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Oculus Explains Why It Doesn’t Think the Time is Right for ‘Rift 2’ or ‘Rift Pro’

kevinw729
Honored Visionary

“VR is going to keep progressing. So, beyond and shadow of a doubt, at some point we will have a next generation where we add some sort of feature that breaks all of the old stuff and makes it either not work, or makes it seem obsolete. Our goal is not to do that right now. Our goal is to bring as many people into the ecosystem as possible. Bifurcating the ecosystem with a Rift and, say, a Rift 2 […] is not the right thing to do right now.”


https://www.roadtovr.com/oculus-explains-timing-rift-2-rift-pro/?fbclid=IwAR37hW4dGpGnISlto-mubuiS2Z...

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kevinw729
Honored Visionary
Thanks @JD-UK  - I have noticed a little bit of revisionism going on following this article. For a time on the Facebook Oculus forum, and others - there had been a continuing, "oh you just wait and see CV2 will be out sooner than you think!" Now with this statement its all "oh we knew this was the situation, and never expected to see CV2 till much later..." - there was one poster that claimed it was scheduled for Q2 2020!! I think the hyperbole is the biggest draw back to this latest phase of VR adoption for me. Some have built their expectations up to unfathomable heights. 

I just wonder, as it is suggested that a good chunk of the R&D team on Half-Dome and other projects left with the previous ex-CEO of Oculus; who is actually working on this eye-tracked, full FOV, 4k headset that will be coming out in 2021-22? Is this something they could do in partnership with Microsoft, or Samsung, or their new partners Lenovo? Or is this a partnership with Xiaomi, especially as Oculus Go has sold well in China?

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vannagirl
Consultant
Am pretty sure most of Snowdogs dates are said with some fun in mind no one here really knows what is coming and when unless oculus themselves announced it.


Look, man. I only need to know one thing: where they are. 

foldale
Explorer

dburne said:

I think it will splinter the PC-VR community for Oculus, in fact it already has been splintering. The Oculus community that uses the Rift primarily for Oculus experiences and games will likely go with Rift S and stay with Oculus for the foreseeable future.
 
The smaller Oculus PC-VR community that is more interested in non - Oculus games, primarily flight and racing sim types and likely some space game types, the majority will probably go with another brand this time around. Many of these are the ones that spend some bucks on higher end equipment to include beefy PC's and expensive controllers. They want a good headset to compliment that for these sims they spend the bulk of their gaming time in. This group typically has no problem spending more for a VR headset, but again this is a very small minority. I myself would have no problem spending 800-1,000 USD for a good headset that has more of what I want.



I agree! I would have stayed with the OCULUS even with the marginal upgrades with the Rift S the biggest issue I have is what they took away (Mechanical IPD). They basically forced me to go else where - what a stupid move. I will be hard pressed to come back to OCULUS as a result

kevinw729
Honored Visionary

vannagirl said:

Am pretty sure most of Snowdogs dates are said with some fun in mind no one here really knows what is coming and when unless oculus themselves announced it.





Thanks @vannagirl - yes I know most of snowdogs comments at the time were more in "jest"! - but I was referring more to the Facebook forums, and a number of Reddit fans. To be frank, OculusVR has been very quiet, more happy to let the speculation promote the platform than confirm or reject speculation. 

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Anonymous
Not applicable

vannagirl said:

Am pretty sure most of Snowdogs dates are said with some fun in mind no one here really knows what is coming and when unless oculus themselves announced it.





Actually I've been pretty confident about the dates since I was posting my predictions. I originally predicted the CV2 in 2019 because that would have meant a lifespan of 3 years for their headsets. Then when it appeared to not be happening I said 2020 because leaving it any longer (more than a 4 year lifespan) would be madness.

Turns out I was right about the 3 year lifespan and by not providing a 'proper' CV2 this year it looks like they're following the Tick Tock model.

Almost everything I've said about these future headsets is based on common sense and based on manufacturing models used by other companies.

