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  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 6,926 Valuable Player
    edited July 2019
    MowTin said:
    RuneSR2 said:
    My Index has shipped, should arrive Tuesday next week. 

     Mine is also scheduled to arrive Tuesday next week.

    I hope they fixed the controllers. It seems like all they need to do is use a longer metal rod in the thumbsticks. 

    Well obviously they didn't if you go back a page and have a read. I also just said in the post above yours that a guy has just received his Valve index with the same faulty controllers.
  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 4,551 Valuable Player
    Valve Index Prescription Lens Adapter is now available - looks nice, but I think I'll try with my own VR glasses first:

    https://vroptician.com/prescription-lens-inserts/valve-index/



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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 4,551 Valuable Player
    More from Mr. Wood, Rift-S vs. Index vs. Reverb, click to enlarge: 


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  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 6,926 Valuable Player
    @RuneSR2 - Can you give us a review of the Valve index a.s.a.p. I have six days to change my mind :)

    I really want to see what the HTC Cosmos has to offer though and are Samsung about to announce another VR headset soon?
  • Techy111Techy111 Posts: 6,735 Volunteer Moderator
    edited July 2019
    The reverb is really good, if only they can sort out their issues then the headset will be a winner. Want mine back asap !!!

    Ps I'd say the reverb is clearer and better than the comparison shot above by far !!!
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  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 6,926 Valuable Player
    edited July 2019
    Techy111 said:
    The reverb is really good, if only they can sort out their issues then the headset will be a winner. Want mine back asap !!!

    Ps I'd say the reverb is clearer and better than the comparison shot above by far !!!

    Good for sims but for a headset to use for everything else? I want one because I like sims otherwise I would probably give it miss.
  • Techy111Techy111 Posts: 6,735 Volunteer Moderator
    Mine will be used "solely" for simming. If like me that's your passion then the reverb is your headset, second to none.
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 4,551 Valuable Player
    RedRizla said:
    @RuneSR2 - Can you give us a review of the Valve index a.s.a.p. I have six days to change my mind :)

    I really want to see what the HTC Cosmos has to offer though and are Samsung about to announce another VR headset soon?

    Not sure I can be that quick - it should arrive exactly on my Birthday, so I might not have a lot of time to test it that day as my wife may get the strange idea that I should spend some time with the family, lol. Maybe Wednesday or Thursday I'll have more time... Not sure I can provide you with much that hasn't already been said, we'll see... 
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,284 Valuable Player
    RuneSR2 said:
    RedRizla said:
    @RuneSR2 - Can you give us a review of the Valve index a.s.a.p. I have six days to change my mind :)

    I really want to see what the HTC Cosmos has to offer though and are Samsung about to announce another VR headset soon?

    Not sure I can be that quick - it should arrive exactly on my Birthday, so I might not have a lot of time to test it that day as my wife may get the strange idea that I should spend some time with the family, lol. Maybe Wednesday or Thursday I'll have more time... Not sure I can provide you with much that hasn't already been said, we'll see... 

    Well that's grounds for divorce right there...just make sure you get custody of the VR headsets and PC and NOT the kids :D
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  • Techy111Techy111 Posts: 6,735 Volunteer Moderator
    Not saying my kids are bad but if my wife and I ever separate we have promised to fight over the kids. The loser keeps them  o:) now back on topic dammit ;)
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 4,551 Valuable Player
    edited July 2019
    snowdog said:
    RuneSR2 said:
    RedRizla said:
    @RuneSR2 - Can you give us a review of the Valve index a.s.a.p. I have six days to change my mind :)

    I really want to see what the HTC Cosmos has to offer though and are Samsung about to announce another VR headset soon?

    Not sure I can be that quick - it should arrive exactly on my Birthday, so I might not have a lot of time to test it that day as my wife may get the strange idea that I should spend some time with the family, lol. Maybe Wednesday or Thursday I'll have more time... Not sure I can provide you with much that hasn't already been said, we'll see... 

