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Oculus social features now require a linked Facebook account

nalex66nalex66 Posts: 5,529 Volunteer Moderator
edited December 2019 in General
Apparently, starting today, Oculus social features (friends list, parties, visiting people's Oculus Homes) will now require a linked Facebook account. This was already the case for some apps like Venues, and some features, like accessing your phone's camera roll in the Quest gallery. Going forward, new social features will demand a Facebook account, and now existing features will too.

Starting today, when you choose to log into Facebook from the Oculus Platform, you’ll be able to access new social features that make it easier for you to connect with other people, including:

  • Chats, so you can message your Oculus friends in or out of the headset with quick responses to hop into games together
  • Join your friends in VR directly from any device with links that open to where your friends are within an app, and see the most popular destinations where people are playing in VR
  • User-created Events, so you can organize meetups or multiplayer games with friends
  • Share photos, videos, and livestreaming to Facebook, allowing you to share your favorite moments to Facebook Groups from VR
  • Parties that any of your Oculus friends can join (previously parties were only invite-only)
  • Messenger friends can easily join you in VR when you send them links to join you where you’re playing

As these changes roll out and we make it easier for people to connect and build communities in VR, we’ll ask people to log into Facebook from the Oculus Platform to use both the new social features above, as well as existing social features like joining parties, adding friends, and visiting other people’s Homes. These features are already powered by Facebook, since Oculus is part of the Facebook family of apps. And now first-party social interactions on the Oculus Platform will be backed by Facebook identity, allowing us to help keep people safer in VR as we grow the social VR ecosystem.


Personally, I'm not excited to see this, but I guess it's not surprising. I've never had a FB account, and haven't been interested in creating one, but we'll see how it goes--the obvious answer is to create one just for Oculus-related activity and not populate it with a lot of personally identifying information.
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  • nalex66nalex66 Posts: 5,529 Volunteer Moderator
    I have an extensive Oculus friends list, and I've used Oculus parties to connect with people for MP games, so in the end I'll probably cave and create a FB account. I'm not thrilled about it, but I guess it's not that big a deal.
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  • kojackkojack Posts: 6,483 Volunteer Moderator
    I've never used parties and my friends list is 3 people, two of which are coworkers who bought a Go for a class but never use it and one is so I can get depressed about how bad I am at Audica.




  • Shadowmask72Shadowmask72 Posts: 4,132 Valuable Player
    I'll be your friend Kojack...except I never use the Oculus friends list. I think I visited a few peoples homes at one point but that was it. Unless you're a multiplayer gamer or love social activities then it's not something you notice when in VR especially if notifications are disabled. 

    "SassyWomen11 is now playing Beat Sabre".
    "MadMonk78 is now watching VR porn."
    "MadMonk78 has been watching VR porn for 3 hours".

     :o 


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  • kojackkojack Posts: 6,483 Volunteer Moderator
    I'll be your friend Kojack...



    Facebook is going to start targeting ads based on your Oculus activity if you attach a Facebook account.


  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 15,486 Valuable Player
    edited December 2019
    That's going to create a bit of a problem for me for my Rift, since I do not link my Oculus Account with my Facebook account on PCVR. I do, however, have it linked on my GO and Quest (under a separate username). I'll need to consider wtf to do for PCVR lol

    Although it doesn't surprise me, since Oculus is just a brand at this point and the technology itself is really... Facebook.

    With that in mind, the title of this thread would read,
    FacebookVR social features now require a linked Facebook account

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  • SpuzzumSpuzzum Posts: 843
    3Jane
    I purposely shut down my Facebook account due to harassing members of a family split down the middle. My family is a nightmare, constantly at odds with one another. I wanted nothing to do with it, so I shut it down, as even if I blocked them, they still found a way to send bitching messages. Even creating a new account...they still found me. So now, I can't even use Oculus Venues to watch a concert, even though it's not actually being broadcasted through Facebook itself.
  • intenseorangeintenseorange Posts: 3
    NerveGear
    I'm very upset with this. I'm already created another post. Its garbage that Facebook is making you create an account. I know I'm one person out of millions using this, and they wont care either way. But you know what, it really makes me want to get rid of it and leave.

