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  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 5,245 Valuable Player
    This level of intrusion seems to go against what was promised at the time of the acquisition - do we take it that because those executives have left the stage, the previous concerns can now be validated?
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  • Hiro_Protag0nistHiro_Protag0nist Posts: 4,980 Valuable Player
    kevinw729 said:
    This level of intrusion seems to go against what was promised at the time of the acquisition - do we take it that because those executives have left the stage, the previous concerns can now be validated?

    Probably.
  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 5,245 Valuable Player
    Probably.

    Seems some others feel the same way!


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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,656 Valuable Player
    It really isn't a problem tbh. Just create a dummy Facebook account. Job done.

    I've always had my Facebook account linked with my Oculus account so it's not going to make any difference to me personally, but if you have a problem with it just create a dummy account and don't go near the thing ever again.

    And anyone stressing out about the data that Facebook have access to is about 25 years too late. Google has probably known your inside leg measurement and what sort of porn you like to watch since the 90s.
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  • SpuzzumSpuzzum Posts: 843
    3Jane
    snowdog said:
    It really isn't a problem tbh. Just create a dummy Facebook account. Job done.

    I've always had my Facebook account linked with my Oculus account so it's not going to make any difference to me personally, but if you have a problem with it just create a dummy account and don't go near the thing ever again.

    And anyone stressing out about the data that Facebook have access to is about 25 years too late. Google has probably known your inside leg measurement and what sort of porn you like to watch since the 90s.

    I'm already using a fake last name on my last account, that's now dormant, because they don't actually let you delete your account anymore. So, with a 'new' fake account, what happens to all your previously purchased games, that are under your original 'authentic' Oculus account? That's what worries me. Or, if you can simply sign into Venues, without changing your Oculus account...alrighty then. Or if they let me make my original Facebook account invisible, then I'd be ok. But right now, if I reopen my account, I'd pop up on my friend's feeds, therefore, telling any stalkers I'm back online. Just imagine a battered woman, trying to stay hidden from an ex...should she be forced to open a Facebook account just to use an Oculus Quest? This is absolute bullshit.
  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 7,173 Valuable Player
    edited December 2019
    kojack said:
    maybe I'm getting too paranoid... just wondering what list Horizon will use
    Considering they are making adding friends to the oculus list require a facebook account anyway, I'm guessing eventually they will just make it use one system.

    We've had a good run over the last 5 years since the buyout, but I guess the push is on to change from "VR owned by a social network" to "VR for a social network".


    I'm a little confused. Are you saying we will have to have a facebook account if we already have a friends list created in Oculus Home for PC -VR? Even if we don't what to join these social apps in future? Does this mean that your Oculus account automatically becomes a facebook account or is this just for Oculus Quest and Oculus Rift S social apps?


  • kojackkojack Posts: 6,483 Volunteer Moderator
    RedRizla said:
    kojack said:
    maybe I'm getting too paranoid... just wondering what list Horizon will use
    Considering they are making adding friends to the oculus list require a facebook account anyway, I'm guessing eventually they will just make it use one system.

    We've had a good run over the last 5 years since the buyout, but I guess the push is on to change from "VR owned by a social network" to "VR for a social network".


    I'm a little confused. Are you saying we will have to have a facebook account if we already have a friends list that exists now on PC -VR? Even if we don't what to join these social apps in future? Does this mean that your Oculus PC -VR account automatically becomes a facebook account or is this just for Oculus Quest social apps?

    From the Oculus blog: "we’ll ask people to log into Facebook from the Oculus Platform to use both the new social features above, as well as existing social features like joining parties, adding friends, and visiting other people’s Homes."

    They also say that the existing friends list will remain separate from the facebook friends list, but the above sounds like to add new friends you'll need facebook.

  • kevinw729kevinw729 Posts: 5,245 Valuable Player
    edited December 2019
    Always stirring the pot Kevin or in this case boiled frog.   :D

    Classic!  B)
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  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,656 Valuable Player
    Spuzzum said:
    snowdog said:
    It really isn't a problem tbh. Just create a dummy Facebook account. Job done.

