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Facebook account required for new Oculus hmd users Oct 2020 - existing users can wait to Jan 2023

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  • DaftnDirectDaftnDirect Posts: 6,496 Volunteer Moderator
    edited September 2020
    RedRizla said:
    Look on the bright side though... having an account means you may be able to refuse lots of invites.

    Yes, but lots of invites from people who you don't even know. I find online social interaction awkward now. I liken it to walking up to someone you don't know in the street and trying to engage them in a long conversation. I used to be in online gaming clans years ago, and I'm glad I stayed anonymous because lots of them turned toxic. It's difficult to gauge people in real life, let alone online.
    Well I was being a bit fecessious. In reality the only invites you get are from other Oculus users, the same as you do with your Oculus account now, and they would only see your Oculus nickname, same as now (unless you chose to use your real name). You wouldn't get any invites on Facebook unless you choose to allow them from people you don't know, I.e. The friends of friends setting. And presumably if you have that set and don't invite anyone yourself, you then wouldn't even get invites from people you do know!

    The only friend invites I get are on here from Oculus users which I'm happy to accept. I don't get them from strangers on Facebook as I've set it not to.
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  • ThompalainenThompalainen Posts: 10
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    edited September 2020
    Zenbane said:
    Unless you committed Credit Card Fraud on Tuesday, then no, you wouldn't get banned from Facebook.

    In fact, I would say that Facebook probably has more relaxed rules than Steam. For example, I challenge anyone to start a Flat Earth community discussion on Steam. There's plenty on Facebook. Let me know how that works out.
     ;) 
    Try just typing the name "Tommy Robinson" and see how relaxed they are.
    That was enough to get me banned twice.
    Also I know people getting banned for just liking or being friends with the "wrong" conservative people.
    If you're not a blue haired nose ring wielding marxist, or someone without any opionions whatsoever then Facebook is a minefield and you never know when or why.


    Unless you share child pornography, then Facebook seem to have your back. 🤮
    So all you consooomers out there planning to line up for a Quest 2, I hope you can live with supporting a company like this that also sells all of your private data. All so you can get some cheap VR.

    I sure as hell don't.

    Edit: image removed by mod, see below post
  • ThompalainenThompalainen Posts: 10
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    Also I opened a ticket about me probably losing all access to games bought through Oculus Store due to being perm banned from Facebook last year, and not allowed to create a new account.

    The answer was 
    "If you are having issues with Facebook account please contact their support page.

    Explain to them the whole situation, they probably will give you permission to create Facebook account again by January 2023."

    So basically beg and plead to Facebook to please let me back in, and take a chance while crossing my fingers in hope that they feel humble enough.

    Which, as mentioned, isn't going to happen from my side.
    So I'm done with Facebook/Oculus.
    It was fun while it lasted, but I still have enough self esteem to not give in to them.



    Also it's worth noting for all fanatical buyers of the Quest 2 that they released the Quest and Rift S just 1,5 years ago before pulling the plug on it now.
    How do you know the Quest 2 won't face the same fate in a year? 🤔 With support probably suffering as a result?
    Just a thought.
  • DaftnDirectDaftnDirect Posts: 6,496 Volunteer Moderator
    Image removed from above post and I'm wondering if a warning is appropriate.

    Before posting opinions on this forum you need to make sure of the origins of the information you're posting. Groups supporting conspiracy theories created a lot of memes near identical to the one posted above, petitions even started based on those memes.

    Hate speech and support of hate speech even subtle support wrapped in supposed support of free speech is as unacceptable here as it is on Facebook.

