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Sweviver does the XTAL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpPY_XNpn08
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  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 5,907 Valuable Player
    The EX version of the system works very well with a much better FOV than the Pimax 8K:


  • Digikid1Digikid1 Posts: 2,506 Valuable Player
    OMG that looks awful!  LMAO!!!!!!!!!
  • MorgrumMorgrum Posts: 1,854 Valuable Player
    But how does it perform?
    WAAAGH!
  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 5,907 Valuable Player
    Automotive and Aviation industries have purchased a number, and the three versions of their systems I have used are very good vis/sim platforms - not really consumer fodder though.
  • inovatorinovator Posts: 2,911 Valuable Player
    They are around 5000 dollars. For me it's like it doesn't exist
  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 8,058 Valuable Player
    edited April 2019
    kevinw729 said:
    The EX version of the system works very well with a much better FOV than the Pimax 8K:



    Where do you get these flight sim chairs from?
  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 5,907 Valuable Player
    RedRizla said:
    ....
    Where do you get these flight sim chairs from?

    Just the commercial variant of the Play Seat platform:



  • kojackkojack Posts: 7,199 Volunteer Moderator
    My first thought seeing that Play Seat photo: they have a Saitek X52 throttle on the right when it should be on the left.
    (I guess they watched the Speed Racer movie, which does the same, but they at least turn it backwards which makes it about 10% less annoying to use with the wrong hand)
    The CH Products throttle quadrant on the left could easily work on the right, it's ambidextrous, so the Saitek throttle could go on the left where it belongs.

    Yes, I'm picky. :)
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  • OmegaM4NOmegaM4N Posts: 1,144
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    kojack said:

    It looks like he strapped a graphics card to his face.


    Damn, the new redesign for the Borg for Star Trek Discovery is looking somewhat cheap.
  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 5,907 Valuable Player
    edited April 2019
    kojack said:
    .....
    Yes, I'm picky. :)

    That's more than just picky!  B)
  • kojackkojack Posts: 7,199 Volunteer Moderator
    One of my hobbies is spotting consumer gaming hardware in scifi movies/tv. Plus I have an X52 in my collection of input devices, so I have years of experience with it. There's no way you can use most of the controls of that throttle conveniently if it's on the right.

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  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 5,907 Valuable Player
    edited April 2019
    Interesting - off topic - @kojack I am doing some research into consumer motion seat systems that have found their way into commercial entertainment application, do you know anything about those kind of systems - such as this:

    [Edit: other than using Right-Click that is...]





  • Hiro_Protag0nistHiro_Protag0nist Posts: 5,008 Valuable Player
    Tried the XTAL a couple of times at the Hannover Messe - nice image but the hand tracking wasn't up to scratch.  And yes, it's huge!

    @kevinw729 what is the EX?
  • MradrMradr Posts: 4,179 Valuable Player
    edited April 2019
    Hiro_Protag0nist said:
    Tried the XTAL a couple of times at the Hannover Messe - nice image but the hand tracking wasn't up to scratch.  And yes, it's huge!

    @kevinw729 what is the EX?
    Far as I knew - they don't have their own tracking - they use 3rd party tracking from Valve. Maybe this was 1st version of their XTAL headset? There has been at least 3 public versions.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvFBUvfpQJ8

    Though it makes me sad if StarVR One was better than XTAL and was cheaper by 2k$ xDD DARN IT!!! LOL
  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 8,112 Valuable Player
    Dear Oculus, the Rift S isn't big enough and will look sensible(ish) when the thing is strapped to my face. Fuck you, I'm buying an XTAL or Pimax.
    "This you have to understand. There's only one way to hurt a man who's lost everything. Give him back something broken."

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  • Hiro_Protag0nistHiro_Protag0nist Posts: 5,008 Valuable Player
    Mradr said:
    Hiro_Protag0nist said:
    Tried the XTAL a couple of times at the Hannover Messe - nice image but the hand tracking wasn't up to scratch.  And yes, it's huge!

