New to the forums? Click here to read the "How To" Guide.

Developer? Click here to go to the Developer Forums.

The Official "Books Worth Reading" Thread

13

Comments

  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 15,019 Valuable Player
    edited October 2019
    I finished Book 2 of the Name of the Wind series. I am really enjoying it, but I do have some friendly gripes about it that I figured I would share here. Specifically because the gripes are related to the reason I started this thread to begin with.

    I consider the Sword of Truth series one of the greatest of all time (except for the ending, that part sucked). And I find it hard to read other novels since either:
    • They are not good enough
    • They are not original enough
    The Name of the Wind series falls in to category two. While the story is well written and entertaining, it shares way too much in common with the Sword of Truth:
    • The plot revolves around a male character
    • The main character begins by losing his family
    • The main character first develops a relationship with a wise old man
    • The main character learns magic accidentally (it was inherent)
    • After learning magic, the main character spends time with a tribe learning advanced combat
    • Both characters end up in a lengthy side-quest where they spend time alone with a woman. In Sword of Truth, the character learns the art of pain from her. In the Name of the Wind, the character learns the art of sex from her.
    • The main character is chasing an enemy that is the most powerful evil in history.
    I plan to read every book in the Name of the Wind series. I'm not trying to trash it. But as my primary criticism, it is very "Sword of Truth formula." I do feel that most stories available copy some working formula.

    Having said all that, I have now moved on to Mistborn. And so far I love it! There are multiple main characters as far as I can tell. Multiple plots, all simultaneous. And there is nothing formulaic about any of it. At least not yet! This may very well be the series I was looking for. Time will tell!

    Are you a fan of the Myst games? Check out my Mod at http://www.mystrock.com/
    Catch me on Twitter: twitter.com/zenbane
  • LuciferousLuciferous Posts: 2,313 Valuable Player
    edited October 2019
    Brandon Sanderson also wrote another good series called the stormlight archive. I think mist born was his best but this one comes a close second.

    He seems to have the knack for fleshing out worlds and magical laws.


  • JeremyC85JeremyC85 Posts: 334
    Trinity
    Brandon Sanderson also wrote another good series called the stormlight archive. I think mist born was his best but this one comes a close second.

    He seems to have the knack for fleshing out worlds and magical laws.


    hes one of the best for sure. Just be forewarned, the Stormlight Archive is planned to be 10 books and only the first three are out! 
  • JeremyC85JeremyC85 Posts: 334
    Trinity
    Zenbane said:

    Having said all that, I have now moved on to Mistborn. And so far I love it! There are multiple main characters as far as I can tell. Multiple plots, all simultaneous. And there is nothing formulaic about any of it. At least not yet! This may very well be the series I was looking for. Time will tell!

    great choice! One of the best series around. Once you're done, he has a few additional books in the same universe that you can read. 
  • LuciferousLuciferous Posts: 2,313 Valuable Player
    edited October 2019
    Yes good point, Mistborn is a trilogy but I have read all the other books that come after in the same universe and they are equally as good.

    List here on his website:-

    https://brandonsanderson.com/books/#book

    I have read from Storm Light Archive:

    Way of Kings
    Words OF Radiance
    Oath Bringer

    Edge Dancer - kind of an offshoot.

     Didn't realise there were 10 intended in total which is great news. The guy is a book writing machine :)

    I was thinking of starting the Steel heart series as the plot reminds me of the recent Amazon series 'The Boys' 
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 15,019 Valuable Player
    Great info. At this rate, I'll end up reading most - if not all of those recommendations. Having them on Audible is a huge plus. I listen to these books on my wireless headphones while: cooking, cleaning, driving, and especially while working out at the gym. I spend close to 2 hours at the gym, about 3-4 times a week. And all I listen to are Audio books. It has been many years since I have enjoyed a good series of books. Feels great to return to some quality story-telling.
    Are you a fan of the Myst games? Check out my Mod at http://www.mystrock.com/
    Catch me on Twitter: twitter.com/zenbane
  • TadinTadin Posts: 317
    Trinity
    JeremyC85 said:
    Brandon Sanderson also wrote another good series called the stormlight archive. I think mist born was his best but this one comes a close second.