    I've always had my Facebook account linked with my Oculus account so it's not going to make any difference to me personally, but if you have a problem with it just create a dummy account and don't go near the thing ever again.

    And anyone stressing out about the data that Facebook have access to is about 25 years too late. Google has probably known your inside leg measurement and what sort of porn you like to watch since the 90s.

    I'm already using a fake last name on my last account, that's now dormant, because they don't actually let you delete your account anymore. So, with a 'new' fake account, what happens to all your previously purchased games, that are under your original 'authentic' Oculus account? That's what worries me. Or, if you can simply sign into Venues, without changing your Oculus account...alrighty then. Or if they let me make my original Facebook account invisible, then I'd be ok. But right now, if I reopen my account, I'd pop up on my friend's feeds, therefore, telling any stalkers I'm back online. Just imagine a battered woman, trying to stay hidden from an ex...should she be forced to open a Facebook account just to use an Oculus Quest? This is absolute bullshit.

    An Oculus account != a Facebook account. They're separate things. Oculus/Facebook are saying that you need a Facebook account to be linked to your existing Oculus account to take part in online features in the future. So you stick with your current Oculus account that you're using, go to Facebook and create an account under an assumed name (Fred Bloggs) and link it to your Oculus account. So when you log in to your Oculus account it's associated with your dummy Facebook account.

    If you're a battered woman then that ex will be looking for Mrs Jane Doe, not Mr Fred Bloggs.
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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 15,486 Valuable Player
    I already created my dummy Facebook account  to help with this situation. In my case, I have 2 facebook accounts now. My real one for family, friends, co-workers. And my Zenbane one. Time to go link 'em!

    Considering what smart phones, alexa, and satellites in space are doing... I have little concern over privacy. I just prefer to pick and choose which consumers can obtain personal information from me. I find the general public to be far more evil than governments and corporations. It is the general public, afterall, who elects government officials and buys the corporate products. But I digress!
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  • OmegaM4NOmegaM4N Posts: 810
    3Jane
    edited December 2019

    snowdog said:
    Spuzzum said:
    snowdog said:
    It really isn't a problem tbh. Just create a dummy Facebook account. Job done.

    I've always had my Facebook account linked with my Oculus account so it's not going to make any difference to me personally, but if you have a problem with it just create a dummy account and don't go near the thing ever again.

    And anyone stressing out about the data that Facebook have access to is about 25 years too late. Google has probably known your inside leg measurement and what sort of porn you like to watch since the 90s.

    I'm already using a fake last name on my last account, that's now dormant, because they don't actually let you delete your account anymore. So, with a 'new' fake account, what happens to all your previously purchased games, that are under your original 'authentic' Oculus account? That's what worries me. Or, if you can simply sign into Venues, without changing your Oculus account...alrighty then. Or if they let me make my original Facebook account invisible, then I'd be ok. But right now, if I reopen my account, I'd pop up on my friend's feeds, therefore, telling any stalkers I'm back online. Just imagine a battered woman, trying to stay hidden from an ex...should she be forced to open a Facebook account just to use an Oculus Quest? This is absolute bullshit.

    An Oculus account != a Facebook account. They're separate things. Oculus/Facebook are saying that you need a Facebook account to be linked to your existing Oculus account to take part in online features in the future. So you stick with your current Oculus account that you're using, go to Facebook and create an account under an assumed name (Fred Bloggs) and link it to your Oculus account. So when you log in to your Oculus account it's associated with your dummy Facebook account.

    If you're a battered woman then that ex will be looking for Mrs Jane Doe, not Mr Fred Bloggs.

    My only worry with this is that the fake FB account will just leech all your real personal details anyway once your real Oculus VR account is linked to it,  so what you will have is a fake FB account that will have access to your real oculus account and all your personal info, location, payment details, transactions and so on. :/

    Personally for me i have no interest in any kind of FB account, fake or real, but at this point i only have the CV1 which is out of warrenty, and despite having the quest and S in my Argos trolley on numerous occasions i did not drop the hammer on either, so by luck i may have dodged a bullet, oh well. lol

