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Talos Principle - tough puzzles!

WildtWildt Posts: 2,297 Valuable Player
edited November 2019 in Games and Apps
Been playing this great game on and off for quite a while, and yesterday I reached "Alley of the pressure plates", and whoaa.. It was late, and I might not have been at my sharpest state of mind, but I was clueless for 30 minutes, and then fumbling around failing for another 30 minutes.
I then found a fairly primitive solution where I spent a really long time recording myself standing on 1 plate.
I then googled it to see if my method was "normal", and found this video of an elegant quick solution, which I doubt I could've come up with regardless of how long I was given.

There's just something about those dual timelines that my brain has serious problems comprehending.
Have any of you guys done this level, and what was your solution and how long did it take you?
If the difficulty keeps ramping like this I'm gonna have to give up :(

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  • MorgrumMorgrum Posts: 1,822 Valuable Player
    Or you can finish it and become a Mentat thus ensuring your survival when A.I. Rises!
    WAAAGH!
  • RattyUKRattyUK Posts: 1,191
    Wintermute
    It gets tougher...
    Absolutely brilliant though!
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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 16,803 Valuable Player
    Good to know! I love puzzlers :)
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  • WildtWildt Posts: 2,297 Valuable Player
    RattyUK said:
    It gets tougher...
    Yeah, I figured as much, but I was hoping the difficulty would level out a bit towards the end. If the time replay concept starts becoming an even more dominant element in the puzzles, I won't even bother :tired_face:
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  • WildtWildt Posts: 2,297 Valuable Player
    Zenbane said:
    Good to know! I love puzzlers :)
    It's the best puzzle game I've ever played, even if I'm gonna have to shelf it now.
    The atmosphere and presentation is great, and even though motion controllers object manipulation is a somewhat unpolished, the overall VR/ implementation is solid.
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 7,053 Valuable Player
    edited November 2019

    BTW, the game offers native driver Oculus support (must be set in-game). Right now I can't use CV1 in SteamVR, because I refuse to disconnect Index - and I did set the game to use native Oculus drivers before I got the Index. This means I can't start the game using Index at all - it just gives me an error. And I have not been playing the game since I got the Index. But now I just got a great idea - let's see if I can't start the game directly from Oculus Home due to the native driver support - that is without even starting SteamVR, this works in both Polybius and Borderlands 2 VR, which also have native Oculus driver support.

    And then I can disable native Rift support in-game and finally try the game using the Index - because the game has full Index support including finger tracking.

    But if you use Rift(-S) for the game, remember to enable native Oculus driver support in-game for optimal performance (ASW2.0) etc. The game performs great on my rig even when forcing ss 2.0 (CV1) and graphics are second to none (ok, maybe second to Lone Echo and Asgard's Wrath, lol).

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  • WildtWildt Posts: 2,297 Valuable Player
    edited November 2019
    RuneSR2 said:

    and I did set the game to use native Oculus drivers before I got the Index. This means I can't start the game using Index at all - it just gives me an error. 

    Yeah, this happened to me too with the Reverb. You have to plug in the CV1 and change API back to SteamVR.

    Tbh, the benefits of the resolution just didn't make up for the downsides of the controllers, the cable and the room lighting to make it worthwhile in this game, so I'm playing it with the CV1.
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 7,053 Valuable Player
    edited November 2019
    Wildt said:
    RuneSR2 said:

    and I did set the game to use native Oculus drivers before I got the Index. This means I can't start the game using Index at all - it just gives me an error. 

    Yeah, this happened to me too with the Reverb. You have to plug in the CV1 and change API back to SteamVR.

    Tbh, the benefits of the resolution just didn't make up for the downsides of the controllers, the cable and the room lighting to make it worthwhile in this game, so I'm playing it with the CV1.

    Have you tried to start the game from Oculus Home and checked if SteamVR became active? 

    With proper native Rift support, Steam games start directly from Oculus Home and do not start SteamVR. 

