oculus supporter and I believe Oculus make great quality HMD's and software, so nobody is going to be disappointed by Rift S. I think everyone was disappointed after the big reveal because they were expecting CV2 but now time has passed and everyone is starting to realise that Rift S is still a great choice none the less.

    The best thing about Rift S for me is that it has improved optics, higher resolution, inside/out tracking and Touch 2.0 with the sensor rings placed in a different area which is better for me as the original Touch controllers were too small for my hands.

    The best thing about Valve Index is the increased FOV,  higher resolution and Knuckles. I guess others would also say IPD adjustment is a bonus but tbh that doesn't bother me as I only have one eye!  :p
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  • dburnedburne Posts: 2,775 Valuable Player
    inovator said:
    KlodsBrik said:
    Somewhat interesting:

    Based on the previews I’ve been reading from GDC, I was expecting more of a lateral quality move, with added inside-out tracking.

    However, compared to the Rift, I’m seeing a significantly higher resolution in DCS World where instrumentation is much easier to read, as well as spotting units outside the cockpit. Looking around the Hornet cockpit, I can read EVERYTHING. I’m very impressed with the DCS World experience in the Rift S.

    Inside-out tracking has been flawless for me, and Rift S setup could not be easier.

    If you are a Rift owner, I’d certainly suggest taking a very hard look at the Rift S; I find the experience considerably better.


    I have know doubt that when hands on reviews come out in droves after release, a high percentage of current rift owners will buy the rift s. While it not being a cv2 upgrade I believe in comparison to the current rift it is a large enough improvement to do the trick.


    .

    I would 100% buy the Rift S too, and maybe I still will later down the line when it's on discount at £300 or something but because Valve Index is coming out so soon and that has increased FOV then I have to buy that first as Valve Index for me is a massive upgrade over anything on the current market right now (at an affordable price for me if the full bundle comes in at around £600).

    But I'm still a big Oculus supporter and I believe Oculus make great quality HMD's and software, so nobody is going to be disappointed by Rift S. I think everyone was disappointed after the big reveal because they were expecting CV2 but now time has passed and everyone is starting to realise that Rift S is still a great choice none the less.

    The best thing about Rift S for me is that it has improved optics, higher resolution, inside/out tracking and Touch 2.0 with the sensor rings placed in a different area which is better for me as the original Touch controllers were too small for my hands.

    The best thing about Valve Index is the increased FOV,  higher resolution and Knuckles. I guess others would also say IPD adjustment is a bonus but tbh that doesn't bother me as I only have one eye!  :p
    I would also add for the Valve Index what appears to be probably a very good audio setup. Oculus did very good on the audio setup for the Rift CV1 ( with exception of the failure issues in right earphone which I never had). It was disappointing to see them punt on the audio for the Rift S, I would have much preferred to have seen even better audio with the Rift S.

    Increased resolution, larger FOV, decent controllers, no WMR fluffing about.
    This is what has me all excited and most likely will be ordering a Valve Index as soon as orders open up for them.
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  • inovatorinovator Posts: 2,095 Valuable Player
    inovator said:
    KlodsBrik said:
    Somewhat interesting:

    Based on the previews I’ve been reading from GDC, I was expecting more of a lateral quality move, with added inside-out tracking.

    However, compared to the Rift, I’m seeing a significantly higher resolution in DCS World where instrumentation is much easier to read, as well as spotting units outside the cockpit. Looking around the Hornet cockpit, I can read EVERYTHING. I’m very impressed with the DCS World experience in the Rift S.

    Inside-out tracking has been flawless for me, and Rift S setup could not be easier.

    If you are a Rift owner, I’d certainly suggest taking a very hard look at the Rift S; I find the experience considerably better.


    I have know doubt that when hands on reviews come out in droves after release, a high percentage of current rift owners will buy the rift s. While it not being a cv2 upgrade I believe in comparison to the current rift it is a large enough improvement to do the trick.


    .

    I would 100% buy the Rift S too, and maybe I still will later down the line when it's on discount at £300 or something but because Valve Index is coming out so soon and that has increased FOV then I have to buy that first as Valve Index for me is a massive upgrade over anything on the current market right now (at an affordable price for me if the full bundle comes in at around £600).

    But I'm still a big Oculus supporter and I believe Oculus make great quality HMD's and software, so nobody is going to be disappointed by Rift S. I think everyone was disappointed after the big reveal because they were expecting CV2 but now time has passed and everyone is starting to realise that Rift S is still a great choice none the less.

    The best thing about Rift S for me is that it has improved optics, higher resolution, inside/out tracking and Touch 2.0 with the sensor rings placed in a different area which is better for me as the original Touch controllers were too small for my hands.

    The best thing about Valve Index is the increased FOV,  higher resolution and Knuckles. I guess others would also say IPD adjustment is a bonus but tbh that doesn't bother me as I only have one eye!  