  • nalex66nalex66 Posts: 5,529 Volunteer Moderator
    edited December 2019
    OmegaM4N said:
    My only worry with this is that the fake FB account will just leech all your real personal details anyway once your real Oculus VR account is linked to it,  so what you will have is a fake FB account that will have access to your real oculus account and all your personal info, location, payment details, transactions and so on. :/

    Personally for me i have no interest in any kind of FB account, fake or real, but at this point i only have the CV1 which is out of warrenty, and despite having the quest and S in my Argos trolley on numerous occasions i did not drop the hammer on either, so by luck i may have dodged a bullet, oh well. lol

    Facebook, as the owner of Oculus, already has access to any details that exist in association with your Oculus account. My new FB account has nothing that they don't already know about me--my name, email address, age, city of residence, and the same profile pic that I use here. As long as you don't go posting all your personal details and photos, you have nothing to lose.

    It may be a stickier situation for people who already use Facebook and don't want that identity linked to their Oculus identity, since FB doesn't allow multiple accounts. Creating a fake account with a different name will change the real name associated with your Oculus account, and may get deleted at any time by FB if they determine that you have multiple accounts.

    Of course, if you already use FB, then you've already accepted them having your info, so I'm not sure what the issue is with it being linked to your Oculus identity--it doesn't seem that this link in any way exposes your FB identity to your Oculus friends without your consent.

    I've personally never wanted to use Facebook, but creating an account that is just an extension of my Oculus account doesn't really create any problems for me, so I went ahead and did it. It doesn't mean I have to start posting everything about my life to it.
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  • OmegaM4NOmegaM4N Posts: 810
    3Jane
    ^^Well if you are happy with it then it won't be a issue for you, but i personally see no real benefits for end users who have enjoyed their CV1 online and single players with no issues since launch FB free, but as i said i don't really have a pony in this show anymore as my CV1 is out of warrenty and thankfully i did not crumble and grab a Quest or S, so if it becomes a mandatory requirement to access your oculus VR digital library then it looks like i will just have to take a hit i suppose, but such is lifes rich tapestry, we live and learn. ;)

  • nalex66nalex66 Posts: 5,529 Volunteer Moderator
    Well, I didn't say I was happy about it, and I don't see any real benefit for users either, but I also don't see the need to make it out to be worse than it is.

    For people who just want to play alone and don't care about social features, nothing has really changed. They can continue as they were with no linked FB account. For people who don't use FB but do want the features that are now locked behind a FB login, it's a bit of an annoyance to have to create another account, but the sky is not falling, and your privacy isn't compromised. You don't need to provide any more information to create a FB account than you've already provided by creating an Oculus account.
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  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 7,173 Valuable Player
    I just hope they don't make it that you have to create a facebook account just to play single player games in future. Anyways, I just purged my friends list of everyone now because it's become a bit pointless if going forward I will have to create another account. I mainly play on my own so hopefully it won't cause me any problems going forward.
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 15,486 Valuable Player
    Yep. As nalex said, anyone who has been using an Oculus product has already been part of Facebook's data collection. Adding a fake/dummy FB account doesn't expose you to FB any further than what you were already doing. Also keep in mind that Facebook purchases 3rd party collection data from just about every other company that collects info on you. So even if you don't use Oculus products nor any Facebook products, they still have data about you.

    The only real concern should be opening up your privacy to the general public (e.g. people you don't know in real life, and people you may not want to share with). But his is where the Privacy Settings come in to play.
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  • SpuzzumSpuzzum Posts: 843
    3Jane
    snowdog said:
    Spuzzum said:
    snowdog said:
    It really isn't a problem tbh. Just create a dummy Facebook account. Job done.

    I've always had my Facebook account linked with my Oculus account so it's not going to make any difference to me personally, but if you have a problem with it just create a dummy account and don't go near the thing ever again.

    And anyone stressing out about the data that Facebook have access to is about 25 years too late. Google has probably known your inside leg measurement and what sort of porn you like to watch since the 90s.

    I'm already using a fake last name on my last account, that's now dormant, because they don't actually let you delete your account anymore. So, with a 'new' fake account, what happens to all your previously purchased games, that are under your original 'authentic' Oculus account? That's what worries me. Or, if you can simply sign into Venues, without changing your Oculus account...alrighty then. Or if they let me make my original Facebook account invisible, then I'd be ok. But right now, if I reopen my account, I'd pop up on my friend's feeds, therefore, telling any stalkers I'm back online. Just imagine a battered woman, trying to stay hidden from an ex...should she be forced to open a Facebook account just to use an Oculus Quest? This is absolute bullshit.