    Politics are also not permitted on this forum... whether right, left or centre, period.
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  • nalex66nalex66 Posts: 6,363 Volunteer Moderator
    ...Also it's worth noting for all fanatical buyers of the Quest 2 that they released the Quest and Rift S just 1,5 years ago before pulling the plug on it now.
    How do you know the Quest 2 won't face the same fate in a year? 🤔 With support probably suffering as a result?
    Just a thought.
    If they release Quest 3 in 1.5 years, and it’s a significant upgrade for a low price, then I will probably buy that too. They haven’t “pulled the plug” on the previous Quest, they’ve stopped selling it as the new model replaces it. Quest 1 is still supported and still compatible with all apps on the Quest store. Do you hate Apple for releasing a new iPhone every year?
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  • MradrMradr Posts: 4,179 Valuable Player
    edited September 2020
    nalex66 said:
    ...Also it's worth noting for all fanatical buyers of the Quest 2 that they released the Quest and Rift S just 1,5 years ago before pulling the plug on it now.
    How do you know the Quest 2 won't face the same fate in a year? 🤔 With support probably suffering as a result?
    Just a thought.
    If they release Quest 3 in 1.5 years, and it’s a significant upgrade for a low price, then I will probably buy that too. They haven’t “pulled the plug” on the previous Quest, they’ve stopped selling it as the new model replaces it. Quest 1 is still supported and still compatible with all apps on the Quest store. Do you hate Apple for releasing a new iPhone every year?
    In some ways, yes :D As a MDM provider - it gets stupid how many hoops you have to do sign your soul away with. For every two step forward - they do - do a set backwards in their software platform. 

    For their hardware - its almost impossible now to even fix your phone, laptop, or other Apple devices as well. Yet, they cost an arm and leg to buy in the first place and their repair services also charge you more for a fix that might not actually be the problem. 

    A lot of the time its just a bad cap or replacement part that isn't even that hard to replace or should not even cost as much as it does. A little time, a hot gun, and some glue tap is all you need to save yourself 1000s of dollars. 

    All I can say is - fuck Apple in the aries.
  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 7,415 Valuable Player
    edited September 2020
    It will be interesting to see how many will experience trouble, hopefully it'll just be a few.

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  • TomCgcmfcTomCgcmfc Posts: 3,365 Valuable Player
    edited September 2020
    I’m pretty sure I read that Oculus said not to merge your accounts until after 11 October.  I intend to wait until I get my Quest 2 before trying to link my accounts.

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  • synchromesh62synchromesh62 Posts: 484
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    edited September 2020
    Just out of interest what are Facebook Blocking when they ban you ? 
    Your name, Email, IP address or all ?
    In other words ..  is there any reason you could not link your quest to a family members Facebook account ?
  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 7,415 Valuable Player
    TomCgcmfc said:
    I’m pretty sure I read that Oculus said not to link your accounts until after 11 October.  I intend to wait until I get my Quest 2 before trying to link my accounts.
    I'm in no hurry, if there'll be a storm, I hope it'll be over when I wake up after experiencing the amazing New Year's Eve 2022  B)
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  • nalex66nalex66 Posts: 6,363 Volunteer Moderator
    edited September 2020
    Just out of interest what are Facebook Blocking when they ban you ? 
    Your name, Email, IP address or all ?
    In other words ..  is there any reason you could not link your quest to a family members Facebook account ?
    You can currently link to any Facebook account to allow access to social features, but once you get a Quest 2 in October, it’s a different situation. You will have to activate it with a Facebook account, and if you want to use your previous Oculus purchases, you will need to merge your Oculus account.

    Linking accounts is different from merging accounts. Linking is what we can do now, and can be undone. Starting in October (the 11th, I believe) we will have the option to merge accounts, which is a one-time, permanent change. When you merge, your Oculus account will be permanently absorbed into your Facebook account. If you do this with someone else’s Facebook account, they will own all your Oculus purchases, forever attached to their Facebook account. 

    I suppose you could use a new Quest 2 with someone else’s Facebook account, but not do the account merge. You wouldn’t have your old Oculus username or previous purchased content, and any new purchases would belong to the Facebook account in use, but you could at least use the device while you worked on sorting out problems with your own Facebook account. A factory reset should free up the headset to be attached to your own account later.  
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  • TomCgcmfcTomCgcmfc Posts: 3,365 Valuable Player
    Thanks for explaining the diffs between linking and merging mate.  Man I hope I do not stuff this up later next month, lol!

