01-03-2020 11:41 AM
"Publicly available data indicates that Facebook currently controls around 50% of the PC VR market and the company currently faces no serious competition in the standalone VR space."
https://uploadvr.com/michael-abrash-the-information-interview-2020/
01-04-2020 08:16 AM
kojack said:
Next gen would be cool, I just wish Oculus did better with THIS gen and partnered with HP instead of Lenovo to make a Rift Reverb.
01-04-2020 08:34 AM
01-04-2020 08:39 AM
KarstenS80 said:
Mradr said:
Hmm, I think what Oculus really does have is the environment eco-system to push forward with
Don't forget Sony. Yes, they currently focus the PS5 release this year. But it will be fully compatible to PSVR and I'm pretty sure, they are already working on a PSVR2, which will fit better to the PS5.
01-04-2020 10:30 AM
01-04-2020 11:54 AM
Mradr said:
KarstenS80 said:
Mradr said:
Hmm, I think what Oculus really does have is the environment eco-system to push forward with
Don't forget Sony. Yes, they currently focus the PS5 release this year. But it will be fully compatible to PSVR and I'm pretty sure, they are already working on a PSVR2, which will fit better to the PS5.
Maybe, but it also doesn't support the PC - standalone - or the ability to cover more than one use. Thus - while it might have the software - it doesn't have the flexibility Oculus does provide along with openness to the idea of what software can work with it or the type of devices. As I said - hardware wise - it wouldn't be hard to top what Oculus current has atm - so Sony could provide a better headset and software - but the problem is - they can't do everything though that Oculus can do. Quest alone is already in a "I win" location in terms of supporting even the PC outside of its standalone ability.
Knowing some what that Quest is selling really well - I wouldn't be surprise to see another version of Quest out this year for GO (you know, without the controllers and maybe one or two less cameras) and Quest 2 by 2021. Mainly my point being is that Oculus does have 3 lines of devices to continue pushing what it does have and continue to push it further more than what even Sony can do now.
01-04-2020 04:10 PM
kojack said:
Next gen would be cool, I just wish Oculus did better with THIS gen and partnered with HP instead of Lenovo to make a Rift Reverb.
01-04-2020 04:57 PM
snowdog said:
kojack said:
Next gen would be cool, I just wish Oculus did better with THIS gen and partnered with HP instead of Lenovo to make a Rift Reverb.
They COULD have released the Half Dome prototype as the Rift 2 instead of the Rift S with eye tracking, foveated rendering and varifocal feature. But it wouldn't make a great deal of business sense because you'd be looking at it costing well over a grand to buy. It would end up selling worse than the Valve Index.
They're doing the sensible thing (much to our Enthusiast disappointment!) and are getting more headsets in homes by releasing the VERY affordable Rift S and Quest as well as the Oculus Go (but I think they might not release another Go headset).
Why is it sensible? A few reasons. Firstly because they can break even on Quest sales and make a profit on Rift S sales. Secondly they can bring in NEW people into the Oculus ecosystem instead of getting just us enthusiasts to buy a new headset. These new people are VERY important because when Oculus release the Rift 2 in two years time these non-enthusiasts (mostly mainstream gamers) will most likely upgrade to the Rift 2 when it releases with new technology. And finally so that they can reduce the production cost of that new technology. Releasing the Rift 2 in 2022 instead of 2019 will considerably reduce the production cost, they've already reduced costs as mentioned at OC6 so by the time 2022 comes along they'll be able to sell the thing for £399, or at the most £499.
Everything that Oculus does is for the good of VR, including not releasing a headset too early.
You should also expect a Quest S in a couple of years too, a cheaper headset (£299) with higher resolution, an LCD display(s) and certainly an upgraded Snapdragon. This'll end up being released around the same time that the Rift 2 headset with all its bells and whistles is released, and those very same bells and whistles will appear in the Quest 2 in 2025. Basically when the Rift line is having a Tock the Quest line will have a Tick and vice versa.
01-04-2020 05:22 PM
01-04-2020 05:34 PM
01-04-2020 05:42 PM
inovator said:
snowdog said:
kojack said:
Next gen would be cool, I just wish Oculus did better with THIS gen and partnered with HP instead of Lenovo to make a Rift Reverb.
They COULD have released the Half Dome prototype as the Rift 2 instead of the Rift S with eye tracking, foveated rendering and varifocal feature. But it wouldn't make a great deal of business sense because you'd be looking at it costing well over a grand to buy. It would end up selling worse than the Valve Index.
They're doing the sensible thing (much to our Enthusiast disappointment!) and are getting more headsets in homes by releasing the VERY affordable Rift S and Quest as well as the Oculus Go (but I think they might not release another Go headset).
Why is it sensible? A few reasons. Firstly because they can break even on Quest sales and make a profit on Rift S sales. Secondly they can bring in NEW people into the Oculus ecosystem instead of getting just us enthusiasts to buy a new headset. These new people are VERY important because when Oculus release the Rift 2 in two years time these non-enthusiasts (mostly mainstream gamers) will most likely upgrade to the Rift 2 when it releases with new technology. And finally so that they can reduce the production cost of that new technology. Releasing the Rift 2 in 2022 instead of 2019 will considerably reduce the production cost, they've already reduced costs as mentioned at OC6 so by the time 2022 comes along they'll be able to sell the thing for £399, or at the most £499.
Everything that Oculus does is for the good of VR, including not releasing a headset too early.
You should also expect a Quest S in a couple of years too, a cheaper headset (£299) with higher resolution, an LCD display(s) and certainly an upgraded Snapdragon. This'll end up being released around the same time that the Rift 2 headset with all its bells and whistles is released, and those very same bells and whistles will appear in the Quest 2 in 2025. Basically when the Rift line is having a Tock the Quest line will have a Tick and vice versa.
I couldnt have said it better and totally agree many of your points. Facebook is catering the upcoming mainstream market. Many pissed off members didn't before and even now dont get it. The index is great for a higher end experience for those who can afford it. The rift s was looked at as a slight upgrade but to me the inside out tracking was major in pushing vr forward to the mainstream. I thought originally oculus was going to drop pcvr and just focus on standalone. I was dead wrong. I didn't see the quest link coming. Boy was I blindsided. I will surprised if the quest 2 isnt also the rift 2.