    Cant we just have a small piece of our lives where we can be in another world and not be connected to instaface, and all the other things that pulkl our attention. Anyways, enough soapbox.
  • DaftnDirectDaftnDirect Posts: 5,822 Volunteer Moderator
    I have a Facebook account but very seldom use it. So far I've just shut down apps that ask for a Facebook link but was going to make an exception for Horizon. If it's now required for several apps, I may do what nalex suggested and create an account just for Oculus use, with no personal info at all on it.

    I just feel I want to keep friends and family stuff separate from Oculus stuff for now. Maybe that will change in the future.
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  • Shadowmask72Shadowmask72 Posts: 4,132 Valuable Player
    edited December 2019
     As Zenbane suggests. Forget Oculus now it's FACEBOOK VR. I think this was mentioned by me and others a year or so back in jest, the transformation is finally complete. I get the feeling lots of people are not going to be happy about this. Precisely Kojack.




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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 5,614 Valuable Player
    I actually do not have a Facebook account - never did - don't plan to get one ;)
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  • Hiro_Protag0nistHiro_Protag0nist Posts: 4,980 Valuable Player
    edited December 2019
    I think we should have known it.  It is a big deal and we all know there is no need to do this.

    Many of our customers will not use Oculus hardware because of the Facebook association.  Oculus just think they now have enough of the market that they can drop this stink bomb.

    You air a view that they don't agree with - you're out.
  • Hiro_Protag0nistHiro_Protag0nist Posts: 4,980 Valuable Player
     As Zenbane suggests. Forget Oculus now it's FACEBOOK VR. I think this was mentioned by me and others a year or so back in jest, the transformation is finally complete. I get the feeling lots of people are not going to be happy about this. Precisely Kojack.



    If Facebook came out with a VR headset 3 years ago it would have died an instant death with most people.  Sure a few mums and kids would have bought it, but hmmm....
  • RattyUKRattyUK Posts: 1,190
    Wintermute
    I do have a facebook account, I used to play a couple of the farming games until about 4 years ago...  Hibernated the account, made sure it was 'secured' (yet still have had about 5 notifications of 'unable to access') and it stays mothballed so far :)
    I think it was the use of Flash cookies that finally made me go "blah!" and shut it down, not wanting persistent cookies tracking every internet move in order to feed me advertising I don't want!
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  • DaftnDirectDaftnDirect Posts: 5,822 Volunteer Moderator
    edited December 2019
    kojack said:
    I don't mind if certain new facebook apps or features require facebook accounts (might be annoying, but not a major problem). To me the big issue here is that Facebook is removing features that existing users have, which is effectively punishing them for not contributing to ad views.
    This is a good point, for me it's not so much about whether we should think of the company as Oculus or Facebook, it's about how changes are forced on people in order to benefit the company, possibly at the expense of the user.

    If Facebook account linking remains limited to Facebook social apps then fair enough, I can definitely live with it, and as I say, I was kind of looking forward to trying out Horizon with my (pretty much dormant) Facebook account with a few select family members. Please though, don't introduce linking for Rift or Quest use globally, or for Oculus forum use!

    (YouTube rant to follow)
    Similar thing happened with YouTube app on my tablet and Sony Android TV a while back, an app update removed the ability to sign-off once you'd signed on, you can go incognito, but you can't sign off. The TV allows the original version of the app that came with the TV to be re-installed but not the tablet.

    Recommended YouTube vids are never vids that I'd choose to view but are always vids that YouTube can monetize, particularly music channels that lead to promotion of their music service. Every time I say I'm not interested in a music channel, it's replaced with another music channel recommendation. When you're signed-off, you just get recommendations based on your history alone.
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  • Shadowmask72Shadowmask72 Posts: 4,132 Valuable Player
    Interesting times we live in eh? If Orwell was still around he should write another book.


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  • RattyUKRattyUK Posts: 1,190
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    Interesting times we live in eh? If Orwell was still around he should write another book.

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  • nalex66nalex66 Posts: 5,529 Volunteer Moderator
    So I went ahead and created a barebones Facebook account, and linked it to my Oculus account. It has my name, date of birth, city of residence, and my Oculus avatar.

    The “People You May Know” thing comes up with some weird results when you haven’t confirmed any friends... it did show me people I actually know when I was first setting up the account, but now it’s all randos from around the world.