2016 CV1 Tock

2019 CV1 S Tick

2022 CV2 Tock

2025 CV2 S Tick

My predictions on the releases by HTC are also based on common sense too:

2016 Vive

2018 Vive Pro

2020 Vive Cosmos

2022 Next Vive HMD

I can't see HTC releasing the Cosmos this year because that would make it three headsets released by them in three years which would just be crazy, particularly considering their financial position during the last few years. Launching these things isn't cheap.

I've also predicted that HTC will either go bust or get bought out on the verge of going bust before the end of this year too, so we might not even see the Vive Cosmos being released at all.  😮

kevinw729
Honored Visionary
Impressive @snowdog !
Does for OculusVR the GearVR and GO fit into your ticking?
And does for HTC, the Focus and Vive Pro Eye?

Edit:....hey wait a minute, it was last year you said "HTC is going to go bust by the end of the year, defiantly" [paraphrasing] !!!

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Anonymous
Not applicable

kevinw729 said:

Impressive @snowdog !
Does for OculusVR the GearVR and GO fit into your ticking?
And does for HTC, the Focus and Vive Pro Eye?

Edit:....hey wait a minute, it was last year you said "HTC is going to go bust by the end of the year, defiantly" [paraphrasing] !!!




We'll probably see the Tick Tock model being followed by all Oculus headsets going forward I think. Bear in mind also that we'll also see features and tech for all three product lines being shared across them too. We've already seen this with the Go and Rift S.

When the CV2 does eventually arrive we probably won't see those features featuring down for a while because the likes of eye tracking and foveated rendering will be too expensive to filter down until they can get production costs down enough to make it viable at lower price points for their two mobile product lines.

As for HTC it's difficult to tell what the fuck they're doing because right from the start ALL of their VR headset development and product has been a bit of a joke, refusing to learn from the exact same mistakes they've made in the past with their mobile division.

All of their headsets so far have been too expensive and the Vive was clearly rushed to market. The Vive Pro was also a bad idea - yes, a higher resolution display was a good idea but what idiot thought that keeping the same crappy lenses was the correct decision? And the Vive Focus? Too expensive AGAIN and only released in the Far East so far. Honestly, I'm not expecting the Vive Cosmos to be any good either. There's bound to be SOMETHING wrong with it, even if it's just the purchase price. 😮

And it won't be long before they start to lose traction in the enterprise sector too now that Oculus have started dipping their toes in.

It's a shame because I've always liked HTC, I used their mobile phones for YEARS but had to stop because - no prize for guessing correctly - they were just too damn expensive.

jayhawk
Superstar

snowdog said:





 
Remember, the snowdog is right 99.9% of the time  B)

This statement was part of the .1% 😉

Morgrum
Expert Trustee
Well I for one am not a fan of the Rift S direction.
i am still very happy with my CV1 if it breaks I guess I will have to look elsewhere.
Until then its still game on.
WAAAGH!

kevinw729
Honored Visionary
I can't comment about the mess of HTC, as one that has to deal with them in their primary market of Enterprise, I just feel for the consumer buyers! But I do think you may be allowing your "bias" to color your objectivity - for all the mess, they have still survived this long.... how long they survive after Index's release, that is another matter.

I think the "toe" that was dipped by OculusVR my be being removed @snowdog - the companies that did use CV1's in their Enterprise offerings are not enticed to replace their hardware for Rift-S (now supply is dead) - and Quest is not practical, so they may have shot their BE operation in the foot - but lets wait till Rift-S appears before I line up the firing squad.

I really think HTC will try and go up against Rift-S with Cosmos (access to SteamVR will be important) - while Valve flanks both with Index (not forgetting HP and Reverb which is turning a lot of heads in the short term). Its such a small market to fight over - why I think Facebook VR are being smart to focus on Quest - just a shame they are not doing it with Samsung (that will come round to bite them!)
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