    @kevinw729 what is the EX?
    Far as I knew - they don't have their own tracking - they use 3rd party tracking from Valve. Maybe this was 1st version of their XTAL headset? There has been at least 3 public versions.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvFBUvfpQJ8

    Though it makes me sad if StarVR One was better than XTAL and was cheaper by 2k$ xDD DARN IT!!! LOL

    It's a Leap Motion mate - built in (for hand tracking).
  • Hiro_Protag0nistHiro_Protag0nist Posts: 5,008 Valuable Player
    snowdog said:
    Dear Oculus, the Rift S isn't big enough and will look sensible(ish) when the thing is strapped to my face. Fuck you, I'm buying an XTAL or Pimax.

    Don't bother messaging Oculus - just go direct to Facebook.
  • kojackkojack Posts: 7,199 Volunteer Moderator
    Mradr said:
    Hiro_Protag0nist said:
    Tried the XTAL a couple of times at the Hannover Messe - nice image but the hand tracking wasn't up to scratch.  And yes, it's huge!

    @kevinw729 what is the EX?
    Far as I knew - they don't have their own tracking - they use 3rd party tracking from Valve. Maybe this was 1st version of their XTAL headset? There has been at least 3 public versions.

    From the Xtal's specs page, it has integrated 3DOF IMU tracking, with a few different optional 6DOF systems:
    - embedded optitrack
    - clip on Lighthouse
    - clip on ART

    It's also got built in Leap Motion 2 for hand tracking. @Hiro_Protag0nist did you mean controller tracking or pure hand/finger tracking?

    The motorised automatic adjusting IPD is pretty cool (it detects your IPD and moves the lenses on its own to match).

    I like how two of their bullet points are:
    • No data kept or sent to any 3rd party
    • Full control over updates
    Do you hear that Oculus? FULL CONTROL OVER UPDATES!

    Although on the negative side, they say: "5K resolution   5120 x 1440 (2560 x 1440 per eye)".
    No, please don't be another Pimax, using deceptive terminology. Stick to the per eye numbers. One axis terms like "5K" are only of value when the aspect ratio is a known value. Plus, you never see 5120 pixels across due to stereo overlap.


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  • Hiro_Protag0nistHiro_Protag0nist Posts: 5,008 Valuable Player
    edited April 2019
    kojack said:
    Mradr said:
    Hiro_Protag0nist said:
    Tried the XTAL a couple of times at the Hannover Messe - nice image but the hand tracking wasn't up to scratch.  And yes, it's huge!

    @kevinw729 what is the EX?
    Far as I knew - they don't have their own tracking - they use 3rd party tracking from Valve. Maybe this was 1st version of their XTAL headset? There has been at least 3 public versions.



    It's also got built in Leap Motion 2 for hand tracking. @Hiro_Protag0nist did you mean controller tracking or pure hand/finger tracking?





    No controllers - just hand tracking using the Leap Motion.

    There was a car demo where you could open the doors etc.
  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 8,112 Valuable Player
    Hiro_Protag0nist said:
    snowdog said:
    Dear Oculus, the Rift S isn't big enough and will look sensible(ish) when the thing is strapped to my face. Fuck you, I'm buying an XTAL or Pimax.

    Don't bother messaging Oculus - just go direct to Facebook.

    Unfortunately, for some strange reason known only to himself, Mr Zuckerberg has a restraining order in place preventing me from contacting him directly. :(
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    Thomas Covenant, Unbeliever
  • Hiro_Protag0nistHiro_Protag0nist Posts: 5,008 Valuable Player
    snowdog said:
    Hiro_Protag0nist said:
    snowdog said:
    Dear Oculus, the Rift S isn't big enough and will look sensible(ish) when the thing is strapped to my face. Fuck you, I'm buying an XTAL or Pimax.

    Don't bother messaging Oculus - just go direct to Facebook.