    An Oculus account != a Facebook account. They're separate things. Oculus/Facebook are saying that you need a Facebook account to be linked to your existing Oculus account to take part in online features in the future. So you stick with your current Oculus account that you're using, go to Facebook and create an account under an assumed name (Fred Bloggs) and link it to your Oculus account. So when you log in to your Oculus account it's associated with your dummy Facebook account.

    If you're a battered woman then that ex will be looking for Mrs Jane Doe, not Mr Fred Bloggs.

    It needed the same name as the Oculus account. I made a new FB account using a fake last name, then went to link my Oculus account to the FB account, and was greeted with a login, with my Oculus account name listed. They needed to match. So I then changed the last name on the new FB account to my real last name, then made it as invisible as possible...made sure everything modifiable was set to 'only me', including birth date and city I live.

    As for the battered woman and a fake name...they found me with a fake name within 2 days. If you don't have friends, then that's fine, but as soon as you have friends, you show up in their feeds, and their list of friends. That's how they track you down.
  • JedichicaJedichica Posts: 1
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    Bought a quest about 2 months ago and last week bought one for my sister who lives on the other side of the country. Tried to use the social features last night with her and I’m blocked from doing it without creating a Facebook account. I deactivated my account years ago for personal reasons and will not be reactivating it. 

    For me, I accepted Facebook would have my data through my oculus account. i accepted i wouldn’t be able to use Facebook features. My issue is I want no part of being accessible to people via Facebook and I don’t want to be part of Facebook. 

    Honestly have personally bought two of these and likely have sold 3 more for Oculus by showing it off to people.  this question comes up pretty often. Really disappointed right now. 😕




  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,656 Valuable Player
    Spuzzum said:
    snowdog said:
    Spuzzum said:
    snowdog said:
    It really isn't a problem tbh. Just create a dummy Facebook account. Job done.

    I've always had my Facebook account linked with my Oculus account so it's not going to make any difference to me personally, but if you have a problem with it just create a dummy account and don't go near the thing ever again.

    And anyone stressing out about the data that Facebook have access to is about 25 years too late. Google has probably known your inside leg measurement and what sort of porn you like to watch since the 90s.

    I'm already using a fake last name on my last account, that's now dormant, because they don't actually let you delete your account anymore. So, with a 'new' fake account, what happens to all your previously purchased games, that are under your original 'authentic' Oculus account? That's what worries me. Or, if you can simply sign into Venues, without changing your Oculus account...alrighty then. Or if they let me make my original Facebook account invisible, then I'd be ok. But right now, if I reopen my account, I'd pop up on my friend's feeds, therefore, telling any stalkers I'm back online. Just imagine a battered woman, trying to stay hidden from an ex...should she be forced to open a Facebook account just to use an Oculus Quest? This is absolute bullshit.

    An Oculus account != a Facebook account. They're separate things. Oculus/Facebook are saying that you need a Facebook account to be linked to your existing Oculus account to take part in online features in the future. So you stick with your current Oculus account that you're using, go to Facebook and create an account under an assumed name (Fred Bloggs) and link it to your Oculus account. So when you log in to your Oculus account it's associated with your dummy Facebook account.

    If you're a battered woman then that ex will be looking for Mrs Jane Doe, not Mr Fred Bloggs.

    It needed the same name as the Oculus account. I made a new FB account using a fake last name, then went to link my Oculus account to the FB account, and was greeted with a login, with my Oculus account name listed. They needed to match. So I then changed the last name on the new FB account to my real last name, then made it as invisible as possible...made sure everything modifiable was set to 'only me', including birth date and city I live.

    As for the battered woman and a fake name...they found me with a fake name within 2 days. If you don't have friends, then that's fine, but as soon as you have friends, you show up in their feeds, and their list of friends. That's how they track you down.