    If index had inside out tracking I would consider that 1st same as u. But alas the idea of external sensor set up now makes me sick.
  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 4,781 Valuable Player
    KlodsBrik said:
    Rift-S Safety video:
    [VIDEO]

    Yeah, I see the mainstream focus clearly now - and a little bit of hype in the format, but have to agree it gets the message across.
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  • jayhawkjayhawk Posts: 812
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    CrashFu said:
    I seem to recall someone explaining OLED screens and black levels on the forum not too long ago..

    Something about how OLEDs only get "darker blacks" by literally turning pixels off?

    And most software doesn't even use that feature because of some side-effect that looks bad?   Does that sound about right?
    I remember that. I think it was the smearing that results from the on/off switching. I honestly think people are making a bigger deal out of the LCD vs. OLED thing, because that's what the internet does. Bandwagon hop. Like I've said, if LCD was so bad then why does the PIMAX, PSVR, and Reverb use it.
  • lensmandavelensmandave Posts: 295
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    edited April 12
    jayhawk said:
    CrashFu said:
    I seem to recall someone explaining OLED screens and black levels on the forum not too long ago..

    Something about how OLEDs only get "darker blacks" by literally turning pixels off?

    And most software doesn't even use that feature because of some side-effect that looks bad?   Does that sound about right?
    I remember that. I think it was the smearing that results from the on/off switching. I honestly think people are making a bigger deal out of the LCD vs. OLED thing, because that's what the internet does. Bandwagon hop. Like I've said, if LCD was so bad then why does the PIMAX, PSVR, and Reverb use it.
    Yep, OLEDs are capable of giving a perfect black...but the trade off is a compression of the dark tones making it difficult to pick out detail in dark parts of the scene. The only fix is to up the gain but then you lose your nice blacks. The  other trade off, of course, is most OLED displays have a pentile matrix so the observed pixel count is lower thus rendering lower detail.
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,112 Valuable Player
    I'm not too worried about the black levels tbh, even with games like horror games and Elite Dangerous. People that have used the Go have said that the black levels are pretty good and I'm pretty sure that you'll get used to them.
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  • inovatorinovator Posts: 2,095 Valuable Player
    Absolutely 
  • MradrMradr Posts: 3,535 Valuable Player
    edited April 12
    jayhawk said:
    CrashFu said:
    I seem to recall someone explaining OLED screens and black levels on the forum not too long ago..

    Something about how OLEDs only get "darker blacks" by literally turning pixels off?

    And most software doesn't even use that feature because of some side-effect that looks bad?   Does that sound about right?
    I remember that. I think it was the smearing that results from the on/off switching. I honestly think people are making a bigger deal out of the LCD vs. OLED thing, because that's what the internet does. Bandwagon hop. Like I've said, if LCD was so bad then why does the PIMAX, PSVR, and Reverb use it.
    I think most people would be ok with switch - it was just the added compound of changes that result in a lot of hate for the Rift S.  If I could though - I would still rather have OLED vs LCD - only for the fact of the switching and light being created from pixels vs a back light. The problem is that most OLED is pentile while LCD been around so long that full RGB is cheap to produce compare to a OLED pentile is.

    With that said - if they use that money back towards a higher resolution panel - then I think everyone would be ok with this - but the Rift S went down to a single panel and that just another change that resulted in more hate. Over all - I think once people try out full RGB LCD I think that comment will vanish over time. At the same time Rift S will just have to deal with the too many changes and not enough upgrade value for a while. Even more so if Valve can pull off a 1.5 headset.
  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,112 Valuable Player
    Easter Eggs in some Touch controllers:

    https://old.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/bcgms0/your_touch_controllers_might_have_a_cool_easter/

    Doesn't say whether they'll be in Quest or Rift S controllers though, maybe in both seeing as they're the same controllers?

    If I end up getting a Rift S rather than a Valve Index I'll probably buy a second one to use if I get one with Easter Eggs.

    This is the sort of thing that collectors will go for in 50 years or so. My distant relatives will thank me for it I think, along with my two factory sealed DK1s  B)
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  • bigmike20vtbigmike20vt Posts: 4,074 Valuable Player
    [email protected] big brother is watching. I guess I can see why Facebook may not like that one given recent news from Facebook and the existing tin foil hatters thinking zuk wants to watch them playing with themselves in their undercrackers through the rift external sensors.
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,112 Valuable Player
    [email protected] big brother is watching. I guess I can see why Facebook may not like that one given recent news from Facebook and the existing tin foil hatters thinking zuk wants to watch them playing with themselves in their undercrackers through the rift external sensors.

    Makes me want to try to hack @vannagirl's sensors now that I'm thinking about it...
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  • pyroth309pyroth309 Posts: 1,568 Valuable Player
    [email protected] big brother is watching. I guess I can see why Facebook may not like that one given recent news from Facebook and the existing tin foil hatters thinking zuk wants to watch them playing with themselves in their undercrackers through the rift external sensors.

    Eh, wouldn't say it's tin foil hatter's or far fetched given Facebook's history and what Amazon is doing ATM. Whether you care or not is a different story.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-04-10/is-anyone-listening-to-you-on-alexa-a-global-team-reviews-audio
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