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  • RuneSR2RuneSR2 Posts: 7,415 Valuable Player
    TomCgcmfc said:
    Thanks for explaining the diffs between linking and merging mate.  Man I hope I do not stuff this up later next month, lol!
    Being a Cupbearer is no easy task, we all wish you a safe journey!  o:);)


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  • OmegaM4NOmegaM4N Posts: 1,146
    Wintermute
    edited September 2020

    RuneSR2 said:
    TomCgcmfc said:
    I’m pretty sure I read that Oculus said not to link your accounts until after 11 October.  I intend to wait until I get my Quest 2 before trying to link my accounts.
    I'm in no hurry, if there'll be a storm, I hope it'll be over when I wake up after experiencing the amazing New Year's Eve 2022  B)

    Facebook are already having tantrums over EU privacy and data transfer laws and are shouting at the sky that they may just pull their entire social media business out of the EU completly, which of coure they won't because imagine them actually giving up all those corporate tax loopholes lol............so for all of us in the EU the whole FB mandatory thing might end up being optional with a FB account required if you want to use the social features of the HMDs, assuming FB wants to continue to do business in the EU, and all thanks to the Irish regulator, so we shall see how it all pans out.
  • TomCgcmfcTomCgcmfc Posts: 3,365 Valuable Player
    @OmegaM4N I think this is currently just Germany.  Hopefully this will get sorted out soon.

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  • OmegaM4NOmegaM4N Posts: 1,146
    Wintermute
    ^^This is another pending privacy issue that is seperate from the German one, as 2 weeks ago Ireland’s Data Protection Commission sent Facebook a preliminary order to stop transferring user data from the EU to the U.S, and this one is way bigger than the Germany issue that has stopping them selling Q2 in Germany because this one has implications for FB across the entire EU.
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 16,879 Valuable Player
    RedRizla said:
    This is like me joining a gym and being told I have to jog 5 days a week with a group of people or I can't use the equipment back at the gym. 

    This is exactly how joining a combat gym works! Why did you just say it like it's a bad thing?
     :D 
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  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 8,058 Valuable Player
    edited September 2020
    Zenbane said:
    RedRizla said:
    This is like me joining a gym and being told I have to jog 5 days a week with a group of people or I can't use the equipment back at the gym. 

    This is exactly how joining a combat gym works! Why did you just say it like it's a bad thing?
     :D 

    Because I prefer to jog alone like other people I have spoken to do. That's why you see a lot of lone joggers out and about because like me they are self motivated and more focused doing it on their own. There are groups for jogging for the none motivated or if you just prefer it, but you are not forced to join them. That's why I said it's like being forced to join that jogging group before you can use the gym equipment. That just wouldn't happen, it's as simple as that, really.
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 16,879 Valuable Player
    RedRizla said:
    \Because I prefer to jog alone like other people I have spoken to do. That's why you see a lot of lone joggers out and about because like me they are self motivated and more focused doing it on their own. There are groups for jogging for the none motivated if you want to join that, but you are not forced to join them. That's why I said it's like being forced to join that jogging group before you can use the gym equipment. That just wouldn't happen, it's as simple as that, really.

    Hmm, well, if you sign up for Facebook, you don't have to socialize with anyone. You can be a "lone jogger" on Facebook.

    I mean, when you go "jogging alone" you're not entirely alone, right? There are other people in your city, state, province, etc. There are cars on the road, planes in the sky.

    Take your statement here for example,
    "That's why you see a lot of lone joggers out "

    How can you "see" them if they are lone?
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  • DTHDTH Posts: 281
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    Make sure you read the fine print.  In big bold letters, The paper said  "sign hear and see the world"  I won't tell you what the fine print said. This was in the 1960's    :D
  • OmegaM4NOmegaM4N Posts: 1,146
    Wintermute

    RedRizla said:
    OmegaM4N said:

    RuneSR2 said:
    TomCgcmfc said:
    I’m pretty sure I read that Oculus said not to link your accounts until after 11 October.  I intend to wait until I get my Quest 2 before trying to link my accounts.
    I'm in no hurry, if there'll be a storm, I hope it'll be over when I wake up after experiencing the amazing New Year's Eve 2022  B)

    Facebook are already having tantrums over EU privacy and data transfer laws and are shouting at the sky that they may just pull their entire social media business out of the EU completly, which of coure they won't because imagine them actually giving up all those corporate tax loopholes lol............so for all of us in the EU the whole FB mandatory thing might end up being optional with a FB account required if you want to use the social features of the HMDs, assuming FB wants to continue to do business in the EU, and all thanks to the Irish regulator, so we shall see how it all pans out.