    It doesn't need the same name as your Oculus account as far as I remember. My Oculus account name is snowdog, my Facebook account name is Harv Setterfield.

    Zenbane has created a second Facebook name without a problem.

    And the whole point of setting up a dummy Facebook account is to NOT have any friends associated with it. Jane Doe's friends and Jane Doe's ex husband won't have a clue that Fred Bloggs exists if she doesn't tell anyone about it.

    Am I missing something here?
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  • SpuzzumSpuzzum Posts: 843
    3Jane
    snowdog said:
    Spuzzum said:
    snowdog said:
    Spuzzum said:
    snowdog said:
    It really isn't a problem tbh. Just create a dummy Facebook account. Job done.

    I've always had my Facebook account linked with my Oculus account so it's not going to make any difference to me personally, but if you have a problem with it just create a dummy account and don't go near the thing ever again.

    And anyone stressing out about the data that Facebook have access to is about 25 years too late. Google has probably known your inside leg measurement and what sort of porn you like to watch since the 90s.

    I'm already using a fake last name on my last account, that's now dormant, because they don't actually let you delete your account anymore. So, with a 'new' fake account, what happens to all your previously purchased games, that are under your original 'authentic' Oculus account? That's what worries me. Or, if you can simply sign into Venues, without changing your Oculus account...alrighty then. Or if they let me make my original Facebook account invisible, then I'd be ok. But right now, if I reopen my account, I'd pop up on my friend's feeds, therefore, telling any stalkers I'm back online. Just imagine a battered woman, trying to stay hidden from an ex...should she be forced to open a Facebook account just to use an Oculus Quest? This is absolute bullshit.

    An Oculus account != a Facebook account. They're separate things. Oculus/Facebook are saying that you need a Facebook account to be linked to your existing Oculus account to take part in online features in the future. So you stick with your current Oculus account that you're using, go to Facebook and create an account under an assumed name (Fred Bloggs) and link it to your Oculus account. So when you log in to your Oculus account it's associated with your dummy Facebook account.

    If you're a battered woman then that ex will be looking for Mrs Jane Doe, not Mr Fred Bloggs.

    It needed the same name as the Oculus account. I made a new FB account using a fake last name, then went to link my Oculus account to the FB account, and was greeted with a login, with my Oculus account name listed. They needed to match. So I then changed the last name on the new FB account to my real last name, then made it as invisible as possible...made sure everything modifiable was set to 'only me', including birth date and city I live.

    As for the battered woman and a fake name...they found me with a fake name within 2 days. If you don't have friends, then that's fine, but as soon as you have friends, you show up in their feeds, and their list of friends. That's how they track you down.

    It doesn't need the same name as your Oculus account as far as I remember. My Oculus account name is snowdog, my Facebook account name is Harv Setterfield.

    Zenbane has created a second Facebook name without a problem.

    And the whole point of setting up a dummy Facebook account is to NOT have any friends associated with it. Jane Doe's friends and Jane Doe's ex husband won't have a clue that Fred Bloggs exists if she doesn't tell anyone about it.

    Am I missing something here?

    When I linked my account, I did it through the Oculus app on the pc. I guess I made a mistake somewhere then.

    As for the Jane Doe and her ex...the whole point of being on Facebook is to interact with friends and family. As soon as she changes her account, and reconnects with her friends, it shows on their feed as X just became friends with Y. Then if your stalker knows you, they know your friends. They just have to wait and see when your friends all become friends with the same person again.
  • snowdogsnowdog Posts: 7,656 Valuable Player
    Spuzzum said:
    snowdog said:
    Spuzzum said:
    snowdog said:
    Spuzzum said:
    snowdog said:
    It really isn't a problem tbh. Just create a dummy Facebook account. Job done.

    I've always had my Facebook account linked with my Oculus account so it's not going to make any difference to me personally, but if you have a problem with it just create a dummy account and don't go near the thing ever again.

    And anyone stressing out about the data that Facebook have access to is about 25 years too late. Google has probably known your inside leg measurement and what sort of porn you like to watch since the 90s.