    Fun thing, Talos Principle is one game where I can see a difference of going beyond ss 2.0 with the CV1 - but my performance goes down in the dust (or mud, lol) when I get to ss 2.5. But try to set ss to 2.0, then find a fence and now go back (zoom out) until the fence's grid becomes unrecognizable - now increase ss to 2.2 or 2.5 and - voila - the grid in the fence is visible again, it's magic ;-)    
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 7,053 Valuable Player
    Finally got the game working with the Index, and the hands are very impressive and there's full finger tracking. 
    Also the Vulkan driver is much faster - I'm getting solid 90 fps with nearly all settings maxed and res 125% - would like 150+ %, but the game does look nice and is quite gpu dependent. This game is highly recommended for both Oculus hmds and Index (I have no experience with WMR and don't plan on getting it ;-)
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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 16,803 Valuable Player
    I just acquired this (thanks @snowdog) and play to try it soon!
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  • WildtWildt Posts: 2,297 Valuable Player
    Zenbane said:
    I just acquired this (thanks @snowdog) and play to try it soon!
    Maybe you'll finish it before me..  my tired brain is making all sorts of poor excuses whenever I spot the game sitting unfinished in my Steam library. It still hasn't reclaimed its self esteem after having to resort to a YT vid for one of the most pesky puzzles. 
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  • adam.poole.313adam.poole.313 Posts: 175
    Art3mis
    The game is amazing all around. I beat every main puzzle but then realized that there are larger puzzles that span multiple individual puzzle areas. (For example, raise up one of those laser devices and have it hit a spot in another part of the world outside of your immediate puzzle area.) I was highly impressed with the complexity of it but it was too daunting to finish those bonus type puzzles.
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  • WildtWildt Posts: 2,297 Valuable Player
    The game is amazing all around. I beat every main puzzle but then realized that there are larger puzzles that span multiple individual puzzle areas. (For example, raise up one of those laser devices and have it hit a spot in another part of the world outside of your immediate puzzle area.) I was highly impressed with the complexity of it but it was too daunting to finish those bonus type puzzles.
    Well done! No peeking at walkthroughs or anything? :wink:
    I know about those bonus puzzles, but I haven't bothered trying to solve them yet. Doubt I will. 
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 7,053 Valuable Player
    Wildt said:

    Well done! No peeking at walkthroughs or anything? :wink:
    I know about those bonus puzzles, but I haven't bothered trying to solve them yet. Doubt I will. 
    Guess we're getting too old, the young ones have all the fun. I think Einstein and Bohr were about 25 years old when making some of their finest discoveries and formulas/equations - now some of us have already lost about 10 - 20 grams of brain weight due to atrophy, but of course better than the 70 years old having lost about 100 grams... 

    I better not wait too long finishing Talos - and Room VR :#  

    (This was meant to be a funny post with some real world spice added ;))
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  • LoneEchoLoneEcho Posts: 74
    Hiro Protagonist
    I came up to a point in the game where you have to start using those things on tripods. But for some reason, those things aren't solid. They look like holograms and i can't interact with them in any way.
  • adam.poole.313adam.poole.313 Posts: 175
    Art3mis
    Wildt said:
    Well done! No peeking at walkthroughs or anything? 

    Nope no cheating. About 50% of my time was literally just standing there thinking and saying, "WTF?"
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  • adam.poole.313adam.poole.313 Posts: 175
    Art3mis
    DuxCro said:
    I came up to a point in the game where you have to start using those things on tripods. But for some reason, those things aren't solid. They look like holograms and i can't interact with them in any way.
    Do you mean like in the video posted above? Anything that appears as a hologram like that is a recording. You use that switch to start the recording and then you move around, set objects up, etc... Everything you did will then be played back as a recording (looks like hologram) when you hit the switch again. So while that recording plays out you then go on and do other acts to progress.  You basically work in tandem with "yourself" that you recorded previously. Even though those things are holograms they still interact with the environment as the recording plays. Very difficult to put into words but that video above is a perfect example.

    The way the puzzles are designed are brilliant. When you finish a tough one you feel like a genius. For about 30 seconds until you get stumped on the next one.
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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 7,053 Valuable Player
    adam.poole.313 said:

    About 50% of my time was literally just standing there thinking and saying, "WTF?"
    Love doing time in Talos, and Room VR - might do some more this evening  :D 
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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 16,803 Valuable Player
    edited June 18
    adam.poole.313 said:
    Nope no cheating. About 50% of my time was literally just standing there thinking and saying, "WTF?"

     This accurately describes how I beat all the Myst games.
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