    Now that would be a dream come true and is the way it should have been done. Creating a Social Media Account to play some VR games that have no social features is just plain daft when you think about it. Doesn't Facebook understand that people don't like being forced to do something they don't like? Why deny people something they enjoy like VR by forcing them to create a Social Media account?

    This is like me joining a gym and being told I have to jog 5 days a week with a group of people or I can't use the equipment back at the gym. 

    Well the funny thing is the whole mandatory FB account thing for the Q2 is just minutia compared to this, as this is now basically American privacy laws butting heads with EU privacy laws, so it will be interesting to see the outcome, but my guess will be FB will backdown on a lot of the stuff because at the end of the day they are not going to walk away from over 400 million EU FB users as that is still a chuck of change in ad revenue alone, even if they can't store, keep, impose or access specific user information.
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 16,879 Valuable Player
    OmegaM4N said:
    Well the funny thing is the whole mandatory FB account thing for the Q2 is just minutia compared to this, as this is now basically American privacy laws butting heads with EU privacy laws, so it will be interesting to see the outcome, but my guess will be FB will backdown on a lot of the stuff because at the end of the day they are not going to walk away from over 400 million EU FB users as that is still a chuck of change in ad revenue alone, even if they can't store, keep, impose or access specific user information. 

    Facebook is the one threatening to leave, and Facebook doesn't have a history of making false threats. It's also false to assume that FB would instantly lose the 400 million EU Users, because a good percentage of those users will just use a Proxy Server. Similar to what people do today with Netflix.
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  • RedRizlaRedRizla Posts: 8,058 Valuable Player
    edited September 2020
    Zenbane said:
    RedRizla said:
    \Because I prefer to jog alone like other people I have spoken to do. That's why you see a lot of lone joggers out and about because like me they are self motivated and more focused doing it on their own. There are groups for jogging for the none motivated if you want to join that, but you are not forced to join them. That's why I said it's like being forced to join that jogging group before you can use the gym equipment. That just wouldn't happen, it's as simple as that, really.

    Hmm, well, if you sign up for Facebook, you don't have to socialize with anyone. You can be a "lone jogger" on Facebook.

    I mean, when you go "jogging alone" you're not entirely alone, right? There are other people in your city, state, province, etc. There are cars on the road, planes in the sky.

    Take your statement here for example,
    "That's why you see a lot of lone joggers out "

    How can you "see" them if they are lone?
     ;) 

    1) If I can be a lone jogger on Facebook, then why do I have to create a social media account.

    2) Yes, I'm entirely on my own, just like I'm living on my own in a block of flats until my girlfriend comes to visit. There's people living here, but they're not living with me.

    A bit pointless me going into all this really because it is what it is and nothing will change it. I don't mind though because I'm not into Mobile VR, so I really shouldn't comment on it. That's the last I'll say on the matter because it isn't really affecting me yet. 

    I just hope it helps to make VR popular in the end because that can only benefit us all.

    Edited - Meant to say live in "a" block of flats because I don't own them. I wish I did because I'd be rich :)
  • dburnedburne Posts: 4,426 Valuable Player
    RedRizla said:
    Zenbane said:
    RedRizla said:
    \Because I prefer to jog alone like other people I have spoken to do. That's why you see a lot of lone joggers out and about because like me they are self motivated and more focused doing it on their own. There are groups for jogging for the none motivated if you want to join that, but you are not forced to join them. That's why I said it's like being forced to join that jogging group before you can use the gym equipment. That just wouldn't happen, it's as simple as that, really.

    Hmm, well, if you sign up for Facebook, you don't have to socialize with anyone. You can be a "lone jogger" on Facebook.

    I mean, when you go "jogging alone" you're not entirely alone, right? There are other people in your city, state, province, etc. There are cars on the road, planes in the sky.