    He seems to have the knack for fleshing out worlds and magical laws.


    hes one of the best for sure. Just be forewarned, the Stormlight Archive is planned to be 10 books and only the first three are out! 
    I picked up the Wheel of Time series as a trilogy in 1991 and it was over 20 years until the entire series was complete, so be ready to re-read all the previous books every time a new one comes out..... Great series though !
  • JeremyC85JeremyC85 Posts: 334
    Trinity

    I was thinking of starting the Steel heart series as the plot reminds me of the recent Amazon series 'The Boys' 
    Another good series, I'd give it a very solid B+ with mist born being an A+

    If you like Sanderson, you will love anything by Mark Lawrence. His prince of thorns trilogy might be the best I've ever read. Ever. 
  • LuciferousLuciferous Posts: 2,313 Valuable Player
    So you think prince of thorns trilogy is better than Mistborn? I'll probably look them up then.
  • JeremyC85JeremyC85 Posts: 334
    Trinity
    So you think prince of thorns trilogy is better than Mistborn? I'll probably look them up then.
    Honestly it's close, but yes. Prince of thorns is the best series I've ever read. It's unlike anything I've read before. If your going to get that series, do yourself a favor and do NOT read nay spoilers. There are a few HUGE twists that can be easily ruined 
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 15,019 Valuable Player
    Prince of Thorns sounds like something I may need to read next. I am very much hunting for that "unlike anything I've read before."

    I finished Book 1 of Mistborn. I was very addicted to that story and its characters. Much of it was unpredictable, and there was a very large amount of original material.

    This series (and writer?) is known for the elaborate way of describing magic systems. I really enjoyed that part. Although, truth be told, about halfway through I realized that the idea of Allomancy in Mistborn is very similar to how abilities work in the world of Naruto:
    • Burning Allomantic metals is akin to using up Chakra.
    • Each "type" of Allomantic metal is akin to the various "natures" of Chakra.
    • The relationship between a Misting vs a Mistborn is similar to the relationship between someone who uses Jutsu vs someone who has a Kekkei Genkai.
    • The methods to learn and master Allomancy is very similar to mastering various Jutsu.

    I'm a huge fan of the Naruto franchise so the similarities tend to stand out. But other than that, I found Mistborn to be just what I needed. I've already purchased Book 2 & 3.
    Are you a fan of the Myst games? Check out my Mod at http://www.mystrock.com/
    Catch me on Twitter: twitter.com/zenbane
  • LuciferousLuciferous Posts: 2,313 Valuable Player
    JeremyC85 said:
    So you think prince of thorns trilogy is better than Mistborn? I'll probably look them up then.
    Honestly it's close, but yes. Prince of thorns is the best series I've ever read. It's unlike anything I've read before. If your going to get that series, do yourself a favor and do NOT read nay spoilers. There are a few HUGE twists that can be easily ruined 
    @JeremyC85 As we are talking about books unlike any other, have you read 'The book of the new Sun' trilogy by Gene Wolfe ? Not sure I would recommend it to everyone, it is the most strange and at the same time incredible series I have ever read. Deep and weird doesn't come close to describe it.

    By the way just started Prince of Thorns.
  • JeremyC85JeremyC85 Posts: 334
    Trinity
    No, I've never heard of it... Checking it out on Amazon now! It will be awhile though as I'm currently reading the "traitor son cycle" and have two books to go. 

    Awesome that your reading the prince of thorns! Please let me know what you think 
  • LuciferousLuciferous Posts: 2,313 Valuable Player
    edited November 2019
    Don't want to recommend 'The Book of the New Sun' because it is so strange, not sure everybody would like it.

    So far enjoying Prince of Thorns and wondering where the hell it is going, it certainly starts with an unusual protagonist.

    At the moment I feel like I am following Joffrey's origin story from game of thrones lol 

  • LuciferousLuciferous Posts: 2,313 Valuable Player
    edited November 2019
    Ok listened the Prince of Thorns and it is a very good book. Must admit took me few chapters to get into it, as it is a very different kind of hero and I had no idea where the author was going with it. I'll definitely be getting the next two, thanks for recommendation.

    Funny me mentioning Joffrey before, they actual say it is a game of thrones in the book. Not sure if it was written before or after?