    Well that's grounds for divorce right there...just make sure you get custody of the VR headsets and PC and NOT the kids :D
    I guess I couldn't have hoped for a better day to receive the Index - if she thinks it's a complete waste of money, she can't be angry with me on my birthday, right?  :D But if the mailman is too slow and I get the Index Wednesday - which actually is her birthday - that may not be good  :#;)

    BTW, just gotten off the cruise ship, and late Wednesday evening I had to make the hard decision about getting the Index or not - because I'd be far away from land the next two days (=horribly expensive Internet connection if any - and my Index deadline was Friday). I only had my phone, so a few hours before losing connection I logged into to Steam (full website) by getting the authentication code from the Steam android app - and used the link in the Steam Index mail to go to the correct web page - and succeeded logging into PayPal too - and it all just worked. I don't think the wife noticed anything  o:)
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  • Shadowmask72Shadowmask72 Posts: 4,017 Valuable Player
    My availability was August 28th got email yesterday. Like everyone I am totally not sure.


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  • Techy111Techy111 Posts: 6,735 Volunteer Moderator
    Well I'm on the boat, took out a reservation but will wait for you lot ;)
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  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 6,926 Valuable Player
    Well I'm waiting until Sept to see what Oculus has to say and I also want to see what the HTC Cosmos has to offer. I don't mind waiting a few months to make the right choice. The Valve index has problems and until I hear they no-longer exist I won't be getting it. I can't be arsed to pack it all up if the controllers are faulty and £920 is a bit to much for me.
  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 4,551 Valuable Player
    Hmmmm.... ;)

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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 4,551 Valuable Player
    Wildt said:
    Just got the mail, but I'm pretty darn hesitant.
    @RuneSR2 - I'm sure you'll post a small review within the next 7 days to help me decide ;)
    I'll do my best - for now, I bought the Index because I think my life will be more fun with the Index than without it - and to support PCVR (especially because Valve like Oculus has a store directly supporting their HMD, I don't consider HTC in the same league). I hope that I can connect both Index and CV1 to the same pc, my thought was never to give up on the CV1 (Oculus)  but to get a separate HMD for Steam games (and with the recent Vertigo 2 demo and Wolfenstein in a few days, maybe a great time for Index has just begun).  
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,284 Valuable Player
    edited July 2019
    RuneSR2 said:
    Hmmmm.... ;)


    I'm not even going to bother pressing play. This bloke says that Half Life 3/VR is going to be released every five minutes. And this isn't something he's just started talking about this week, he's been saying it for fucking YEARS. The bloke is a Muppet of the highest order.

    If I had his postal address I would have sent him a turd moulded into the Half Life logo in a box years ago.
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 4,551 Valuable Player
    snowdog said:
    RuneSR2 said:
    Hmmmm.... ;)


    I'm not even going to bother pressing play. This bloke says that Half Life 3/VR is going to be released every five minutes. And this isn't something he's just started talking about this week, he's been saying it for fucking YEARS. The bloke is a Muppet of the highest order.

    If I had his postal address I would have sent him a turd moulded into the Half Life logo in a box years ago.

    Personally I do think the dude is on to something interesting - I wouldn't be surprised to see Half-Life VR from Valve, maybe some sort of parallel story to the original Half-Life. And new hidden code names in the DOTA 2 do look interesting. So maybe Valve is working on a game called Half-Life VR and another game called Citadel - that wouldn't surprise me (what else would Valve do to really support VR?) - no, the real question is when or if Valve will ever launch these games! 

    Recently I played The Lab (forcing ss 2.0 on CV1) - and especially the scene with the giant (Aperture) robot/AI from Portal 2 really impressed me. The level of polys, textures and performance was simply off the charts - and if anyone can make a VR game with this level of quality it's got to be Valve - and yes it's got to take a lot of time (years). For me that scene in The Lab was an important part of deciding to get the Index and support Valve (if the Index is good enough for me not to return it that is).



    That video is now 3 years old, I'm still finding it hard to think of other VR games and apps that impressed me more - besides Lone Echo and First Contact. 
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 4,551 Valuable Player
    I bit the bullet... am I ready for VR?



    I'm not going to update my old drivers just yet. If it works don't fix it. Some dudes needed to get the latest Nvidia drivers for Index to work, but some didn't and got problems when installing the latest drivers. I'll start with the system config I have right now and only update as needed - SteamVR is fully updated though. 