    Take your statement here for example,
    "That's why you see a lot of lone joggers out "

    How can you "see" them if they are lone?
     ;) 

    1) If I can be a lone jogger on Facebook, then why do I have to create a social media account.

    2) Yes, I'm entirely on my own, just like I'm living on my own in my block of flats until my girlfriend comes to visit. There's people living here, but they're not living with me.

    A bit pointless me going into all this really because it is what it is and nothing will change it. I don't mind though because I'm not into Mobile VR, so I really shouldn't comment on it. That's the last I'll say on the matter because it isn't really affecting me yet. 

    I just hope it helps to make VR popular in the end because that can only benefit us all.

    I am with you there all the way.

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  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 16,879 Valuable Player
    edited September 2020
    RedRizla said:
    1) If I can be a lone jogger on Facebook, then why do I have to create a social media account. 

    1) You answered it yourself. "On Facebook." How can you be "on Facebook" without being "on Facebook" ?? lol

    Once you are "on Facebook" you can be a lone jogger "on Facebook." It's self-explanatory.

    Just as with your own example, you can join a gym and workout alone.


    2) Yes, I'm entirely on my own, just like I'm living on my own in my block of flats until my girlfriend comes to visit. There's people living here, but they're not living with me.


    Nope, you are not entirely on your own, nor are you entirely alone. You didn't build the block, you didn't build the flats. Everything around you was built by someone else, controlled by someone else, and regulated by someone else. Unless you hunt for your own food, then you also depend on someone else for sustenance as well. Your clothes were probably made and supplied by someone else.

    Also, sorry, but your neighbors do live with you. That's what makes them neighbors.

    But you did change the subject. I was talking about the fact that going out and jogging will entail being around other people. Nobody truly jogs alone, if you are outside. Not sure why you switched it to living in a flat.

    That aside, there's one important thing you are not addressing:

    If you don't want to use a Facebook Account, then don't buy a Facebook product.

    So going back to your analogy, if you want to jog alone, then why would you pay to join a gym?
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  • MorgrumMorgrum Posts: 1,854 Valuable Player

    Its time to see this TOS agreement!

    WAAAGH!
  • MradrMradr Posts: 4,179 Valuable Player
    edited September 2020
    Zenbane said:

    If you don't want to use a Facebook Account, then don't buy a Facebook product.

    I have problems with this... We still have a voice and I say let us have a voice if want to do it or not as well. Just because we like the products doesnt mean we have to like the ToS. We still have to pay for the product and we still have to pay for the games. The argument doesn't stand just because of that alone. If it was all free- sure - we can't really complain or say other wise - but we're still paying for a device to have in hand and to use like we want to use it. Its just that simple. 

    Make it free or give me voice!
  • OmegaM4NOmegaM4N Posts: 1,146
    Wintermute
    edited September 2020
    ^^^FB, Google and the likes can have as many TOS as they can come up with but none can circumvent the laws of other countries, so American privacy laws are not applicable outside America, but as i said FB and Google will both whine and moan but in the end they will knuckle down to the laws of the countries they want to continue to make money in as neither are going to walk away from such a large revenue stream....i mean the EU is on fire at the moment, lootboxes kicked into the grass and next up privacy laws, then after that tax loopholes. Lol
  • ZenbaneZenbane Posts: 16,879 Valuable Player
    OmegaM4N said:
    but as i said FB and Google will both whine and moan but in the end they will knuckle down to the laws of the countries they want to continue to make money in as neither are going to walk away from such a large revenue stream

    That seems backwards. It is actually the EU whining and moaning about data transfers taking place. Facebook is threatening to stop servicing Europe if the EU doesn't pull back from their own whining and moaning; not the other way around.

    As I said, there is no revenue stream to walk away from since European citizens will just use Proxy servers as they already do with Netflix.

    But if there is a real revenue loss, it would be for all the European business who rely on Facebook as a revenue stream. They will have to go back to the stone age... marketing on TV, Magazines, and handing out Flyers.

    Facebook has the power here, not the EU.  :)
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