  • RattyUKRattyUK Posts: 1,109
    Wintermute
    Harry Harrison's Deathworld Trilogy & Stainless Steel Rat Series
    All of @snowdog list
    All of Anne McCaffery's books...  But the Pern (Dragon) books especially...
    Many of the previous mentioned here too are excellent.
    PC info: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, MSI MPG X570 Edge, 16GB Tforce Pro Dark DDR4 3200, KFA2 RTX 2080 Super, Samsung 870 Pro M.2, 2x 240GB SSD, 3TB WD Green HDD & 4 TB Seagate Barracuda HDD, Antec Modular 750w PSU, custom watercooling loop. (Win 10 Pro & Opensuse Leap 15.1 Linux) 32" AOC 4K Monitor.
    Rift S
    Laptop: Aorus X5 V6-CF1 (I7-6820HK, GTX 1070, 2* 256GB M.2 NVME, 1TB 7200 HDD)
  • LuciferousLuciferous Posts: 2,313 Valuable Player
    Anne McCaffery's I think I read those when I was a young man. The Golden Torc maybe.
  • RattyUKRattyUK Posts: 1,109
    Wintermute
    Anne McCaffery's I think I read those when I was a young man. The Golden Torc maybe.
    One of the 'good' things about her Dragon Riders of Pern series was that much was written as a female protagonist yet didn't alienate a male reader, very subtle :)
    PC info: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, MSI MPG X570 Edge, 16GB Tforce Pro Dark DDR4 3200, KFA2 RTX 2080 Super, Samsung 870 Pro M.2, 2x 240GB SSD, 3TB WD Green HDD & 4 TB Seagate Barracuda HDD, Antec Modular 750w PSU, custom watercooling loop. (Win 10 Pro & Opensuse Leap 15.1 Linux) 32" AOC 4K Monitor.
    Rift S
    Laptop: Aorus X5 V6-CF1 (I7-6820HK, GTX 1070, 2* 256GB M.2 NVME, 1TB 7200 HDD)
  • JeremyC85JeremyC85 Posts: 334
    Trinity
    Ok listened the Prince of Thorns and it is a very good book. Must admit took me few chapters to get into it, as it is a very different kind of hero and I had no idea where the author was going with it. I'll definitely be getting the next two, thanks for recommendation.

    Happy you enjoyed it so far! 
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 15,019 Valuable Player
    edited December 2019
    Quick update,

    I just finished Book 3 of the Mistborn trilogy. As a lover of puzzles (it's my favorite gaming genre), this series is an absolute gem. I burned through all three books in the trilogy rather quickly. I don't think I've read any series that has so many interwoven stories, formulas, and connections that sensibly unfold with surprise throughout such a rich tale of science, combat, power, and religion. Fantastic read!

    On the downside... and to my dismay...
    It literally ends the exact same was as the Sword of Truth series. FML. They both end with a character obtaining a Godlike status, narrating to the reader as they put the Universe, Planets, and Life itself back to the way things were before all the tragedy happened.

    I could tell that I was being setup for it, when I noticed some direct cross-over with the third Matrix film. There's a part in the Book 3 of Mistborn where the Neo-like hero flies high above what the world knew as a darkened sky, goes beyond it, to see the clear view beyond. And then falls back down to darkness and ash and combat. As I read it, it perfectly narrated that scene from the 3rd Matrix film. It was then that I thought, "oh crap. This author put all his effort in to the awesome puzzles and combat of the Mistborn tale. But the overall story is going to follow a formula when it comes to its conclusion."


    I'll probably move on to the next part of the Mistborn series: Wax and Wayne. Overall though, my hunt continues for something truly original.

    Are you a fan of the Myst games? Check out my Mod at http://www.mystrock.com/
    Catch me on Twitter: twitter.com/zenbane
  • LuciferousLuciferous Posts: 2,313 Valuable Player
    edited December 2019
    I haven't read anything like the Bobiverse before, you may want to give that a try. 

    I am enjoying prince of Thorns, on book two. it's hard to compare mist-born to it as completely different writing styles but Mist has it so far I think. Prince of Thorns is a simpler tale and has many parallels to Game of Thrones in style. Great read though.

    'The book of the new Sun' is hands down the most different series I have ever read but it's so different I am not sure everybody would take to it. 

    As Brandon Sanderson says  'Journey before destination'. Which I think means the journey is more important than the destination.
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 15,019 Valuable Player
    edited December 2019
    Yeah I am learning the hard way that even with games, books, and films (Movies, TV Shows, Anime) that there is going to be a bit of regurgitation on the endings themselves; while the journeys offer up the uniqueness. I hadn't know of Brandon's quote, but it makes perfect sense. Even I am guilty of lacking originality in creating an ending. My old Mod, Mystrock, borrows its ending from Star Wars lol

    It's almost as if I'm looking for an answer to a philosophical question in my quest for the perfect storybook ending.
    • The Hobbit/LOTR series has a great story and ending. Evil is destroyed, our heroes go on to live the remainder of their lives. Retirement ending.
    • The show, Breaking Bad, has a fantastic ending to a compelling story. Our hero dies. Tragic ending.
    It seems like the only thing left for new stories to do, if they aren't going to borrow from the above endings, is pick between something that never ends (e.g Star Wars, The Matrix) or executes my least favorite of all endings, the comic book Multiverse ending (godlike status that changes life and the universe itself to undo tragedy and restart the story).