    I'm already using a fake last name on my last account, that's now dormant, because they don't actually let you delete your account anymore. So, with a 'new' fake account, what happens to all your previously purchased games, that are under your original 'authentic' Oculus account? That's what worries me. Or, if you can simply sign into Venues, without changing your Oculus account...alrighty then. Or if they let me make my original Facebook account invisible, then I'd be ok. But right now, if I reopen my account, I'd pop up on my friend's feeds, therefore, telling any stalkers I'm back online. Just imagine a battered woman, trying to stay hidden from an ex...should she be forced to open a Facebook account just to use an Oculus Quest? This is absolute bullshit.

    An Oculus account != a Facebook account. They're separate things. Oculus/Facebook are saying that you need a Facebook account to be linked to your existing Oculus account to take part in online features in the future. So you stick with your current Oculus account that you're using, go to Facebook and create an account under an assumed name (Fred Bloggs) and link it to your Oculus account. So when you log in to your Oculus account it's associated with your dummy Facebook account.

    If you're a battered woman then that ex will be looking for Mrs Jane Doe, not Mr Fred Bloggs.

    It needed the same name as the Oculus account. I made a new FB account using a fake last name, then went to link my Oculus account to the FB account, and was greeted with a login, with my Oculus account name listed. They needed to match. So I then changed the last name on the new FB account to my real last name, then made it as invisible as possible...made sure everything modifiable was set to 'only me', including birth date and city I live.

    As for the battered woman and a fake name...they found me with a fake name within 2 days. If you don't have friends, then that's fine, but as soon as you have friends, you show up in their feeds, and their list of friends. That's how they track you down.

    It doesn't need the same name as your Oculus account as far as I remember. My Oculus account name is snowdog, my Facebook account name is Harv Setterfield.

    Zenbane has created a second Facebook name without a problem.

    And the whole point of setting up a dummy Facebook account is to NOT have any friends associated with it. Jane Doe's friends and Jane Doe's ex husband won't have a clue that Fred Bloggs exists if she doesn't tell anyone about it.

    Am I missing something here?

    When I linked my account, I did it through the Oculus app on the pc. I guess I made a mistake somewhere then.

    As for the Jane Doe and her ex...the whole point of being on Facebook is to interact with friends and family. As soon as she changes her account, and reconnects with her friends, it shows on their feed as X just became friends with Y. Then if your stalker knows you, they know your friends. They just have to wait and see when your friends all become friends with the same person again.

    This is why Jane Doe needs to make a DUMMY account. She can keep her Jane Doe account with all of her friends intact and create a separate account under the name of Fred Bloggs. Zenbane has done it so I can't see why Jane Doe can't do the same.
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  • SpuzzumSpuzzum Posts: 843
    3Jane
    edited December 2019
    snowdog said:
    Spuzzum said:
    snowdog said:
    Spuzzum said:
    snowdog said:
    Spuzzum said:
    snowdog said:
    It really isn't a problem tbh. Just create a dummy Facebook account. Job done.

    I've always had my Facebook account linked with my Oculus account so it's not going to make any difference to me personally, but if you have a problem with it just create a dummy account and don't go near the thing ever again.

    And anyone stressing out about the data that Facebook have access to is about 25 years too late. Google has probably known your inside leg measurement and what sort of porn you like to watch since the 90s.

    I'm already using a fake last name on my last account, that's now dormant, because they don't actually let you delete your account anymore. So, with a 'new' fake account, what happens to all your previously purchased games, that are under your original 'authentic' Oculus account? That's what worries me. Or, if you can simply sign into Venues, without changing your Oculus account...alrighty then. Or if they let me make my original Facebook account invisible, then I'd be ok. But right now, if I reopen my account, I'd pop up on my friend's feeds, therefore, telling any stalkers I'm back online. Just imagine a battered woman, trying to stay hidden from an ex...should she be forced to open a Facebook account just to use an Oculus Quest? This is absolute bullshit.

    An Oculus account != a Facebook account. They're separate things. Oculus/Facebook are saying that you need a Facebook account to be linked to your existing Oculus account to take part in online features in the future. So you stick with your current Oculus account that you're using, go to Facebook and create an account under an assumed name (Fred Bloggs) and link it to your Oculus account. So when you log in to your Oculus account it's associated with your dummy Facebook account.

