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VR "is like" 3DTV? No no no

ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 15,156 Valuable Player
edited May 19 in General
A recent interview featuring Oculus' Jason Rubin has been released. It talks about the future of VR Gaming, and also addresses an ongoing misconception that likens VR to 3DTV. Personally, I think that there are 2 camps for this train of thought:
  • Users who are "less technically inclined" tend to view VR and 3DTV as something similar. This is understandable, but it is similar to someone thinking that a Smart Phone and a Server are the same thing.
  • Developers who have built infrastructure and "write code" for a living tend to understand that VR and 3DTV are utterly different.
The reason this is such an ongoing topic is because a lot of discussion around "strategies" for VR  attempt to label these strategies as "good vs bad," and often rely on linking VR to 3DTV to make such judgements.

While many have voiced their opinions on both sides of this camp, we finally get some insight from Oculus.

When we talk about the potential trajectory of VR as a mass consumer category, some people liken VR to 3D television. Is that a fair comparison?

The answer to that question is simple. 3D television delivered the exact same experience in a way that was interesting, but in the end pretty crappy. So the same movies, the same television shows, maybe a few made-for-3D things because they wanted to show you waterfalls or a forest or something, but ultimately it was watching television with a kind of fake depth. That was its one trick and it was pretty crappy. After watching it for a while, regardless of the technology, your eyes got tired.

And there's a good reason for that, by the way. It wasn't real 3D. You couldn't look around anything. All it was was stereo, and the stereo was made for a very specific interpupillary distance, the distance between your pupils. People's pupils are variable. And some people are wider, most people are in the middle, and then some people are very narrow. And only people that had almost exactly the IPD it was made for got a good experience. Everybody else got a really crappy experience.

VR is an utterly different situation. It's giving you a very, very different experience. VR gets better and better and better every year. VR is an infinitely-evolving ecosystem of totally different content. And so you can't compare the two.
Full article:
https://www.protocol.com/oculus-vr-interview

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  • LitespeedLitespeed Posts: 335
    Trinity
    People's pupils are variable. And some people are wider, most people are in the middle, and then some people are very narrow. And only people that had almost exactly the IPD it was made for got a good experience. Everybody else got a really crappy experience.

    True. But he should have told that to Lenovo while they were developing the Rift S.
    I agree on all he said about 3DTV vs VR.
  • JeremyC85JeremyC85 Posts: 343
    Trinity
    Was I literally the only one that enjoyed 3D TV and blu-rays for the few years they were a thing? 
  • Shadowmask72Shadowmask72 Posts: 4,074 Valuable Player
    A lot of naysayers make the comparison between the two not because they believe they offer a similar experience, rather they see them both as gimmicks. 

     :( 


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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 15,156 Valuable Player
    JeremyC85 said:
    Was I literally the only one that enjoyed 3D TV and blu-rays for the few years they were a thing? 

    I remember seeing Jaws in 3D when I was a kid. Some other random movies here and there as an adult. Once while drunk and sitting in those motion seats.

    But yeah, I can't say that I ever cared for 3D. It felt like reading a popup book to me!





    Theoretically, a popup book is a 3D version of a regular book, right? lol
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  • andysonofbobandysonofbob Posts: 247
    Nexus 6
    3D TV and cinema leaves me with a very bitter taste in my mouth.

    I used to be a 3D gamer.  Unfortunately nVidia destroyed 3D gaming and they did it through remarkably poor marketing and setting astonishingly stupid defaults on their 3D Vision software. *

    All the cinema experiences I have seen have been lacking: poor depth, gimmicky popout, that type of thing.
    Gaming in 3D is fab. [Yes I stated that as a fact, not opinion, so :P ]
     
    For example.  An ex-colleague who taught Media Studies was very vocal with regard to 3D and said gaming would be gimmicky too.  One day I took my PC in with me, for some game club or something, and asked if the dude would be interested in looking at 3D gaming.  I showed him Portal 2.  After the initial fade to white, the very beginning, he stated it wasn't a gimmick.  It took him less than 5 seconds to be blown away.  His opinion was completely changed.  Games and cinema are not the same thing

    Whenever I demoed 3D to mates, they have all shown the same reaction to when I sit them in a cockpit above an asteroid field in Elite in VR.  Blown away.