    During the night I got Seeking Dawn, Space Pirate Trainer, Arizona Sunshine, Vertigo 2 Demo, Psychonauts and more installed (already got Aperture Hand Lab) - and already have Skyrim, Doom VFR and many other SteamVR games. I guess I'm ready  o:)
    BTW, it's eating a lot of HD space having games like Seeking Dawn installed twice, not sure I'll buy more games I already have installed for the CV1 before I see how Revive works. The devs behind Arizona Sunshine just released a new patch for the Index for the Oculus Store version - I'm thinking they know that a lot of Index/Knuckles users use Revive ;)
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 4,551 Valuable Player
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 4,551 Valuable Player
    Was getting slightly worried, no updates for two days, but it seems everything is alright ;) 


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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 4,551 Valuable Player
    My USB situation:

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    In short - I still have the USB 3.1 Gen2 Type-C (VR Ready) port which I intend to use for the Index, the 3 other USB 3 ports are used for CV1 and sensors. Index needs an extra power supply, but I wonder if the Type-C wouldn't be enough (I think Type-C can provide up to 100 watts if needed), but I'll probably play it safe for a start and connect the Index to a second power source. 

    If this works - connecting Index and CV1 to the same rig, I'll be seriously short of USB 3 ports, lol (still have 2 ports in front of the case, but maybe they are shared with other ports). 
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  • Techy111Techy111 Posts: 6,735 Volunteer Moderator
    Buy a power hub ?
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 4,551 Valuable Player
    Techy111 said:
    Buy a power hub ?
    I don't think it'll be a problem - Index HMD has 3 connectors: Power, DisplayPort and USB. My thought was that I may not need the power connection when using USB 3.1 Type-C (supplies up to 20V, 5A) through an adapter (got one from my Samsung S10+, it should work). When using an RTX card it's possible to use VirtualLink supplying all the power to the Index that's why I think a normal Type-C should be able to provide enough power. But it may put a bigger burden on my PSU, maybe it's better to get some external power and play it safe for a start. 

    BTW, these are the normal connection options, the VirtualLink cable isn't included and sold out at the moment:

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  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 6,926 Valuable Player
    edited July 2019
    With all the faulty headsets launched recently I'm not even exited about my next VR headset. The excitement has being replaced with which headset should I buy and will I have to arse around sending it back due to faults.
  • AppaloosaHorseAppaloosaHorse Posts: 25
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    RedRizla said:
    With all the faulty headsets launched recently I'm not even exited about my next VR headset. The excitement has being replaced with which headset should I buy and will I have to arse around sending it back due to faults.
       I've had my Index for about a week. I've had no problems with it. It is my upgrade from the cv1. I would have bought a cv2 had it been available.  I'm very happy with the new HMD in all respects.  No problem with the joystick in Skyrim, great display, comfortable headset.  It has justified my purchase and I have not been tempted to go back to the rift.  I might have jumped ship but will watch with interest to see what Oculus comes up with beyond the rift-s.
  • pyroth309pyroth309 Posts: 1,576 Valuable Player
    edited July 2019

    Yobiwan29 said:
    I tried the Index for the first time today and I'm globally disappointed. I've got the left stick issue, it doesn't click well when pushing forward and it can loose the registered action so in arizona sunshine for example I may stop running if I push the stick right forward. Really annoying. There are others issues. The comfort of the knuckles are not as good as touch controllers. It doesn't feel natural at all and the sticks are difficult to reach.
    Let's talk about the headset itself now. The fov is comparable to Odyssey+, but with a slightly better horizontal fov. Nothing spectacular but really nice. It adds to immersion for sure. BUT... there is a big problem with the LCD panels on my device. I can see vertical lines of pixels on certain textures/colors when moving my head. Really, really annoying ! In Beat Saber it's very distracting. I tried to switch frequencies, changing resolution, steamVR beta but nothing helped.
    Too much for 1080€. Refund. I prefer my Rift S !
    Yea that sounds like a bad panel. I experienced nothing like that. 

    RedRizla said:
    With all the faulty headsets launched recently I'm not even exited about my next VR headset. The excitement has being replaced with which headset should I buy and will I have to arse around sending it back due to faults.
    It's disconcerting to say the least. 

    In another curve ball life has thrown me,  I reluctantly sold my Index. :D A friend made me an offer I couldn't refuse and I told him to put his money where his mouth is and show up with cash...well he did. I pointed out the issues I had to him and made sure he understood why I'd consider selling it but he still wanted it...so it got sold. 

    I'm jealous of the people that are not distracted by what I see and get completely blown away and immersed by it.

    Not sure what direction I'll go from here but I'm curious to read how others here perceive it. I still have a net positive opinion of the Index kit. A part of me wants to re-buy it and see if the lens is any better with a different unit but with my kids consuming more and more of my VR time lately I'm not sure that I will. 


  • LuciferousLuciferous Posts: 2,274 Valuable Player
    Happy Birthday Runes. Is it here yet? 😀
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