    If you're a battered woman then that ex will be looking for Mrs Jane Doe, not Mr Fred Bloggs.

    It needed the same name as the Oculus account. I made a new FB account using a fake last name, then went to link my Oculus account to the FB account, and was greeted with a login, with my Oculus account name listed. They needed to match. So I then changed the last name on the new FB account to my real last name, then made it as invisible as possible...made sure everything modifiable was set to 'only me', including birth date and city I live.

    As for the battered woman and a fake name...they found me with a fake name within 2 days. If you don't have friends, then that's fine, but as soon as you have friends, you show up in their feeds, and their list of friends. That's how they track you down.

    It doesn't need the same name as your Oculus account as far as I remember. My Oculus account name is snowdog, my Facebook account name is Harv Setterfield.

    Zenbane has created a second Facebook name without a problem.

    And the whole point of setting up a dummy Facebook account is to NOT have any friends associated with it. Jane Doe's friends and Jane Doe's ex husband won't have a clue that Fred Bloggs exists if she doesn't tell anyone about it.

    Am I missing something here?

    When I linked my account, I did it through the Oculus app on the pc. I guess I made a mistake somewhere then.

    As for the Jane Doe and her ex...the whole point of being on Facebook is to interact with friends and family. As soon as she changes her account, and reconnects with her friends, it shows on their feed as X just became friends with Y. Then if your stalker knows you, they know your friends. They just have to wait and see when your friends all become friends with the same person again.

    This is why Jane Doe needs to make a DUMMY account. She can keep her Jane Doe account with all of her friends intact and create a separate account under the name of Fred Bloggs. Zenbane has done it so I can't see why Jane Doe can't do the same.

    Well, the idea was to delete the first account, then create a new account. Never thought of it that way. Especially since that would require a new email, which would be a hassle. For a throw away account just for vr, sure, but not for real life. Unless you forwarded any FB messages to that email account to your real email.
  • SpuzzumSpuzzum Posts: 843
    3Jane
    btw...Eric For President says he had similar issues trying to link a FB account with a different email as well, so it wasn't just me.
  • NeloDiavoloNeloDiavolo Posts: 42
    Brain Burst
    edited December 2019
    None too pleased that this is happening. Good thing my only friend on Oculus is all I need. Going forward I think I will just play my single player experiences and Multiplayer games with my only friend that are in my library. I may pick up a title or two for my Rift and Quest here and there ,but I have no intention to link a Facebook account.

    And just yesterday a Facebook employee had several hard drives stolen from their car. And guess what, those drives were not encrypted! While the drives only contained employee information, if this is how they treat sensitive data for people who work for them, I have no faith in their ability to keep our info safe. 

    Like the other person said, it has been a good run. But I already have a decent VR library on Steam and most likely jump ship to Steam VR hardware in the coming year. 
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 15,486 Valuable Player
    snowdog said:
    This is why Jane Doe needs to make a DUMMY account. She can keep her Jane Doe account with all of her friends intact and create a separate account under the name of Fred Bloggs. Zenbane has done it so I can't see why Jane Doe can't do the same.

    Yep! My accounts are linked, with two entirely different names. My Zenbane account on Oculus has one name (e.g. John Wick) and my dummy Facebook account has an entirely different name (e.g. Clark Kent).

    It linked just fine.
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  • RiotsuRiotsu Posts: 18
    NerveGear
    Facebook has been going downhill for years now, and since they acquired oculus it is going down with it.  They aren't pulling this off for social convenience or for our "safety," they're doing this to turn gamers into products who's data they can trade with any business that will buy the information.  Facebook has been doing a great job of guaranteeing I don't purchase anymore oculus products.
  • edmgedmg Posts: 1,158
    Wintermute
    It was obvious that Facebook bought Oculus in order to create Facebook VR; it's the perfect 'social media' interface, and they want to be the ones who own social media in VR. I wouldn't particularly care if it was only required for doing Facebook VR stuff.

    But given they're requiring a Facebook login for things other than Facebook, I will now be thinking carefully about whether I buy another Oculus product. I was planning to get a Rift S when I upgrade my PC next year, but I'll definitely be looking at the alternatives.
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