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The Index thread (please keep to subject)

Techy111
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As per the title, please respect the users who post here and keep it on topic, any nonsense and......grrr
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Shadowmask72
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Boneworks had a lot of hype surrounding it prior to the HL:Alyx announcement with some making a connection between the developers and Valve. I feel some of the wind-in-the-sails will now be diminished as a result. On one hand you have a game that looks like Garry's Mod in VR and the other a fully fledged AAA VR experience.  March 2020 isn't so far away.  :disappointed:


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RuneSR2
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Boneworks has gotten much attention by including Half-Life-ish content, but it could cause a backlash if people find out that you'll need a 2080 (Ti) to run the Index smoothly - and if the graphics don't look good... 
Valve has always taken great care to deliver incredible performance and image quality on modest rigs, but that's possible when you've got 50+ persons working on the same game for years - to my knowledge Boneworks devs don't have such ressources. Right now, Boneworks looks like Alyx' foreplay at best, lol. 

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Wildt
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Seems to me the devs went all in on physics, and when they realized there wasn't enough cpu left for dynamic lighting they had the choice between a thorough optimizing run, or just turning the damn thing off altogether.
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RuneSR2
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The devs are somewhat vague, but it seems they are saying there will be a toggle for dynamic lights - and Boneworks has its own subReddit, I just found out today - more about lighting here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/boneworks/comments/e0nm9q/first_trailers_showed_dynamic_shadows_now_no/

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kojack
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RuneSR2 said:

Boneworks has gotten much attention by including Half-Life-ish content, but it could cause a backlash if people find out that you'll need a 2080 (Ti) to run the Index smoothly - and if the graphics don't look good... 
Valve has always taken great care to deliver incredible performance and image quality on modest rigs, but that's possible when you've got 50+ persons working on the same game for years - to my knowledge Boneworks devs don't have such ressources. Right now, Boneworks looks like Alyx' foreplay at best, lol. 

Remember Half Life 2 shadows weren't that good. I always disliked Hl2's shadows because there was only a single light source (the sun) for all dynamic shadows (even indoors), the environmental lighting had no effect (it only affected baked shadows on the BSP walls). Seeing a crate cast a shadow that went in the wrong direction compared to a room's light source was off putting.



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RuneSR2
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Alyx may be about much more than great image quality - namely sound  B)

https://valvesoftware.github.io/steam-audio/

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RuneSR2
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RuneSR2 said:

Looks kinda cool (jump to 6:20 if my timestamp doesn't work):



https://youtu.be/qoQDMDP3rqU?t=380


The perfect fit, Valve didn't test the thumbsticks, and Tesla never tested the glass  😄

https://youtu.be/m7atGkba-Z8

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RuneSR2
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On Oculus subReddit some dude asked using a strawpoll "on which headset will you play half life Alyx"? The results are quite strange - note this is from the main Oculus subReddit forum:

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https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/e1cnff/strawpoll_on_which_headset_will_you_play_half/

The top three hmds are all non-Oculus hmds. In fact more than 75 % is made up of Index + Vive + WMR + Pimax! 

Kinda makes you wonder how many users who don't own an Oculus hmd are active in the Oculus subReddit... Hmmmm, btw, for long I've also been thinking that there's something strange and peculiar about the men in this video...

https://youtu.be/Iv4PFgOmAsI

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Luciferous
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More than likely they had an Oculus and jumped ship but like this forum still are members.

SkScotchegg
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That's a cool survey but I reckon you'd need a bigger pool of people to take part in the survey to see more realistic numbers.

I highly doubt more people will be playing Half Life Alyx on Index compared to people playing it on all three Oculus HMD's combined.

Even if you combine the numbers in this survey above it comes to 24% which puts Oculus in joint 2nd place with HTC Vive.

But I think if more people took part in this survey from the VR community I reckon Oculus would come out No.1 on the survey.

Also if Oculus announces CV2 soon and it also matches or exceeds Index specs and comes in between £600-£800 then surely that is checkmate for Oculus?

Every other company has already shown their cards. We just need to wait and see what Oculus pulls out the bag next. We're all waiting for CV2 and expecting CV2. If they come through with a CV2 which has the same specs as Index or better then I'm sure everyone will buy it and I'm 100% certain Oculus would never charge as much as Valve for their next HMD.

Just imagine in December just before Christmas if Oculus make a massive announcement:

Oculus "CV2 + Lone Echo 2 for £799" - Coming June 2020".

Then you'd save £120 on an Index. and have the same specs or better.

But actually I don't think it will be £799, I still think it will be closer to £600-£700.
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