    Unfortunately, for some strange reason known only to himself, Mr Zuckerberg has a restraining order in place preventing me from contacting him directly. :(

    Isn't that 2 now?    :D
  • kojackkojack Posts: 7,199 Volunteer Moderator
    Hiro_Protag0nist said:
    kojack said:
    Mradr said:
    Hiro_Protag0nist said:
    Tried the XTAL a couple of times at the Hannover Messe - nice image but the hand tracking wasn't up to scratch.  And yes, it's huge!

    @kevinw729 what is the EX?
    Far as I knew - they don't have their own tracking - they use 3rd party tracking from Valve. Maybe this was 1st version of their XTAL headset? There has been at least 3 public versions.



    It's also got built in Leap Motion 2 for hand tracking. @Hiro_Protag0nist did you mean controller tracking or pure hand/finger tracking?





    No controllers - just hand tracking using the Leap Motion.

    There was a car demo where you could open the doors etc.
    Hmm, odd. I haven't tried Leap Motion 2, but I do have the original model and it works pretty well (except it doesn't quite get my thumbs in the right spot)
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  • Hiro_Protag0nistHiro_Protag0nist Posts: 5,008 Valuable Player
    edited April 2019
    kojack said:
    Hiro_Protag0nist said:
    kojack said:
    Mradr said:
    Hiro_Protag0nist said:
    Tried the XTAL a couple of times at the Hannover Messe - nice image but the hand tracking wasn't up to scratch.  And yes, it's huge!

    @kevinw729 what is the EX?
    Far as I knew - they don't have their own tracking - they use 3rd party tracking from Valve. Maybe this was 1st version of their XTAL headset? There has been at least 3 public versions.



    It's also got built in Leap Motion 2 for hand tracking. @Hiro_Protag0nist did you mean controller tracking or pure hand/finger tracking?





    No controllers - just hand tracking using the Leap Motion.

    There was a car demo where you could open the doors etc.
    Hmm, odd. I haven't tried Leap Motion 2, but I do have the original model and it works pretty well (except it doesn't quite get my thumbs in the right spot)

    Well i've used the first in conjunction with other software and that too was an awful experience.  Of course, in both the instances i talk about, it might not be the Leap Motion or it's own software.
  • MorgrumMorgrum Posts: 1,854 Valuable Player
    kevinw729 said:
    Interesting - off topic - @kojack I am doing some research into consumer motion seat systems that have found their way into commercial entertainment application, do you know anything about those kind of systems - such as this:

    [Edit: other than using Right-Click that is...]





    That looks like the dof reality seats I have one and its pretty sturdy.
    The guy who makes them is a longtime member of the Xsimulator community. 

    Only downside is while the function great its not exactly a commercial unit.
    Many of its components are as you can see out in the open and unshielded.
    That can lead to lawsuits when some idiot does something stupid while on one.
    Or downtime if some idoit does something to break it.

    They are easy to mantain though since they use wiper motors for directional movement.

    I am in one of the videos in their promotion gallery because I altered mine abit to show that you could make a pretty kick ass flight unit out of one.
    WAAAGH!
  • MorgrumMorgrum Posts: 1,854 Valuable Player
    inovator said:
    They are around 5000 dollars. For me it's like it doesn't exist
    That firmly puts it in the nope category!
    WAAAGH!
  • LuciferousLuciferous Posts: 2,722 Valuable Player
    Ok can we agree this is high end and not any headset Slightly better than the Rift S. 😀
  • MradrMradr Posts: 4,179 Valuable Player
    edited April 2019
    I tried to get MRTV to talk about anymore news on XTAL - but he is like "I am under the NDA so I can't say anything else about it" XD then the awkward silents:) I assume there will be more news from XTAL soon. Not sure what that really means - but sounds neat:)
  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 5,907 Valuable Player
    VRgineers are in discussion with a number of parties towards their next iteration of their platform. However this will be an Enterprise approach for the time being and linked more to the CAD and Entertainment scene. As one that has links to the developers I am impressed with what they have achieved with limited resources, and when next in Prague hope to grab some more images of the latest design - but you will have to understand they will be keeping a lot of this under the radar to avoid the hyperbole that has impacted Pimax and StarVR.
  • Dawas19Dawas19 Posts: 13
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    Wooooow
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