    Anyhoo!

    Sorry about that.  Obviously still sore.  Yes, 3DTV is not the same as VR.

    * nVidia set the default depth to 10%, most people instantly set it at 100%  VR is 100%;  convergence is as important to S3D as depth (if your convergence is low you get a 2D image, just pushed back in the 3D field, identical to 360 videos), it adds 'definition' to 3D and nVidia hid those in advance settings, where you have to tick a box to even see the controls.
  • DaftnDirectDaftnDirect Posts: 5,719 Volunteer Moderator
    A lot of naysayers make the comparison between the two not because they believe they offer a similar experience, rather they see them both as gimmicks. 

     :( 
    Yeah I think you're right. It's lazy shorthand by some people who probably know the difference but just want to play it down. Maybe also for some, there's that need to appear avant-garde by being one of the people to express disinterest in something as it becomes very popular. I did the same thing with Pokemon Go and Fidget Spinners. No wait, that was genuine dislike.
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  • MradrMradr Posts: 3,760 Valuable Player
    edited May 20
    Plus a lot of people simply say they have tried VR - but really haven't. Or, they simply had the wrong play setup like using Cardboard VR thinking they are all like that. Then when you get them into VR its totally different for them and they love it.

    I also think people down play it because they can't afford it - or - they don't want to think they can afford it. There are still many people here even they will quickly jump to the argument you have to have 1000$ PC - when you really don't or that 500$ too much. Some react very strange or differently like a they are defending themselves for some reason from a truth they don't want in front of them or they just simply want more thus down playing the hype for themselves.
  • OmegaM4NOmegaM4N Posts: 776
    3Jane
    JeremyC85 said:
    Was I literally the only one that enjoyed 3D TV and blu-rays for the few years they were a thing? 
    Not at all, i still have my 3D projector and 110in screen packed away that i bought way back in(checks amazon), December 2014, and it was fantastic watching big 3d movies on a big screen in your home, but now with a couple of Oculus Go's that can be done far eaiser today, but i still love 3d movies which i think these VR hmd help make a lot better.

  • MradrMradr Posts: 3,760 Valuable Player
    edited May 21
    OmegaM4N said:
    JeremyC85 said:
    Was I literally the only one that enjoyed 3D TV and blu-rays for the few years they were a thing? 
    Not at all, i still have my 3D projector and 110in screen packed away that i bought way back in(checks amazon), December 2014, and it was fantastic watching big 3d movies on a big screen in your home, but now with a couple of Oculus Go's that can be done far eaiser today, but i still love 3d movies which i think these VR hmd help make a lot better.

    That's what I am hoping with the next release of VR in terms of Quest-2-Go and Quest-2-PC/Rift S 2 in that it brings functional VR finally to the lower cost market so people see the Q2G as the starting VR unit in terms of being able to play some games while providing an affordable price point to end the idea that VR is a gimmick and it is here to stay. While the higher end pushing the other nay slayers that say vr isnt ready for prime time yet with increase FOV and slightly higher PPD improving the image.
  • FelicityCFelicityC Posts: 81
    Hiro Protagonist
    3d always gave me a bad headache and still does. vr feels so much better- likely due to the much improved viewing angles from one degree to about six. i can move from one spot without my eyes unfocusing from the universe.
    sometimes
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  • Digikid1Digikid1 Posts: 2,213 Valuable Player
    JeremyC85 said:
    Was I literally the only one that enjoyed 3D TV and blu-rays for the few years they were a thing? 

    Not in the least.  I still have a LG 4k tv that supports Real3D and it is wonderful!!!  No headache, eye strain or any after-affects.

    It is an excellent tech that got shut down due to a bunch of whiners IMHO.
  • OmegaM4NOmegaM4N Posts: 776
    3Jane
    ^^^It did indeed, the PS3 had some cracking 3d supported games back in the day. :)
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