    Although in this sense, I'm also a hypocrite because one of my favorite films of all time - Fight Club - ends with the "undo tragedy and restart the story" concept. But I loved it anyway. Most likely because it was done in a blunt way, using chaos and destruction as opposed to some supernatural power that almost rewinds time (ala Superman spinning the Earth backwards to move time back).

    I find it fascinating that the stories I have loved the most above all others (the Lady Death comic series, Sword of Truth, Mistborn series) all use the ending that I dislike the most. There's a lovely bit of irony in that. Even the poppular comic, Walking Dead, ended recently. I never read the comics (I only watched the show), but I read the spoiler ending. And it employs one of the endings I mention here.

    But on the bright side, I am getting back in to some heavy reading (I'm already loving Book 4 of Mistborn), so this is a fun journey.

    Thanks again for all the recommendations from everyone. I'll likely be reading on a near daily hobby for a few years straight lol
    Are you a fan of the Myst games? Check out my Mod at http://www.mystrock.com/
    Catch me on Twitter: twitter.com/zenbane
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 15,019 Valuable Player
    edited January 27
    Quick update,

    I completed Book 4 and Book 5 of the Mistborn series. Going to pick up the final book today, The Bands of Mourning.

    Of the entire series, Book 4 was probably my favorite. It's the first book in the new trilogy of this series, and while overall it had a lot in common with how combat works in Naruto coupled with a Matrix vibe, the story itself was very unique. Most importantly, the ending of Book 4 was fantastic. I can't speak to how original it was, but for me it was something I hadn't encountered before and it was very unpredictable.

    In contrast, I found Book 5 to be the least favorite of the series. It was a struggle for me to get through the story; I was never fully invested in the plot and the ending was rather lackluster. But hey, they can't all be zingers.

    I'm looking forward to completing the final book in the Mistborn world; after which I will be moving on to a new series entirely.
    Are you a fan of the Myst games? Check out my Mod at http://www.mystrock.com/
    Catch me on Twitter: twitter.com/zenbane
  • LuciferousLuciferous Posts: 2,313 Valuable Player
    I finished Prince of Thorns trilogy and thoroughly enjoyed it. Jorg Ancrath is a very naughty boy :)
  • JeremyC85JeremyC85 Posts: 334
    Trinity
    Zenbane said:
    Quick update,

    I completed Book 4 and Book 5 of the Mistborn series. Going to pick up the final book today, The Bands of Mourning.

    Of the entire series, Book 4 was probably my favorite. It's the first book in the new trilogy of this series, and while overall it had a lot in common with how combat works in Naruto coupled with a Matrix vibe, the story itself was very unique. Most importantly, the ending of Book 4 was fantastic. I can't speak to how original it was, but for me it was something I hadn't encountered before and it was very unpredictable.

    In contrast, I found Book 5 to be the least favorite of the series. It was a struggle for me to get through the story; I was never fully invested in the plot and the ending was rather lackluster. But hey, they can't all be zingers.

    I'm looking forward to completing the final book in the Mistborn world; after which I will be moving on to a new series entirely.
    There is actually one more book after that planned. It's been delayed but you will have another to look forward to! 
  • JeremyC85JeremyC85 Posts: 334
    Trinity
    I finished Prince of Thorns trilogy and thoroughly enjoyed it. Jorg Ancrath is a very naughty boy :)
    I'm happy you enjoyed it! Like I said awhile back, it's probably one of if not my favorite series ever. The author made a second trilogy in the same universe that is ALMOST as good too FYI. 
  • LuciferousLuciferous Posts: 2,313 Valuable Player
    @JeremyC85 so any recommendations on my next read? 😀
  • Comic_Book_GuyComic_Book_Guy Posts: 1,212
    3Jane
    edited February 6
    Stephen King's Dark Tower series. Brian Lumley's Necroscope series. 

    One of my top fav ever is  Swan Song by Robert McCammon. 
  • LuciferousLuciferous Posts: 2,313 Valuable Player
    @Comic_Book_Guy Iv'e downloaded Swan Song  :)
  • LuciferousLuciferous Posts: 2,313 Valuable Player
    Ok read it lol ..... 30 years ago and it was great book.

    Completely forgot about it until chapter 2. :)
Sign In or Register to comment.