02-09-2020 10:11 AM
02-19-2020 09:20 AM
Umpa_PC said:
This would all be fixed by having a decent beta program ! - thats what the issue really is. The arguments for allowing you to roll back or not upgrade would be moot if the software they forced upon us worked for them. It's really simple - people by a device and they expect it to work.
02-21-2020 05:19 AM
Zenbane said:
Umpa_PC said:
This would all be fixed by having a decent beta program ! - thats what the issue really is. The arguments for allowing you to roll back or not upgrade would be moot if the software they forced upon us worked for them. It's really simple - people by a device and they expect it to work.None of that is very realistic in the computing world. Every operating system has been riddled with bugs since the inception of the personal computers. When people buy a car they expect it to work too... but then reality sets in and cars break down, get flat tires, get cracked windshields, and need regular maintenance.
Zenbane said:The problem is that people don't do enough research before buying a device. An even bigger problem is that people don't educate themselves enough to be able to troubleshoot their own devices. Much like someone who can't change a tire on their own vehicle.
Zenbane said:The number of configurations available across every computer ever made is too vast for Oculus (or even Microsoft, IBM, etc) to thoroughly test. Beta program or not. In the end, the only thing that can be done is release to the public and work through the issues as they arise. That's the only real "beta program." Anything else is pie in the sky fiction.
02-21-2020 07:49 PM
Umpa_PC said:
Wow ....... Talk about missing the point........ by a HUGE AMOUNT.... What a stupid thing to say !!
Read your TOS that comes with your Oculus product. It is not a "forced update." You agreed to adhere to all updates upon purchase and installation. So I will put your own words right back at you, "Talk about missing the point........ by a HUGE AMOUNT.... What a stupid thing to say !!"
Until you understand the terms you have agreed to with VR hardware and Software installation, you are in no position to adequately ascertain good vs bad analogies.
Tu quoque.
It's amazing that in the year 2020 there are people who agree to terms without any clue as to the terms they just agreed to.
Old enough to have owned several vehicles and learned how to change a tire with the supplied tools. I changed my first tire around age 16. How old are you?
They most certainly do. I have owned several Macbooks and forced upgrades happen eventually. Apples does this by ending the life of the existing OS over time. And they spam the hell out of you for months until the force eventually happens. The same with Windows (e.g. Windows 7 to Windows 10).
Here's one article about Apples' forced upgrades:https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/apnhm7/apple_please_stop_forcing_updates_down_our_throats/
The Oculus platform only runs on Microsoft. Both MS and Oculus follow the same model. Both of which state this in their TOS, which you agree to when you buy and use the product/service.
I'm stating facts; there's no real need to pose an "argument" since most of what you typed was pure fiction. Can't really argue with fantasy.
I am more saddened as I realize how many blind followers of "uninformed online raging" occurs. It's quite the dedication some people have to tossing their opinion so strongly on the internet without really getting their facts straight first.
02-21-2020 08:20 PM
Notice the parts in Bold. You agree to automatic updates. Calling them "forced" doesn't change the agreement you agreed to.
02-22-2020 01:06 AM
02-22-2020 01:38 AM
Umpa_PC said:
So your hiding behind TOS, Thats your only argument then.
The TOS has been discussed and quoted on this forum quite a lot. Not just here either, on Reddit as well:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/4d6fkg/oculus_rift_terms_of_service_states_you_surrend...
And on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni3Mx1v5m50
The Oculus TOS is fair. If you feel otherwise, try your luck in court.
The "throat" of Intelligence and Common Sense, sure. You are far down an entirely different throat on the opposite end of the spectrum it seems.
It's not forced, it's an automatic update that you agreed to in a legally binding agreement that is available to the world freely on the internet; so no, it's not hidden either.
I showed you videos of a car and a truck that come with their own tire changing tools. While I have also changed the tire of a bicycle, you should know that, unlike cars and trucks, bicycles do not come with their own tire changing tools. You have everything backwards.
I'm typing pure facts, and you have said pure fiction.
02-22-2020 08:46 AM
Umpa_PC said:
An unfair contract can be nullified.
02-24-2020 02:32 PM
02-24-2020 03:56 PM
adam.poole.313 said:
Forced updates are nonsensical.
That's false. Examples have already been given.
A VR HMD is not a mere component nor peripheral. And the forced updates entail an entire VR platform, not just firmware or drivers which are sub-components of a platform.
It happens all the time. Even in other industries such as Food, Drug, and Vehicles. This is why "recalls" happen. The world aint perfect. People need to plan accordingly.
02-24-2020 04:29 PM
You know its possible to be an Oculus apologist without being a jerk. You can call "false" all you want but this forum is filled with people whose experiences differ dramatically from yours and looking up at your posts, in my opinion, you are flat out wrong and apparently just enjoy arguing with people. No thanks. In fact the whole point of my post was that as asinine Oculus' practices are there isn't much point arguing over it because they aren't going to change.