    Anyway, I don’t intend to use the account for anything, it’s just there to fulfill the requirement of being linked to my Oculus account, so I can continue to occasionally use the friends list and Oculus parties. As long as I don’t install the Facebook app on my phone or iPad, it shouldn’t be able to do too much harm.
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  • DaftnDirectDaftnDirect Posts: 5,822 Volunteer Moderator
    I'd like to use Horizon with family and friends but I don't really want forum member to know who I an unless I choose to let them.

    I mean I don't mind some forum friends know my details but I'd like to choose which ones. Say for instance someone gets pissed at being warned for something on the forum and decides to go searching for personal details to publish... someone got pissed in the past and started posting stuff on his social media. Really don't want to get into that stuff.

    (or if someone gets miffed at having there thread ignored for one of the same subject created by a mod ;) )
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  • nalex66nalex66 Posts: 5,529 Volunteer Moderator
    edited December 2019
    Your Oculus friends list is kept separate from your FB friends list, although you can choose to let FB friends auto-populate into your Oculus list. It’s not supposed to go the other way, so Oculus friends shouldn’t have easy access to your FB details, at least in theory. It remains to be seen whether someone could find a way to harass you via Oculus and have that spill over into your Facebook identity. 
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  • DaftnDirectDaftnDirect Posts: 5,822 Volunteer Moderator
    edited December 2019
    maybe I'm getting too paranoid... just wondering what list Horizon will use
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  • SpuzzumSpuzzum Posts: 843
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    kojack said:
    I don't mind if certain new facebook apps or features require facebook accounts (might be annoying, but not a major problem). To me the big issue here is that Facebook is removing features that existing users have, which is effectively punishing them for not contributing to ad views.


    Exactly...Facebook Horizons obviously needs a Facebook account, but Oculus Venues should not. This is basically social exclusion, which is a form of discrimination. An Oculus account should be all you need to access Oculus apps. If they wanted it to be exclusive to Facebook users, then they should have said that from the beginning.
  • nalex66nalex66 Posts: 5,529 Volunteer Moderator
    I guess I'll go ahead and re-install Venues, now that I can actually use it.
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  • kojackkojack Posts: 6,483 Volunteer Moderator
    maybe I'm getting too paranoid... just wondering what list Horizon will use
    Considering they are making adding friends to the oculus list require a facebook account anyway, I'm guessing eventually they will just make it use one system.

    We've had a good run over the last 5 years since the buyout, but I guess the push is on to change from "VR owned by a social network" to "VR for a social network".

  • nalex66nalex66 Posts: 5,529 Volunteer Moderator
    The idea of "one system" bothers me, if they do move in that direction. With some of the bullshit (like swatting) that goes on in gaming communities, I would definitely prefer to maintain some separation between that and my real identity.
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  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 7,173 Valuable Player
    edited December 2019
    I think the best way to stay safe online is not to create accounts telling every Tom, Dick and Harry who you are. I won't be creating a Facebook account if this is what it does. I know some other people were also concerned about having to do this when Facebook took over Oculus. I was lead to believe they were always going to keep Oculus PC -VR  and Facebook separate though. 

    I hate all this social media sfuff if I'm honest, it was only last month I found out my Mother was broadcasting to the world that she was going on holiday until I told her she had forgot to set the privacy setting correctly. So yeah, telling the whole country that the house would be empty for a week :D

    Hope it's only for social and chat and is not extended to game use. I don't use these social or chat apps so it won't bother me. I know it will be a problem for some people though.

    On a different note. I keep trying to empty my friends list, because I have friends of friends that keep trying to add me. I try to limit my friends list to people I've known on here for sometime.
  • intenseorangeintenseorange Posts: 3
    NerveGear
    They want the increased signups to their platform so they can say they are the best social media platform ever
  • ShowbizDonkeyShowbizDonkey Posts: 285 Oculus Staff
    Just jumping in quickly to note the following, as it seems to be a bit of a sticking point here:

    "Q: Will you show my real name from Facebook to my friends on Oculus without my permission?

    People on Oculus will only be able to find your Facebook real name if you enable this option in your privacy settings."

    This is towards the bottom of our big FAQ doc on this.

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